Lose Hill and pick up????

Red, I think you are missing his original point, you are telling everyone in every post that recruiting is getting better, that Ferentz is recruiting on a higher level now. But then you brought up Bob Sanders being a 2* recruit and nobody originally wanted him.

He wanted to know why if you keep saying recruiting is getting better and KF isn't just getting 2* guys, why are you bringing up old 2* recruits who had great careers that no one wanted during recruiting.

It comes off as flip-flopping.
its real simple, getting 1 so called diamond in the rough is easy but to take as scoop full of coal and getting a scoop of Diamonds is not going to happen,
but bringing up the 2*'s that do succeedjust shows what this staff can do with what they get.

now they are getting a higher level of recruits that has a better chance of producing more diamonds
this is not flip flopping. its all about how the recruiting is improving
before Iowa got 0-2 4* recruits the last 3 Iowa landed 4-5 4* recruits per year.
before Iowa got 12-14 2* recruits per year, now the last 3 years Iowa has landed just 5 2* recruits per year. then they fill the class with 3* recruits
what's so hard to understand about that?
with their ability to develope 2* recruits.
just think about what they can do with more 4* recruits and 3* recruits.
this has nothing to do with flip flopping,
 
I agree with your first paragraph, that makes a lot of sense. However I believe that other schools as I mentioned in my previous post don't have to "sell" their program like Iowa does. If they were to win consistently 8+ wins very season then I believe that will change but doesn't look like that is going to happen.

As for the second paragrahp, I think that this year isn't quite as good for 4* talent compared to the past two years but they also don't have too many 2* guys either. Although stars only matter when it comes to what they do on the field. Iowa has to get better top end talent and get them to succeed on the field. By that they need to coach them and motivate them. It just seems that the 3* - 4* kids Iowa does get a lot of them don't pan out or excel enough to make a huge difference on the field. Other schools are starting to get more out of their kids, people used to say that about Iowa, not so true anymore![/QUOTE]
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* That's a given but that's not where we're at recently or in the last 3 years. You asked what we could do different. I think we can improve recruiting which more likely allows some of those 8+ win seasons.

* A given as well but stars have been the best overall indicator that's been developed. Iowa has less of a chance for gaining top drawer talent than many others for another reason. Iowa is near the bottom in the BIG as it relates to offers extended to the ESPN's Top 300 players. We don't even bother to offer to much degree to these players according to the ESPN stats. That's a mindset problem that starts with Ferentz. It certainly lessens our chances of getting some of that top end talent you refer to.

* Perhaps, but I believe differences in talent are a better explanation. We lack speed in many positions on both sides of the ball. I see it in most games. You recruit speed you don't grow it or build it.
 
Iowa offered 45 kids in the 2012 top 300
Iowa offered 50 of the ESPN top 300
Iowa has offered to date 20 of ESPN WL out of 29 kids offered. just how many kids is Iowa to offer to make you happy?
 
Iowa offered 45 kids in the 2012 top 300
Iowa offered 50 of the ESPN top 300
Iowa has offered to date 20 of ESPN WL out of 29 kids offered. just how many kids is Iowa to offer to make you happy?

This last sentence, did you have a stroke while writing it? You write the most incoherent bull$h1t I have ever seen
 
This last sentence, did you have a stroke while writing it? You write the most incoherent bull$h1t I have ever seen
you have terrible reading problem ir just a personal hatred of me and my post,
what can't you understand about my last sentence.
"IOWA HAS OFFERED TO DATE 20 OF ESPN WL OUT OF 29 OFFERED"
JUST HOW MANY KIDS IS IOWA TO OFFER TO MAKE YOU HAPPY,
pretty straight and to the point response
that figures out to be 68.965% of all offered being in the ESPN WL.
offerring and getting them to commit are 2 different things.
offerring 16-17% of those in the top 300 is a pretty good %,
 
you have terrible reading problem ir just a personal hatred of me and my post,
what can't you understand about my last sentence.
"IOWA HAS OFFERED TO DATE 20 OF ESPN WL OUT OF 29 OFFERED"
JUST HOW MANY KIDS IS IOWA TO OFFER TO MAKE YOU HAPPY,
pretty straight and to the point response
that figures out to be 68.965% of all offered being in the ESPN WL.
offerring and getting them to commit are 2 different things.
offerring 16-17% of those in the top 300 is a pretty good %,


Who gives a damn how many Iowa offered? If they dont come here it makes no difference if Iowa offered.

Thats like saying Iowa threw the ball 50 times in a game and they only completed 4. Well at least they tried, right herpy derpy herby?
 
Who gives a damn how many Iowa offered? If they dont come here it makes no difference if Iowa offered.

Thats like saying Iowa threw the ball 50 times in a game and they only completed 4. Well at least they tried, right herpy derpy herby?

In all due respect Sec, that was the point of another poster that Iowa isn't offering many high-end/high-level recruits. Red was just posting the numbers to prove that Iowa as in fact offering a higher percentage so your argument should be pointed at him, not Red.
 
In all due respect Sec, that was the point of another poster that Iowa isn't offering many high-end/high-level recruits. Red was just posting the numbers to prove that Iowa as in fact offering a higher percentage so your argument should be pointed at him, not Red.

All due respect, I dont care. This isnt the first time that he has rambled about how many "highly rated" kids Iowa offers.

In one thread he is saying stars dont matter and in another he is bragging about how many highly ranked kids Iowa has offered.
 
so what are you saying?
people complain about not recruiting better talent, the only way people can judge is to use the *'s.
in the past Iowa got alot out of the lower rated kids,
whats wrong with comparing that.
comparing the success with lesser recruits, just shows the potential of future success with better recruits
 
All due respect, I dont care. This isnt the first time that he has rambled about how many "highly rated" kids Iowa offers.

In one thread he is saying stars dont matter and in another he is bragging about how many highly ranked kids Iowa has offered.

I know which thread you are referring too, I think he just meant that not all 2* kids are horrible, some can help this team. Sure some can, but not as many as used they used to find in the '02-'04 years. Don't get me wrong, I love the walk-on and 2* guys who prove people wrong, Bob Sanders and Tyler Sash are two great examples but that type of athlete is a dying breed, merely because recruiting is getting better and better each year with more and more scouting services more players are being seen than before. I think 5* and 4* kids are based on talent and field accomplishments 3* guys are as well to a point. But I still think alot of 2* guys are based on their size, school and competition so they aren't nearly as followed or scouted. Maybe I see reaching too far into this, but I think this is getting better and better each year.

I am the type of person who tries to "over explain" things when I am talking or typing. I think if I don't spell it out and give a bunch of examples people won't understand what I am trying to say. I think Red is the opposite, from time to time I think he forgets to fully explain his thought process behind why he is stating what he is, he needs to leave the angry rants out and just explain what he means when he posts.
 
so what are you saying?
people complain about not recruiting better talent, the only way people can judge is to use the *'s.
in the past Iowa got alot out of the lower rated kids,
whats wrong with comparing that.
comparing the success with lesser recruits, just shows the potential of future success with better recruits

There is a difference between recruiting better talent and offering better talent. The Hawks have struggled at recruiting better talent recently, save the last couple classes.

Herby- you cant use stars dont matter in one argument and then base your arugment off players ratings in another argument. Its one of the many things you do that makes you look silly.
 
i keep my points simple, and by doing so I leave out a few things
but its still the same, Iowa recruits kids they feel they have a shot at, AND fits in with what they want out of a player,
they got burned by some in the 2005 class by getting players that came in with a attitude of they deserved to start and didn't have to work to get it
so Iowa went back to getting players that made them successful in the 1st place. Kids that worked hard to EARN the right to start
what good does it do to throw offers out to players that don't fit or come in as prima donna's
 
i keep my points simple, and by doing so I leave out a few things
but its still the same, Iowa recruits kids they feel they have a shot at, AND fits in with what they want out of a player,
they got burned by some in the 2005 class by getting players that came in with a attitude of they deserved to start and didn't have to work to get it
so Iowa went back to getting players that made them successful in the 1st place. Kids that worked hard to EARN the right to start
what good does it do to throw offers out to players that don't fit or come in as prima donna's

You have no point and often just ramble.

Do you have a link of some proof that former players in the program didnt work hard in practice?
 
also the stats I post are for the benefit of those that either don't have the time or whatever, nothing more
rather than saying Iowa offered player OL X and player Y, then nothing more.
I say Iowa offered player X 6'7 320 lbs and player Y 6'3 265 LBS,
very big difference between the 2. wouldn't you say.
 
You have no point and often just ramble.

Do you have a link of some proof that former players in the program didnt work hard in practice?

don't need a link, Baily and Bain both left, Doering a 5* was said on many occasion as being lazy in practice
there are others that have been called lazy in practice..
 
don't need a link, Baily and Bain both left, Doering a 5* was said on many occasion as being lazy in practice
there are others that have been called lazy in practice..

By who? Got a link?

So every player that transfers is lazy, is that what you are saying?
 
when a 4* player leaves, I would say that they did not want to work hard to succeed,
Garmon was used more in the last game and yet left. and by the 2 deeps he was listed as the #2 RB.
and this year showed just how quickly you can go from #2 to #1 or #5 to #1
what else do you need, to show a player does not want to work hard
 
when a 4* player leaves, I would say that they did not want to work hard to succeed,
Garmon was used more in the last game and yet left. and by the 2 deeps he was listed as the #2 RB.
and this year showed just how quickly you can go from #2 to #1 or #5 to #1
what else do you need, to show a player does not want to work hard


So you are saying Coker did not work hard? He was a 4* player and left after his sophomore year.
 
Coker was run off by Mason.
my question is this
why are you NIT picking every post I made/make
unless you purposely are trying to start a fight?
 
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