Maybe We Do Have Things to Talk About

[Northside Hawk]

What are you looking at, Butthead?

He may have thrown high sticking in there for good measure. I saw it live on TV, I'd have to see it again.

Ironically, a popular nickname for the NHL commissioner, and not a flattering one, is Beavis Bettman.
Not sure if he ever had a friend like Stuart to pick on.

 

[uihawk82]

Why wouldnt some hits be criminal battery?

Talking about the grossly flagerant ones.

Players would sign waivers saying they agree not to press charges. Smoking causes a few hundred thousand deaths per year in lung cancer, heart attacks and heart ailments, and stroke. Yet we let people buy cigs.

C'mon lets not get all wacked out about CTE from adults playing football and soccer.

Like I said youngsters playing tackle football is another thing and may go by the wayside.

 

[HawkGold]

Players would sign waivers saying they agree not to press charges. Smoking causes a few hundred thousand deaths per year in lung cancer, heart attacks and heart ailments, and stroke. Yet we let people buy cigs.



C'mon lets not get all wacked out about CTE from adults playing football and soccer.

Like I said youngsters playing tackle football is another thing and may go by the wayside.

Crines arent about victims pressing charges. It is about state and local govts.

 

[NCHawker]

Interesting articles the past day about this.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/30/health/youth-football-cte-study/index.html

 

[HawkGold]

Thats the best u can do?

 

[Robowe]

Case in point. Tom Wilson of the Washington Capitals left his feet, launched himself at a Pittsburgh Penguins player who suffered a broken jaw and concussion.

On a hockey rink Wilson received three games. On the street he could get the slammer.

And, he didn't even get a penalty during the game ...

 

[Northside Hawk]

And, he didn't even get a penalty during the game ...

Yeah, back to back five minute majors, where you serve shorthanded through the duration regardless of how many shorthanded goals you give up, may have sent a message.

Better yet, what if his stick, in the process of swinging through his own team's bench, had caused serious eye or dental damage?

 

[Fryowa]

And, he didn't even get a penalty during the game ...

That’s where I have a huge problem with how things like that are handled. If someone blindsides me like that where it’s obvious that he’s trying to injure you, that should be assault. Same with Alomar spitting in an ump’s face.

And if you pushed it far enough you’d probably win. You don’t sign away your human rights when you sign a sports contract. I’d love to walk up to Greg Stephen and skull him with a hockey stick, but if I did I’d go to prison for life. Do it on a hockey rink and you get suspended from work for three days.

 

[Robowe]

That’s where I have a huge problem with how things like that are handled. If someone blindsides me like that where it’s obvious that he’s trying to injure you, that should be assault. Same with Alomar spitting in an ump’s face.

And if you pushed it far enough you’d probably win. You don’t sign away your human rights when you sign a sports contract. I’d love to walk up to Greg Stephen and skull him with a hockey stick, but if I did I’d go to prison for life. Do it on a hockey rink and you get suspended from work for three days.

Agreed. What about this hit by Gronk? One game suspension for Gronk.

 

[Fryowa]

Players would sign waivers saying they agree not to press charges. Smoking causes a few hundred thousand deaths per year in lung cancer, heart attacks and heart ailments, and stroke. Yet we let people buy cigs.

C'mon lets not get all wacked out about CTE from adults playing football and soccer.

Like I said youngsters playing tackle football is another thing and may go by the wayside.

My kid is 11 and will play his 4th year of tackle this fall. He’s not a standout player, and I’ve been involved in sports and coaching long enough to know that he will probably play junior high and high school ball and that’s it, no college. He loves it and his friends all play, so I let him.

Our league practices twice a week for 50 minutes. One day is helmets only but no contact, and one day is pads and contact, but only for 30 minutes of it. Then they have 6 games on Saturdays.

I played football in junior high and high school, and contrary to what most of you think I don’t suffer from anything cognitively. So did 40 other people I went to high school with and all of the ones I talk to are still doing just fine. While I think there is justification for parents wanting their kids not to play, I do feel that it’s more prevalent in people who spend years in high speed full contact ball, and I also think some people are more susceptible than others which is why Troy Aikman can broadcast a game and Jim McMahon is probably going to be in a nursing home in 5 years.

Bottom line is, when I see the tiny amount of low speed contact that kid’s have in a league that does a good job of limiting contact, I think to myself that I smacked my head plenty of times when I was a preteen doing stupid normal boy stuff. Way more than my son ever has because we protect our kids more these days. I do let him play and he knows that if he ever has a concussion we are stepping away and we’ll talk once he gets to HS.

In my mind youth football by itself isn’t the problem, it’s years of repeated hits and continuing after the first concussion adding up. Are certain kids more susceptible than others? Sure. But that’s the same for anything in life.

 

[Fryowa]

Players would sign waivers saying they agree not to press charges.

Crines arent about victims pressing charges. It is about state and local govts.

That and you can't enforce a contract signing away your human rights. It's been decided in court over and over and isn't debatable. That's why I said if you pushed it hard enough you could send someone to jail for charging the mound or slashing in hockey.

 

[Robowe]

That and you can't enforce a contract signing away your human rights. It's been decided in court over and over and isn't debatable. That's why I said if you pushed it hard enough you could send someone to jail for charging the mound or slashing in hockey.

Yep, this has happened before. in 2007, Jose Offerman (former big leaguer) charged the mound with a bat and was charged with assault. He also was sued civilly. A pretty extreme case, but still ...

https://deadspin.com/jose-offermans-bat-assault-lawsuit-heads-to-trial-1604655441

 

[uihawk82]

Crines arent about victims pressing charges. It is about state and local govts.

What?????????

 

[HawkGold]

What?????????

Sorry you don't know what you are talking about. Must be stressful.

 

[HawkGold]

My kid is 11 and will play his 4th year of tackle this fall. He’s not a standout player, and I’ve been involved in sports and coaching long enough to know that he will probably play junior high and high school ball and that’s it, no college. He loves it and his friends all play, so I let him.

Our league practices twice a week for 50 minutes. One day is helmets only but no contact, and one day is pads and contact, but only for 30 minutes of it. Then they have 6 games on Saturdays.

I played football in junior high and high school, and contrary to what most of you think I don’t suffer from anything cognitively. So did 40 other people I went to high school with and all of the ones I talk to are still doing just fine. While I think there is justification for parents wanting their kids not to play, I do feel that it’s more prevalent in people who spend years in high speed full contact ball, and I also think some people are more susceptible than others which is why Troy Aikman can broadcast a game and Jim McMahon is probably going to be in a nursing home in 5 years.

Bottom line is, when I see the tiny amount of low speed contact that kid’s have in a league that does a good job of limiting contact, I think to myself that I smacked my head plenty of times when I was a preteen doing stupid normal boy stuff. Way more than my son ever has because we protect our kids more these days. I do let him play and he knows that if he ever has a concussion we are stepping away and we’ll talk once he gets to HS.

In my mind youth football by itself isn’t the problem, it’s years of repeated hits and continuing after the first concussion adding up. Are certain kids more susceptible than others? Sure. But that’s the same for anything in life.[

If he plays it isn't a matter of if he will get a concussion. It is when and how many.

 

[uihawk82]

Sorry you don't know what you are talking about. Must be stressful.

So many accusations to the authorities with evidence are later not taken to indictments etc because the victim does not press charges. What are you talking about with the Govt being able to just willy nilly go round people up.

 

[uihawk82]

That’s where I have a huge problem with how things like that are handled. If someone blindsides me like that where it’s obvious that he’s trying to injure you, that should be assault. Same with Alomar spitting in an ump’s face.

And if you pushed it far enough you’d probably win. You don’t sign away your human rights when you sign a sports contract. I’d love to walk up to Greg Stephen and skull him with a hockey stick, but if I did I’d go to prison for life. Do it on a hockey rink and you get suspended from work for three days.

In the 1960's and 1970's hockey players were indicted on criminal assault charges because spearing and stick swinging to the head got to be so bad. Hockey had let it go so long but things change and after a few years, some guys going to jail or being convicted, and losing their careers, then it slowed way down in number of occurrences.

Look up the ted green wayne maki stick fight. Green got the worst of it but he was a noted stick fighter.

 

[Adam]

If he plays it isn't a matter of if he will get a concussion. It is when and how many.

That's not true. Concussions are not a guarantee in football. They are the byproduct of poor fundamentals. Played 8 years of football and never had a single one. I have had quite a few from high school fist fights though. I sure wish we could outlaw those.

 

[Fryowa]

If he plays it isn't a matter of if he will get a concussion. It is when and how many.

I of all people appreciate humorous hyperbole, but you’re wrong. I never had a concussion and most of my high school teammates did not.

Speaking in absolutes isn’t a good way to get people to believe you. You seem educated; you should know that.

 

[Fryowa]

That's not true. Concussions are not a guarantee in football. They are the byproduct of poor fundamentals. Played 8 years of football and never had a single one. I have had quite a few from high school fist fights though. I sure wish we could outlaw those.

I cringe every time I see two people duking it out (which, frequent when I was younger, is much less often now) because it isn’t the shots to the chin or cheek bones, or even knockouts...it’s the head hitting the concrete afterwards.

Happened to a guy in Sioux City a few years back. I was down on 4th St that night and saw it from a distance. Some guy from Ida Grove (I think) was downtown with his drunk loudmouth wife. She was white girl wasted and lipping off to anyone who even looked in her direction. The puncher (random guy walking down the street) told her to zip it, the punch receiver (husband) started a fight, got popped, and fell straight back. Caught the curb at the base of his head and never woke up. The guy was acquitted.