Major CBB changes on the way, can FB be far behind?
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Hawkfromnorwalk
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NCAA loves to talk a big game, but if the money continues to take precedence, the NCAA will become obsolete.
aaronzuriel
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And in this most recent get together... in this document of 400 plus pages... have the NCAA addressed the rights of the "student-athlete"...
or the the "student-artist" or the "student-musician" or the "student-chemist" ???
The NCAA is now over 100 years old. If the NCAA was my grandfather and we needed to care for him as he passed away.. in a peaceful way... and as he gave it up.. we would.
In the mean time the slave-holding NCAA, BCS, Big Ten may want to consider again this "amateur model." A model that makes millions and millions of dollars for the coaches and the AD's and the assistants and the NCAA and the Bowl game officials and the media, and the athletic departments, and the web-sites at the expense of.... the "amateur student-athletes"
Hey... we all love the Hawkeyes and what it is now... at the same time... do you think some change need to happen?
or the the "student-artist" or the "student-musician" or the "student-chemist" ???
The NCAA is now over 100 years old. If the NCAA was my grandfather and we needed to care for him as he passed away.. in a peaceful way... and as he gave it up.. we would.
In the mean time the slave-holding NCAA, BCS, Big Ten may want to consider again this "amateur model." A model that makes millions and millions of dollars for the coaches and the AD's and the assistants and the NCAA and the Bowl game officials and the media, and the athletic departments, and the web-sites at the expense of.... the "amateur student-athletes"
Hey... we all love the Hawkeyes and what it is now... at the same time... do you think some change need to happen?
DwayneTwill
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HawkeyeMike23
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No one has to go to college. The student athletes can go work a regular job anytime they want, they don't have to play football.
Stiles
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I think people like you are funny. Who gets paid? How many institutions could really afford it? What sports? And the biggest one of all...have you ever heard of Title IX? Every female athlete would have to be paid equally to the male basketball and football players. Like it or not, it is the reality.
HawkeyeMike23
Banned
I agree. If we do pay players should we charge players who participate in sports which lose money? Also, the number of players who actually have a tangible impact on the financial success of a university's athletic budget is about .01% of all athletes. For every Reggie Bush and Cam Newton there's about 10,000 other players who could be replaced by any given walkon and not have any noticeable effect on a school's financial success.
NewMexHawk
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That brings up pay again. What do you call a $100,000 to $150,000 or more free education, there for the taking and a private place to study with private tutors. If the players do not take advantage THAT is their problem.
They are HARDLY being mistreated with a free college education there for the taking. A $150,000 education is like being paid $30,000 a year by the University AND they get to play football/bb with ALL the benefits that come with those positions. I hardly feel bad for these guys because the University doesn't dole out spending money so they can go to bars and have a better time. Do the positions lots of regulations about what they can and can't do? You bet, what better way can they prepare for life but to follow those regulations? They KNOW the regulations before they sign a letter of intent...
Regardless of whether football/bb earn millions for the schools, these young men are getting the opportunity of a lifetime. Plus, if a school starts paying football players they will have to pay all the lesser teams players.
I understand that many of the players make a choice to not take college seriously, that THEY will be going to the NFL or NBA. THAT is a choice they are making.
When I work for a company, and the company is making a great deal of money, do I have the right to demand that I get more of the pie? The company offered me a job with specific benefits (or no benefits) and a set wage and I accepted. Does that mean that I should complain that I don't get my "fair" share because they are making a lot of money off me? If I don't like what the company is doing, I can ALWAYS resign and go find another job.
College football and basketball players have the same option.
They are HARDLY being mistreated with a free college education there for the taking. A $150,000 education is like being paid $30,000 a year by the University AND they get to play football/bb with ALL the benefits that come with those positions. I hardly feel bad for these guys because the University doesn't dole out spending money so they can go to bars and have a better time. Do the positions lots of regulations about what they can and can't do? You bet, what better way can they prepare for life but to follow those regulations? They KNOW the regulations before they sign a letter of intent...
Regardless of whether football/bb earn millions for the schools, these young men are getting the opportunity of a lifetime. Plus, if a school starts paying football players they will have to pay all the lesser teams players.
I understand that many of the players make a choice to not take college seriously, that THEY will be going to the NFL or NBA. THAT is a choice they are making.
When I work for a company, and the company is making a great deal of money, do I have the right to demand that I get more of the pie? The company offered me a job with specific benefits (or no benefits) and a set wage and I accepted. Does that mean that I should complain that I don't get my "fair" share because they are making a lot of money off me? If I don't like what the company is doing, I can ALWAYS resign and go find another job.
College football and basketball players have the same option.
rodg12
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Who pays $150,000 for a 4 (or even 5) year education from Iowa? Almost no one. 40% of the graduates leave the college debt-free. 90% of the students receive some sort of financial aid. When you factor in the stress on the body these individuals endure along with the long practice hours and time commitment, it's not nearly as good a deal as some of you make it out to be.
DwayneTwill
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These poor babies should quit their teams and just be regular students if it's so bad. I doubt many will be doing that.
tm3308
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The thing that I find to be extremely unfair is that these players are severely limited in what they can do outside of school and football/basketball/etc. They don't have the same kind of opportunities as normal students do, and I'm not talking about going downtown and getting wasted.
I realize that it would next to impossible to regulate, but consider Darnell Autry: he had to climb a mountain of red tape to get a VERY small cameo role in a low-budget film (he was a drama/acting major). Any normal student could land the lead role in the next James Bond film if they were good enough. But a college athlete looking at going into acting? No way.
Their time is constrained, making it much tougher to find time to get a job and make their own money.
And then there are deals like Drew Tate's from a few years ago. Remember when he won a hole-in-one contest at Finkbine? He couldn't accept the prize money. If *I* had won that contest, would I have to turn that money down? Nope.
I've often wondered what would happen if a college athlete won the lottery? Would they have to turn it down?
I realize that the NCAA would have a hopeless time trying to regulate things like this, and therefore these things will always be violations. But that doesn't make it fair, either.
These players get a great gift in a free college education. But let's not pretend that typical students don't have quite a few advantages on athletes, too.
I realize that it would next to impossible to regulate, but consider Darnell Autry: he had to climb a mountain of red tape to get a VERY small cameo role in a low-budget film (he was a drama/acting major). Any normal student could land the lead role in the next James Bond film if they were good enough. But a college athlete looking at going into acting? No way.
Their time is constrained, making it much tougher to find time to get a job and make their own money.
And then there are deals like Drew Tate's from a few years ago. Remember when he won a hole-in-one contest at Finkbine? He couldn't accept the prize money. If *I* had won that contest, would I have to turn that money down? Nope.
I've often wondered what would happen if a college athlete won the lottery? Would they have to turn it down?
I realize that the NCAA would have a hopeless time trying to regulate things like this, and therefore these things will always be violations. But that doesn't make it fair, either.
These players get a great gift in a free college education. But let's not pretend that typical students don't have quite a few advantages on athletes, too.
HawkeyeMike23
Banned
Well that's good. Otherwise Phil Knight could start a production studio and release a series of films which just happen to star nothing but Oregon football players. And now Oregon would have a legal way to pay all of their players tens of thousands of dollars.
tm3308
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Like I said, I know it can't happen, for this very reason. But that doesn't make it fair.
DwayneTwill
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It is fair. They don't have to sign with a school. It's right there in the rules.
tm3308
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It's not fair if they aren't allowed the same opportunities as a normal student. A person's education can easily go beyond what's included in tuition costs. And athletes have a very difficult time pursuing those other avenues.
An athlete's education is free, but they don't get the full package.
DwayneTwill
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They're also given benefits that aren't given to normal students. That's the tradeoff. Most aren't complaining, and normal people don't feel too sorry for them.
HawkeyeMike23
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How is it not fair? They are given countless perks that regular students are not. They get more than the full package.
tm3308
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As I said, athletes are not afforded the same kind of "on the job" learning experiences that can prove to be far more educational than any course offered at a university. Outside of free tutors, what academic benefits do athletes receive that other students don't? Getting free gear and better food are great perks, but the hardly add to the value of their education.
On a side note, the thing that's always bugged me more than any other is this: why does the NCAA find that it is less objectionable to allow a Russell Wilson to play professional baseball in the summer (which he is paid for), but then allow him to play college football in the fall? How much different is that (really) from accepting benefits?
HawkeyeMike23
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A free education for one, also how about the numerous connections with boosters who can help them find employment after their playing days are over? Also, the fact that these guys played big time college sports is something that looks very good on a resume and is just as if not more impressive than almost any internship.
NCAA athletes can play pro baseball because they are being paid for their skill in baseball, they aren't making money based on their notoriety from playing college football. It's why Tom Zibikowski can win prize money in boxing but he can't promote a fight. Jeremy Bloom can win money from winning skiing but he can't make money from endorsements.
