LaFrentz - Martin?

Hawk90 said:
Maybe, I am thinking of Collison.
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Correct. LaFrentz was a big KU fan as a kid, despite living in Iowa. Not getting him may have sealed Mr. Davis's fate, but it was a long shot to land him.

Collison, on the other hand, was strongly considering Iowa until Bowlsby made his genius move.
 
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Yeah, Collison was more likely to go to Iowa if Mr. Davis stayed. Hinrich was going to Iowa St. if Tim Floyd had stayed. Kansas lucked out two fold there. But it was still fun to watch Iowa beat them handily in Carver as freshman.
 
If Martin had signed with Iowa a year ago he would be a two star?

Please...this is a business...players with such talent don't hide for long...all time leading receiver in Iowa State history?

People get paid a lot of money to figure this out, some over the table, lots more under.
 
revkev73 said:
If Martin had signed with Iowa a year ago he would be a two star?

Please...this is a business...players with such talent don't hide for long...all time leading receiver in Iowa State history?

People get paid a lot of money to figure this out, some over the table, lots more under.
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You must not follow recruiting much. Martin was on NOBODY'S radar after his Jr season. The only reason he caught teams eyes is because the camped over the summer. If he commits to Iowa he doesn't camp anywhere and he never gets evaluated by another team or by Rivals. He stays a 2* and never even gets another offer or sniff from anyone.
 
deanvogs said:
Martin's recruiting is crazy. If Iowa offered him a year ago today and he committed on the spot, the usual suspects on here would be crying about our 2* WR from Iowa and how KF is lazy and only recruits Iowa kids cause he is lazy.........

Crazy how much something can change in a year.
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Not true.
 
deanvogs said:
You must not follow recruiting much. Martin was on NOBODY'S radar after his Jr season. The only reason he caught teams eyes is because the camped over the summer. If he commits to Iowa he doesn't camp anywhere and he never gets evaluated by another team or by Rivals. He stays a 2* and never even gets another offer or sniff from anyone.
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So you're saying Kirk effed up bad? :)
 
Kennyfromminne said:
Elaborate. Wait it's impossible
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How do you think Rivals evaluated prospects? They do it mostly with camps and offers. Oliver had ZERO offers based off his Jr. year camps and high school film, that means he is completely off the Rivals radar at that point. They have ratings out already for 2019 kids, so Oliver had gone through his So and Jr. years unranked and unnoticed.

If he gets an offer from Iowa in Feb. and commits in Feb., he never goes to the camps in the summer. End of story, he never gets another offer, never goes to another team camp, never goes to Rivals camp.

Instead since he didn't have an offer, and didn't commit he went out to EARN OFFERS last summer. He went to Iowa's camp, and I believe a camp at Wisconsin. His performance at those camps netted him offers form, Wisconsin and Iowa. He then went to a Rivals camp and CRUSHED it there. From that point he was on the Rival radar, and got bumped from a 2* to a 3* recruit, and got a MSU offer I believe. Because of that performance he was invited to the Elite Rivals camp in Oregon, where we CRUSHED it yet again. More schools took notice then and he got his Oregon, ND, and Michigan offers. He was then invited to the Army AA game, where he CRUSHED it yet again during the week of practice, and Rivals then bumped him up to a 4* recruit. He now has OSU, Florida and other recruiting him as well.

If you think that Rivals is gonna just slap this kid with a 4* label based on Sr. Iowa High School film, then you don't understand recruiting.
 
PCHawk said:
So you're saying Kirk effed up bad? :)
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Sure, call it what you will. I think what he did was just improve sooooo much from his Jr year to his Sr year, that he earned all of this. Iowa had him in to camp his Jr year, and I think in an early interview with Martin he said he didn't perform well his Jr. year at camp. He trained with McNutt and KMM I think after football season so he could go to camps and earn offers this year. Lets just say, that worked. I think he just improved so much, that there really wasn't anything to "miss" last year, he just wasn't a D1 WR last year, and now he is.
 
deanvogs said:
How do you think Rivals evaluated prospects? They do it mostly with camps and offers. Oliver had ZERO offers based off his Jr. year camps and high school film, that means he is completely off the Rivals radar at that point. They have ratings out already for 2019 kids, so Oliver had gone through his So and Jr. years unranked and unnoticed.

If he gets an offer from Iowa in Feb. and commits in Feb., he never goes to the camps in the summer. End of story, he never gets another offer, never goes to another team camp, never goes to Rivals camp.

Instead since he didn't have an offer, and didn't commit he went out to EARN OFFERS last summer. He went to Iowa's camp, and I believe a camp at Wisconsin. His performance at those camps netted him offers form, Wisconsin and Iowa. He then went to a Rivals camp and CRUSHED it there. From that point he was on the Rival radar, and got bumped from a 2* to a 3* recruit, and got a MSU offer I believe. Because of that performance he was invited to the Elite Rivals camp in Oregon, where we CRUSHED it yet again. More schools took notice then and he got his Oregon, ND, and Michigan offers. He was then invited to the Army AA game, where he CRUSHED it yet again during the week of practice, and Rivals then bumped him up to a 4* recruit. He now has OSU, Florida and other recruiting him as well.

If you think that Rivals is gonna just slap this kid with a 4* label based on Sr. Iowa High School film, then you don't understand recruiting.
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Next time you say "end of story" I don't see any need to keep typing.
 
deanvogs said:
Sure, call it what you will. I think what he did was just improve sooooo much from his Jr year to his Sr year, that he earned all of this. Iowa had him in to camp his Jr year, and I think in an early interview with Martin he said he didn't perform well his Jr. year at camp. He trained with McNutt and KMM I think after football season so he could go to camps and earn offers this year. Lets just say, that worked. I think he just improved so much, that there really wasn't anything to "miss" last year, he just wasn't a D1 WR last year, and now he is.
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You're always contradicting yourself.
 
Kennyfromminne said:
Next time you say "end of story" I don't see any need to keep typing.
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I am compassionate, and when the "slower" minds on this board can't keep up with mine, I further explain things for them. Knowledge is power, and it seemed like you needed some.
 
Do you mean passionate? Your brain moves too fast...and skips things...slow down, let it come to you.

That you think you are so knowledgeable can be the power that makes your life worth living for the rest of the day.
 
Kennyfromminne said:
I don't need your opinion. You sure like to force it upon others though.
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You made a statement that was patently false. I went about stating my case, and this is the only rebuttal you got? Either put up or shut up man. Debate your point, don't act like a baby because I destroyed your point.

I can't force my opinion on anyone, you are free to put me on ignore any time you'd like.
 
deanvogs said:
You made a statement that was patently false. I went about stating my case, and this is the only rebuttal you got? Either put up or shut up man. Debate your point, don't act like a baby because I destroyed your point.

I can't force my opinion on anyone, you are free to put me on ignore any time you'd like.
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How did you destroy my point? You said martin would have been a 2* had not gone to camps. That is an unknown. Thus you stated your opinion. My opinion is he still would have bumped up due to his skill and potential, but you think you're a genious.
 
revkev73 said:
Do you mean passionate? Your brain moves too fast...and skips things...slow down, let it come to you.

That you think you are so knowledgeable can be the power that makes your life worth living for the rest of the day.
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Dean lives for approval on this board.
 
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