Looking ahead
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Well thanks for lumping me in with whomever all the other 'guys' are that 'always' think freshman will push for early PT. I would certainly not put myself in that category in that I didn't think Weigers Cook or Boyle, (although I was dead wrong about who would change positions between Cook and Boyle I hope that don't end up being a mistake but if Stanley ends up being good it won't matter) would push CJ... And for the most part your right. It took way too long for the staff to bench JC for Stanzi. But that was because JC stunk. Stanzi didn't exactly set the world on fire in practice or when he first got the reigns but he took them and ran with them. So it's "New Kirk" now. The staff is way different then it was then. I think on the back side of KFs career you'll see him make more and more bolder decisions unlike before if for no other reason then why not? I'm sure Weigers could be a check down Rudock type of QB and be just OK. But is that what they want to settle for? Look I'm not making any bold declaration (I know it looks like it) that Stanley is going to stride right in next yr and be a 3 yr starter and leave early for the NFL. I'm just saying that from what little that's been seen of Weigers and Cook that to totally dismiss the very idea that Stanley could beat them out wouldn't be smart either.
As far as Mends goes he's at the top of the depth chart now right? Has been since spring ball. Yes he wasn't ready last year during the year in the eyes of the coaches to play over Bowers. So since that time through spring ball till now he must have improved enough to where the coaches think he's ready and better than Bowers. I don't think he'll get demoted due to poor play like Bowers was at times so we'll see.
What I think about Eno is this. Unless Toks Akinbrade or Toren Young tear it up this year (due to a Wadley/Daniels injury) then I think next year Eno would get lots of PT with Wadley much the same way they split reps last year and will this yr. No I don't think he'll be used like a work horse day one. But he'll certainly be over Mitchell day 1. They are different types of backs. Mitchell is just a 3rd down back. Iowa has played freshman RBs before and if Eno is as good as his star rating (not to mention highlight tape) I just don't see redshirting him or worse giving him 10 meaningless touches spread out all year long in garbage time to burn his RS...
trj
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It's all good, brutha......reading comprehension isn't my strong suit.
Besides the '15 linebackers were all white I am sure you already knew this....so you are not going to be doing stand up anytime soon I get it.Yup I was well aware and thankfully ya'll won't see me on any stages with a mic any time soonIt's all good, brutha......reading comprehension isn't my strong suit.
Took too long to bench JC? Who are you to make that determination? Unless you're a high level coach and are at PRACTICE everyday, it is ignorant, yes ignorant, to make that type of declaration. Some of you played a little HS football (ok, where on the team, i doubt if many of you even played) and watch a few college games and somehow think you know more than the coaches on who to play and when to play them. Unreal, the audacity of some....oh, and in case you haven't noticed over the years, the depth chart means very little about where some are going to play. With Niemann out, Bowers went to LEO but is the 3rd best LB, and like on the O-line they play their best 3 LB's regardless of position listing. Here's the depth chart prior to last season (spring);
OLB—Ben Niemann (6-3, 205, soph.); Cole Fisher (6-2, 233, sr.)
MLB—Josey Jewell (6-2, 225, soph.); Travis Perry (6-3, 232, sr.)
WLB—Bo Bower (6-1, 220, soph.); Reggie Spearman (6-3, 230, jr.)
Cole was listed behind Niemann, but started at WLB and Bo backed up both OLB and WLB, but they put their best 3 on the field, so when Fisher got hurt Jewell went to WLB and Perry went to MLB...etc...So don't get to hung up on the 'depth chart' at LB. The best 3 will play, and at this time that is Niemann, Jewell, and Bowers. Mends will have to have a monster camp to overtake Bowers (someone who has extensive playing time and 14 games starting experience)..
First of all you may be the first if not only person that I've seen even remotely stick up for JCs body of work if you want to call it that..... The only reason he and his 54% completion percentage wasn't benched sooner was because Stanzi wasn't ready. The other two QBs were true freshman Vandenberg and Wienke. I think Nelson had transferred by then. JC started the first 3 games of 2008. The other reason he wasn't benched was Iowa was winning. They played 3 nobodies including ISU before finally starting Stanzi against Pitt. But Iowa was winning despite him not because of him... Thanks Shonn Greene.
As far as your LB 'analysis' what are you smoking? It sounds like Mends already had his 'monster camp' back in the spring because he's already been named the starter it's Bower doing the chasing not the other way around... This is old news try and keep up. http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2016/1/7/10732560/depth-chartin-iowa-releases-january-two-deeps
Actually JC started against Pitt and Stanzi played second quarter. After halftime the announcers said "let's take a look at the qb comparison, if you want to call it a comparison ". Meaning Stanzi was night and day better. They were completely flaborgasted when JC came trotting out in the second half.
Stanzi was way better than JC in week 4 so I can say with pretty good certainty that he was the better choice in week 3. I would say the gap between the 2 qbs as they were rotating through the first 4 weeks was about the same as the gap between CJ and Rudock in '14. Plenty big enough for any fan who watches the game to spot. The only difference is CJ was way better than Stanzi and Rudock was way better than JC.
Ok yeah your right. I just had it in my head that Stanzi started that game when indeed it was just when the switch was made. Iowa ended up losing that one.
Did you READ anything I posted about the depth chart and UNDERSTAND how little it meant at this time last year? I'll try to type slower, as you are obviously challenged. Mends hasn't been named the starter of squat. How come Niemann, Bowers, and Jewell didn't start the first game LAST YEAR, because that's what the depth chart said? What the hell was Fisher doing on the field? Didn't he know he was Niemanns backup and not a starter according to the depth chart? How do some of you make it through a day? Bowers started at the LEO in spring, was he supposed to play both positions at the same time? There's no point in trying to explain anything to you as you're apparently not capable of understanding simple concepts (you make that obvious by 'changing' your story on JC and not remotely understanding what I was trying to tell you). I feel for you. It must really suck having such limited cognitive abilities.
I k n o w y o u 'r e c h a l l e n g e d, but typing slower probably isn't going to help you. I would like you to show me WHERE I remotely came even close to standing up for 'JC's body of work? lol. I didn't say ONE WORD about JC's performance or ability, etc...So your cognitive disfunction also causes hallucinations???
hawkeyebob62
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Exactly
hawkeyebob62
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Probably means that lots of times we read about "champion sprinters" and "awesome 40 times", when in reality, sprint speed is "straight-line" speed. My personal favorites are the "he won the state 200/400 title!". When the pass pattern involving an 80-meter square-out is drawn, I'll buy in!
I get what he's saying, in short. Sprint speed doesn't always translate to on-the-field success (as has been drummed into us all many times by play-by-play and color guys who talk about "football speed" and "he sure gets fast on game day!").
I understand what you're saying. But I didn't talk about state 200's etc.... or 40 times. I said I saw them in practice on more than one occasion and he was faster. Football 'speed' doesn't really mean anything but can refer to 'explosion' speed and 'reaction' speed, lateral movement, etc...which yes, is much different than running a 40 or a 100....Announcers are like FOX news and just blurt stuff out to get peoples attention and 'entertain'. Half of what they say means pretty much nothing, but 'fans' eat it up and repeat things every chance they get. They think it makes them 'sound' like they know what they are talking about with terms like 'football speed', 'lockdown corner', 'separation', etc...Tell the DB's and defenders that had to deal with Bob Hayes, Renaldo Nehemiah, Bo Jackson, etc...that sprint speed doesn't translate....lol...Probably means that lots of times we read about "champion sprinters" and "awesome 40 times", when in reality, sprint speed is "straight-line" speed. My personal favorites are the "he won the state 200/400 title!". When the pass pattern involving an 80-meter square-out is drawn, I'll buy in!
I get what he's saying, in short. Sprint speed doesn't always translate to on-the-field success (as has been drummed into us all many times by play-by-play and color guys who talk about "football speed" and "he sure gets fast on game day!").
hawkeyebob62
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At least with Hayes and Nehemiah you could tackle them. Bo was like a damn freight train that accelerated like a sprint car.
So let's just see here. You wrote this.
“Took too long to bench JC? Who are you to make that determination? Unless you’re a high level coach and are at PRACTICE everyday, it is ignorant, yes ignorant to make that type of declaration.”
So by you saying that your either saying JC was playing well enough to have not been benched. Or that absolutely nobody except coaches can judge whether or not he’s playing well enough to keep his job. You can’t have it both ways. By saying that your sticking up for the coaches having waited as long as they did to bench him is that not you sticking up for him? Or else why say that? Because 99.99% of the fan base even before that game were wanting a change (except you and JCs parents evidently) So you say all that then decide to say in the same thread about how you think Mends won’t be a starting over Bower just because of how last years depth chart prior to the first game ended up the way it did… Well last year was last year. Sure some years the depth chart can be ever flowing. However based off of this years and how things are I think that it won’t change much if at all (minus injuries) come kickoff. Your just guessing that Bower will end up starting. You have no more clue then any of us. I’m actually basing what I think off of something current. If your right about Bower being the starter then why isn’t he listed as such? Why play the depth chart game? I don’t think they are playing mind games that only you Tom Hanks and Nicholas Cage can figure out. Bower was benched last year for poor play to Fisher. Then again he was beat out in the spring by Mends. Unless Mends gets hurt there’s no logical reason to assume that’ll change.
Also I didn’t “change my story on JC” I misremembered him starting the Pitt game but I was right about that game being when the change was made. Which was my overarching point.
The irony isn’t lost on me that you think that you can read between the depth chart lines of who will start yet think every non “high level coach” isn’t even remotely qualified to say a QB completing 54% of his passes and can’t throw to wide open FBs in the flat is worth getting yanked…
I said none of that. Just make up whatever your twisted mind wants, lol. It was very clear to any intelligent person what I said, but you want to put a twist on it to try to justify your total ignorance. You can ramble on all you'd like, it won't change anything and I doubt if anyone is even listening or cares...go tell your dog all about it, maybe he'll care, lol...
HawkeyeDenis
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it's tough to say how these kids will be next year. I remember Desmond King's first year. He was rough, but he kept getting better. You just never know how much heart a kid has. Obviously the one area of concern is QB. There is no replacement for CJ. With CJ it was obvious he had talent before he even started. Not seeing that with Weigers. I suspect he may be more of a Rudduck. A game manager.
