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[SteveGarvey1]

Nunge gonna run the point? That's almost what the Joker is because he's such a good passer the offense can run through him. He might have the most unique game in the league/

Maybe Al Hortford who's 6'10 245. Has some post up game but probably more comfortable facing up and shooting mid range jump shots and can hit a set 3.

You're probably right. Was just trying to pump a little ray of sunshine amidst all the negativity.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I think Fran has had pretty good luck at Iowa. I mean considering where it started, I'd say he's had tremendous luck and pretty good recruiting. 4 out of the last 6 years to the NCAA, 4 All B1G 1st round selections and starting 3 4 star players at the same time last season. That seems pretty good for what is likely considered the 11th or 12th best gig in the conference? The roster now includes Joe Wieskamp, the schools best outside shooter of all time in Jbo and Luka Garza .... Not winning B1G titles but not exactly a shit sammich either. The cupboard isn't bare, I don't really get all the hand wringing but whateves.

I want it on record that although I’m down on Iowa basketball right now I’m not in the everything sucks we are awful group of posters either.

 

[Fryowa]

Don't disagree with most of what you said, just pointing out that Rupp and Fran isn't a great comparison. One was a racist, the other isn't.

I didn’t think you did

 

[Northside Hawk]

To me it’s similar to football. If a guy has a losing conference record and has never even made a sniff of a conference title or semi-deep tournament run in almost a decade, it’s time to part ways. Add to it the flip outs and that tips the scales. Temper tantrums from people who are losing consistently indicate a cry baby, not someone who’s getting screwed over.

It’s like the guy in your bowling league with a 164 average who constantly bitches about the lanes while a bunch of other people carry 200+ averages. At some point it’s just being a whiny bitch.

My bowling average and my golf average are probably similiar, which doesn't bode well for either.

My 5k running times are still pretty respectable for being north of fifty.

 

[tweeterhawk]

I want it on record that although I’m down on Iowa basketball right now I’m not in the everything sucks we are awful group of posters either.

Get back to us in 10 months.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Rupp chose to have an all-white team because he was a racist and that was the culture anyway in southern basketball.

Fran has a mostly white team because three African-Americans are transferring (two understandable, one a head-scratcher) and because he's missed on several AA recruits, despite trying pretty hard to get them.

Well...just to be clear...they did ask CJ Frederick to stop playing the banjo during recruiting visits...hopefully that helps.

 

[tmess1989]

Connor would have to make an exponential jump to be a B1G starting level guard, but maybe that doesn’t matter. If I was the coach this is what I’d go with:

1: Toussaint 25 min / JBo 15 min
2. JBo 15 min / Frederick 20 min / Wieskamp 5 min
3. Wieskamp 30 min / P Mac 10 min
4. Nunge 28 min / Pemsl or Till 12 min
5. Garza 25 min / Kriener 15 min

I would tell Touissant you are out there for defense and ball handling. We don’t need you to score. With another ballhandler (potentially 2 with CJF) in the mix I don’t see a role for Connor. Pat hopefully can provide some energy minutes at the 3 and play hard on defense. At the 4 spot if we are playing an athletic team I’d go with Till for the spot backup minutes, if we need some inside scoring I’d go with Pemsl. Garza and Kriener will once again be a strong combo at the 5.

It really all comes down to how ready right out of the gates the three freshmen are. But I do find it hard to believe that Connor would get no minutes. If Toussaint can come in and be a solid defender right away then we need him on the floor for 20 to 25 minutes per game. Below is where I would guess things average for the year. I'm combining the 1 and 2 because I believe it's going to be various combinations of these 4 and all 4 can be the primary ball handler at times. JBo and Freddrick will be off ball the most.

1/2. JBo 30, Toussaint 20, CMac 15, Freddrick 15
3. Wiesy 30, PMac 10
4. Nunge 22, Pemsl 12, Kreiner 6
5. Garza 25, Kreiner 15

I think the starters will be

JBo
Toussaint (probably CMac at beginning of the year)
Wiesy
Nunge
Garza

Till plays a similar role to last year where he gets spot minutes if there's an injury or foul trouble to a frontcourt player.

The more I think about it the more I understand why Moss may have felt his role would diminish next year. It's tough to see how he could get even 20 MPG with the depth at guard.

I'm optimistic about next year but if Toussaint and Freddrick struggle then this team will also struggle. Or maybe they struggle but PMac plays really well and Wieskamp plays more at the 2. One of the three newcomers has to be a solid and consistent player for this team to have a good year.

 

[NikeHawk21]

It really all comes down to how ready right out of the gates the three freshmen are. But I do find it hard to believe that Connor would get no minutes. If Toussaint can come in and be a solid defender right away then we need him on the floor for 20 to 25 minutes per game. Below is where I would guess things average for the year. I'm combining the 1 and 2 because I believe it's going to be various combinations of these 4 and all 4 can be the primary ball handler at times. JBo and Freddrick will be off ball the most.

1/2. JBo 30, Toussaint 20, CMac 15, Freddrick 15
3. Wiesy 30, PMac 10
4. Nunge 22, Pemsl 12, Kreiner 6
5. Garza 25, Kreiner 15

I think the starters will be

JBo
Toussaint (probably CMac at beginning of the year)
Wiesy
Nunge
Garza

Till plays a similar role to last year where he gets spot minutes if there's an injury or foul trouble to a frontcourt player.

The more I think about it the more I understand why Moss may have felt his role would diminish next year. It's tough to see how he could get even 20 MPG with the depth at guard.

I'm optimistic about next year but if Toussaint and Freddrick struggle then this team will also struggle. Or maybe they struggle but PMac plays really well and Wieskamp plays more at the 2. One of the three newcomers has to be a solid and consistent player for this team to have a good year.

I fully expect Connor to get minutes, I was just saying if it were up to me I don’t think he would. Honestly he probably gets even more than what you show above. I think your minute breakdown is pretty solid though.

 

[tmess1989]

I fully expect Connor to get minutes, I was just saying if it were up to me I don’t think he would. Honestly he probably gets even more than what you show above. I think your minute breakdown is pretty solid though.

I agree that he SHOULD get less minutes. I guess it's Fran's choice if he wants to put his job on the line for playing time for his kids. Ask Lickliter how that worked for him

 

[QChawkness]

I don't understand all the hate for CMac. There's a reason why he closed out a lot of games over Moss. He's a solid player. He just finished his freshman year and is only going to improve.

 

[tmess1989]

I don't understand all the hate for CMac. There's a reason why he closed out a lot of games over Moss. He's a solid player. He just finished his freshman year and is only going to improve.

He has to be more of a threat to make a shot. He isn't a bad defender. He can muscle his way in to the lane on a drive and get a layup or a foul. He is a pretty good FT shooter. But, teams don't respect him as a shooter at all which allows them to help or double off of him. The reason that he was in games late last year over Moss is because it allowed Bohannon to play off the ball.

 

[N8theGr8]

He has to be more of a threat to make a shot. He isn't a bad defender. He can muscle his way in to the lane on a drive and get a layup or a foul. He is a pretty good FT shooter. But, teams don't respect him as a shooter at all which allows them to help or double off of him. The reason that he was in games late last year over Moss is because it allowed Bohannon to play off the ball.

Exactly. Connor can provide some solid minutes as a somewhat capable ball handler and defender. I don't think anyone is really hating on Connor, but we need to replace some of the attributes that Moss had within the minutes given next season. Moss was a great 3 point shooter and at this point, Connor has not proven that he has a functioning 3 point stroke. But yet, Connor is in line to soak up a good portion of Moss's minutes. Therefore, there is apprehension surrounding his role next season. I'm hoping that being around Wieskamp, CJ Fredrick, and Bohannon this offseason will get Connor's mechanics sorted and allow him to hit around 35% next season. That would open up a lot of things on offense and make him a more viable option to fill in at the 2.

 

[WindsorHawk]

Fun fact. Moss made 3 out of 5 threes against Tennessee. In the 13 games prior he shot 28.1% from 3. CM shot 29.4% in those same 13 games. Moss faded? Connor was improving? We’ll see how next year goes. So many variables and unknowns.

 

[NikeHawk21]

I don't understand all the hate for CMac. There's a reason why he closed out a lot of games over Moss. He's a solid player. He just finished his freshman year and is only going to improve.

He has to be more of a threat to make a shot. He isn't a bad defender. He can muscle his way in to the lane on a drive and get a layup or a foul. He is a pretty good FT shooter. But, teams don't respect him as a shooter at all which allows them to help or double off of him. The reason that he was in games late last year over Moss is because it allowed Bohannon to play off the ball.

He played at the end of the game to help with ball handling on a team completely devoid of ball handlers. Here were his stats in B1G play last season.

18.2 MPG / 29.8 FG% / 16.7 3P% / 64.1 FT%
3.1 PPG / 2.6 APG / 1.4 TPG
PER 7.3 (15 estimates an average player. 8th on the team only ahead of Dailey)

In B1G play he led the team in turnover % with a gaudy 26.3%. He did lead the team in assist %. Basically he was a guy who got a lot of assists but also got a lot of turnovers. His offensive rating was 8th of the 9 rotational players.

Defensively the only guard he ranked above was Bohannon, and that’s not a ringing endorsement. He ranked somewhere in the area of the 6-7th best defender on a bad defensive team.

 

[HawkGold]

I don't understand all the hate for CMac. There's a reason why he closed out a lot of games over Moss. He's a solid player. He just finished his freshman year and is only going to improve.

Yes, there is a reason......

 

[atomicblue224]

And introducing our new coach...Adolph Rupp.

Wait, what? What's going on?

 

[ArvadaHawk]

I'm not sure Connor is the best answer at PG but I'll be shocked if he goes from 18 minutes a game to not being in the rotation at all as you have it above. Unless Connor were to decide to just play baseball, he's not going to be in the rotation with his Dad as the head coach. I just don't see it.

Toussaint as Mr. Basketball in NY seems like a great thing but his recruiting rankings weren't all that high. Hopefully Fran found an underrated recruit.

i think JT's profile was hurt because he doesn't yet have a reliable jumper. otherwise, his recruiting would have been up a notch, in my opinion. i see this as a recruiting steal and JT doesn't need to shoot if he's on the floor with JBo and that gives him a year to improve his jumper. but i don't think JT will ever be relied on to be a jump shooter. i'm fine with that at pg with the current group we have.

 

[FirstDownHawkeyes]

FMs O is best with at least 3 guys you can’t leave alone behind the arc. Last year that was JBo, Moss And JW in the starting lineup with NB also a threat off the bench. Next year you could have JBo and JW with Nunge as another shooter, JT as a slasher and LG as an all around scorer. Then CJF and maybe PMac are 2 more floor spreading shooters. None of the 3rd shooter options can probably be as reliable as Moss except maybe CJF but he’s gonna be a F.

The hope has to be that JT and CJF improve overall ball handling skills (Moss was a TO machine) and JT and Nunge improve the defense. I expect both of them will be better than any defender on the 2018-19 squad.

 

[WindsorHawk]

I was curious and did some quick math not knowing for sure what the results would be.

Our 9 Man Rotation
FT - 74.2%
3P - 36.5%

The 5 Returning Players
FT - 78.9%
3P - 36.8%

I expected the FT percentage to go up since Cook and Baer both shot in the mid sixties. But I thought the 3 percentage would drop without Moss and Baer. Dailey’s misses offset Baer’s and Moss’ threes made.

 

[HuckFinn]

For me, the jury is still out with regard toCMac. However, given Fran’s theory of going deep into the lineup, and with two untested guards + CMac next season, I would see the minutes vary among those three, maybe not with a lot of difference. CMac would certainly bring experience to the table, and I am hopeful the two new guys will learn quickly. Remember that
Connor was only a freshman last season and really got thrown into the fire. I also think he was told by the coaches to focus on assists and overall offensive leadership, not scoring. I saw him pass up a lot of shots. Defensively, he is not the traditional speedy point guard, but he sure is physical and usually enjoys a height advantage. Experience will help on that end, too. Just to be clear, I do not give a crap who his father is.