WindsorHawk
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And we're 39...RPI is useless IMO but the Selection Committee loves it.
Miller: Can Iowa Still Win the Big Ten?
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And we're 39...RPI is useless IMO but the Selection Committee loves it.
Biggusblockus
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Not being negative, I love this team, but Iowa does not have the DNA necessary to win a conference like the B1G.
DNA being defined as:
1) Floor leadership. Should be Marble, he is a very good player, but he is not a floor general
2) Dominating inside game. Hawks can platoon a bunch a rangy quick guys, but there is no dominating presence.
3) Clutch scorer. As evidenced by the smothering defense MSU showed - Iowa cannot get separation and there is no one CLUTCH guy.
DNA being defined as:
1) Floor leadership. Should be Marble, he is a very good player, but he is not a floor general
2) Dominating inside game. Hawks can platoon a bunch a rangy quick guys, but there is no dominating presence.
3) Clutch scorer. As evidenced by the smothering defense MSU showed - Iowa cannot get separation and there is no one CLUTCH guy.
glidinghawk
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No.
By the way, does anyone have a link or links to pre-season predictions from hoops experts (or others that know the conference and the game) who picked Iowa to win the Big Ten Conference?
You could do that for every sport every year but it's the way the season as played out.
The point is with an MSU team missing two of their best players, an OSU team in a free fall, a Wisconsin team that is clearly very beatable, and a Michigan team missing one of their best players Iowa had a very real shot at the title.
After losing at home to MSU those chances went way down.
It wasn't that people were picking Iowa to win the BT before the season started but what has played out with other teams picked to win or finish in front of Iowa.
BigD
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I picked the hawks to finish third in the conference and we are still on track to do that. Most picked them to finish fourth or lower. That Ohio State win seemed to change expectations quite a bit and and almost unrealistiy. Third is fine with me as long as we have grown better as the Big Ten Tournament approaches. I like our chances of making it to the championship game. I also expect a good showing in the NCAA tournament. Hopefully Woody will pick his game up a notch and play a significant role in that effort. The seniors also need to start leading, playing, and dominating like they are well seasoned veterans. To me they were the most dissappointing part of the loss against Michigan State. They should be calling for the ball and taking it to the hoop. Let's hope that changes from here on out.
bcl20
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Well, don't lie to yourself later and say we have zero quality wins. That's on you for not presenting that, not me for not reading it.
And if you want to scream from the mountain tops that Iowa beat a totally awesome Xavier team, that's fine by me.
WindsorHawk
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Hoffa...I'm still looking for an answer to this. I don't expect one because you just want to complain constantly about everything and tell everyone else they're wrong. I have quoted this in case it was just an oversight.
Sorry I missed this before.
It all depends on where teams end up. I'm guessing a win vs. a Baylor or an Ohio State earlier in the year doesn't look so great now or at the end of the year if they continue to tank. That's the problem. Aside from Michigan, MSU, Wisc and probably Minnesota it's tough to define who would be a quality win at this point as there is a lot of season left.
Let's say Ohio State loses 3 of their next 4 games (which is very possible as their schedule is @Wisc, @Iowa, Purdue and Michigan) they would have lost 8 of their last 10 games. Sorry but that isn't a quality win in my book and I'm guessing if it does happen they will be close or pretty damn close to being out of the RPI top 50.
That's the problem you can't define a quality win until the end of the season. All I was trying to point out is if we go on a slide and lose Saturday, drop another at home, lose again to Mich and MSU, and lose a couple on the road a team that a week or two ago was a lock to make the NCAA tourney could find themselves right back on the bubble.
And if that does happen (which I don't think it will) Iowa won't have a great a resume that everyone somehow thinks they have as of right now.
And sorry that you don't agree with my posts but take off your Black and Gold glasses and look at Iowa's schedule and tell me what games we have won that as of right now will be impressive to the selection committee?
Xavier? Probably. Minnesota? I don't think they are in that column yet Ohio State? Doubtful if they continue to lose to the bottom of the Big Ten.
That's the problem aside from MSU, Mich, and probably Wisconsin I don't think you can say as of right now a win vs. any team in the BT is a quality win or one that would look good come selection Sunday.
HawkPrdatr40
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No!! Iowa will finish 4th or 5th IMO with how Fran currently rotates. Shrink the rotations and play those that have impact (Gabe) Iowa finishes 2nd or 3rd.
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HawkPrdatr40
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Gophs or OSU. Gophs schedule much more favorable than OSU. Next 2 games for OSU will tell there story.
You mean the OSU team who just lost at home to Penn St? LOL
WindsorHawk
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Okay, we'll put the over/under at 4th. If they finish 4th it is a push. If they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd I win the bet. If they finish worse than 4th you win the bet. Loser can't post on the basketball forum until 1/1/15? That's pretty harsh but I'm that confident. I'll bet whatever.
WindsorHawk
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I've deleted everything that wasn't relevant to the question I asked. The 2nd part about defining a quality win is kind of what I expected. You (Hoffa) get to change the definition at your discretion. It doesn't matter what anyone in the media says. It doesn't matter what any ranking system says. It doesn't matter what any other poster says. Only Hoffa can label a win as "quality" AND you reserve the right to change your mind at any time of our choosing. A quality win can actually go away...
The 1st paragraph is you committing yet not committing to your definition of a quality win. According to this loose definition our schedule limits us to 8 "quality" win opportunities out of 31 games. The other 23 games are just window dressing...don't matter in your eyes.
We are currently 1-3 in our "quality" games. I can see 4-4 as being feasible. I think .500 against "quality" opponents is very good and merits an NCAA berth and pretty good seed. I will be interested to see how the Hawks do this year on the "Hoffa" scale.
You must have forgot this part of your post brah-
Edit - If it's easier just tell me which opponents remaining on our schedule are quality opponents and out of the 10 games left which games you would call a quality win if we do win?
So, I guess answering your actual question isn't good enough for you?
I will make it really easy for you- Games left on our schedule
Quality Win now and will be at the end of the year-
@MSU
Michigan
Most likely will be a quality win at the end of the year-
Wisc
@Minny
50/50 shot at being a quality win at the end of the year-
Ohio State
Games that have no shot at being considered a quality win at the end of the year-
@Illinois
@PSU
@Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Also regardless of what Northwestern does the rest of the year those aren't quality wins.
