Major CBB changes on the way, can FB be far behind?

HawkeyeMike23 said:
A free education for one, also how about the numerous connections with boosters who can help them find employment after their playing days are over? Also, the fact that these guys played big time college sports is something that looks very good on a resume and is just as if not more impressive than almost any internship.

NCAA athletes can play pro baseball because they are being paid for their skill in baseball, they aren't making money based on their notoriety from playing college football. It's why Tom Zibikowski can win prize money in boxing but he can't promote a fight. Jeremy Bloom can win money from winning skiing but he can't make money from endorsements.
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The free education doesn't count towards your argument, as I already acknowledged that they GET a free education. I just don't think they get the complete package in that education that normal students do.

Drew Tate wasn't being paid for his notoriety, he won a hole-in-one contest

Also, Jeremy Bloom was up a creek without a paddle. He can keep his winnings, but the training for skiing can cost upwards of $100,000 a year. Without training, he doesn't win. The only way to pay for the training was through endorsements, which he couldn't accept. That case in particular is one where the NCAA dropped the ball.
 
tm3308 said:
The free education doesn't count towards your argument, as I already acknowledged that they GET a free education. I just don't think they get the complete package in that education that normal students do.

Drew Tate wasn't being paid for his notoriety, he won a hole-in-one contest

Also, Jeremy Bloom was up a creek without a paddle. He can keep his winnings, but the training for skiing can cost upwards of $100,000 a year. Without training, he doesn't win. The only way to pay for the training was through endorsements, which he couldn't accept. That case in particular is one where the NCAA dropped the ball.
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Why? Once again that would have led to gigiantic loopholes in the NCAA rules, which tons of schools would have exploited to pay players. You look at specific examples and completely fail to see the big picture.

Also what all do you include in the "complete package in education" that most students get?
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Why? Once again that would have led to gigiantic loopholes in the NCAA rules, which tons of schools would have exploited to pay players. You look at specific examples and completely fail to see the big picture.

Also what all do you include in the "complete package in education" that most students get?
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They don't get to be fans, because they're busy on the field. Also, they can't win holes-in-one contests. It's a damn shame, really. Packages.
 
HawkeyeMike23 said:
Why? Once again that would have led to gigiantic loopholes in the NCAA rules, which tons of schools would have exploited to pay players. You look at specific examples and completely fail to see the big picture.

Also what all do you include in the "complete package in education" that most students get?
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Again, just because they can't change it doesn't make it fair. It's an imperfect system, and it always will be.

By "complete package", I'm talking about the things like Autry's experience. Opportunities provided from OUTSIDE the university. Other students are afforded such opportunities, no questions asked. Athletes can't say that, and those experiences can prove to be EXTREMELY beneficial, far more educational than any class.
 
So they can't do an internship, or is this mostly about bad movie roles and hole-in-one contests? Both of which are hugely important to academic success, I realize.
 
DwayneTwill said:
So they can't do an internship, or is this mostly about bad movie roles and hole-in-one contests? Both of which are hugely important to academic success, I realize.
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A bad movie role for an acting/drama major. I'd guess that landing a part in a film would be a pretty beneficial experience for someone who's wanting to become an actor.

And I can't imagine that they have a whole lot of time for internships, either, given the year-round commitment required for their sport.
 
tm3308 said:
A bad movie role for an acting/drama major. I'd guess that landing a part in a film would be a pretty beneficial experience for someone who's wanting to become an actor.

And I can't imagine that they have a whole lot of time for internships, either, given the year-round commitment required for their sport.
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That might be true but at some point they, like every other drama/acting major, would realize that their degree is basically worthless and they will never make money with it. At this time the football player can reach out to any one of the boosters they met during their time at school and have a good paying job a couple of phone calls later. The regular student will have plenty of time to reflect on the glory of their bad movie role while working at Target for $9 hour.
 
tm3308 said:
A bad movie role for an acting/drama major. I'd guess that landing a part in a film would be a pretty beneficial experience for someone who's wanting to become an actor.

And I can't imagine that they have a whole lot of time for internships, either, given the year-round commitment required for their sport.
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So they don't want internships anyway because of the time committment. So it's really about one Northwestern player's movie role and a finkbine hole-in-one contest.
 
DwayneTwill said:
So they don't want internships anyway because of the time committment. So it's really about one Northwestern player's movie role and a finkbine hole-in-one contest.
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Who said they wouldn't want one? The time commitment to their sport makes it next to impossible to get internships. But the sport is paying for their education.

That's been my main point all along. I think the student that have to pay their way end up getting more from their education than do the athletes who get a full ride.
 
So are they able to get internships or not? You haven't really shown many academic things that normal students get that athletes dont. I think the NCAA eventually allowed Autry to do the movie, so I guess we're left with hole-in-one contests.
 
DwayneTwill said:
So are they able to get internships or not? You haven't really shown many academic things that normal students get that athletes dont. I think the NCAA eventually allowed Autry to do the movie, so I guess we're left with hole-in-one contests.
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Autry had to climb a mountain of red tape just to get like a 5-minute spot. No way he lands a big role, even in a low-budget film, no matter how good of an actor he may be. That's what gets me about guys like Wilson playing baseball and getting paid for it. Sure, he's being paid based on his ability to play baseball. But who says a guy like Autry isn't being paid based on his ability to act?

I'm sure athletes are ALLOWED to take internships, but that really seems like telling a paralyzed guy that he's ALLOWED to run a 10k. Permission to do something and being able to actually take advantage of that privilege are two different things. Their schedules just don't make it a real option, particularly for football and basketball players.
 
DwayneTwill said:
So what important academic things are normal students allowed to do that athletes aren't?
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Again, athletes have a very difficult time getting internships because there simply isn't time for them to do so. Many have to take summer classes, on top of offseason workouts. It's not against the rules for them to take an internship. But that doesn't mean that they can actually take advantage of one.
 
I wasn't able to study abroad or take awesone unpaid internships when I was in school because I had to work to pay for my classes because I wasn't getting my tuition and room and board paid for. It's unfair.
 
DwayneTwill said:
I wasn't able to study abroad or take awesone unpaid internships when I was in school because I had to work to pay for my classes because I wasn't getting my tuition and room and board paid for. It's unfair.
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Yet you could take paid internships. Athletes don't get to. They get tuition, room and board paid for. That's pretty much it, and they don't have time for internships, which are very important.
 
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