Kirk Ferentz on Hawkeyes Being Left Out of Coaches Poll

[BVHawk95]

We’ll never agree so we’ll need to agree to disagree. I’m sick of watching this coach and holding the coaching spot hostage. I want something else. That’s why i gave up tickets several yrs ago and casually watch. I was in your shoes once and grew out of it. I have high expectations based on the commitment given and resources given. To me, he hasn’t delivered and I’m allowed my opinion and you are yours

You are certainly allowed your opinion, just as I'm allowed to point out the flaws in your logic.

Lose the "grew out of it" crap though. I used to think like you until I learned a ton more about the game of football and how college football operates. That type of thinking works both ways, and it's totally dishonest.

 

[CP87]

Except for the fact that most of KFs success comes against really good schedules.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other?date=2019-01-07

03- 10th rated SOS (10-3)
04- 12th (10-2)
05- 12th (7-5)
06- 48th (6-7)
07- 73rd (6-6)
08- 30th (9-4)
09- 32nd (11-2)
10- 35th (8-5)
11- 47th (7-6)
12- 50th (4-8)
13- 38th (8-5)
14- 59th (7-6)
15- 51st (12-2)
16- 44th (8-5)
17- 10th (8-5)
18- 27th (9-4)

With 120+ FBS teams over this time period, Iowa's schedule consistently ranks in the top half of the country, and our most successful years they rank in the top quarter.

So much for "smoke and mirrors".

Surprised '09 wasn't a tougher schedule (like top 10), that one sure seemed tough as they were going through it.

 

[BVHawk95]

Surprised '09 wasn't a tougher schedule (like top 10), that one sure seemed tough as they were going through it.

I was as well. That was a strong stretch for the Big Ten, and we played 4 ranked teams that year as well. Gotta think it's due Michigan being ass during that time period and Dantonio not having broken out at MSU yet.

 

[oldhawk12]

You are certainly allowed your opinion, just as I'm allowed to point out the flaws in your logic.

Lose the "grew out of it" crap though. I used to think like you until I learned a ton more about the game of football and how college football operates. That type of thinking works both ways, and it's totally dishonest.

You also need to lose the “flaws in your logic” nonsense.

 

[deanvogs]

Thanks so much making my point for me! It makes this so much easier! With the vast amount of over the top resources that kf has, I judge his success against his peers. And that’s other p5 sclools so that is 65...not 120. You could further argue that his resources dwarf that of the clowns, rutgers and countless other teams in the 65 and he certainly is compensated like a top 10 coach but for some reason you are ok with top 35 results instead, but i digress. He does get lift in the schedule strength whenever the clowns have an up yr or when delaney is sleeping and lets ohio st or the like slip onto the schedule. Outside of last yr, according to your own data, he hasn’t played a p5 schedule since 05 against his peer p5 schools

Top 35 results, WTF are you talking about? Iowa is in the midst of a 4 year run that is HISTORICALLY good for Iowa. As I said, Iowa has won 37 game over the last 4 years which ties Fry's best 4 year run and is only 1 win short of Kirk's best four year run before this. Iowa is tied for 11th most wins of any P5 school over the last 4 years. Here is how it breaks down:

Bama 55 wins
Clemson 55 wins
OSU 48 wins
OU 46 wins
Wisconsin 42 wins
Georgia 42 wins
Stanford 39 wins
Washington 39 wins
Michigan 38 wins
Penn St. 38 wins
Iowa 37 wins
Oklahoma St. 37 wins
Washington St. 37 wins

 

[Xerxes]

We’ll never agree so we’ll need to agree to disagree. I’m sick of watching this coach and holding the coaching spot hostage. I want something else. That’s why i gave up tickets several yrs ago and casually watch. I was in your shoes once and grew out of it. I have high expectations based on the commitment given and resources given. To me, he hasn’t delivered and I’m allowed my opinion and you are yours

You're a Da Hater.

 

[oldhawk12]

You're a Da Hater.

Of ferentz

 

[oldhawk12]

Top 35 results, WTF are you talking about? Iowa is in the midst of a 4 year run that is HISTORICALLY good for Iowa. As I said, Iowa has won 37 game over the last 4 years which ties Fry's best 4 year run and is only 1 win short of Kirk's best four year run before this. Iowa is tied for 11th most wins of any P5 school over the last 4 years. Here is how it breaks down:

Bama 55 wins
Clemson 55 wins
OSU 48 wins
OU 46 wins
Wisconsin 42 wins
Georgia 42 wins
Stanford 39 wins
Washington 39 wins
Michigan 38 wins
Penn St. 38 wins
Iowa 37 wins
Oklahoma St. 37 wins
Washington St. 37 wins

You really don’t know how to read and comprehend and I’m not going to go through it again. In short, it’s comparing ferentz teams to similar teams (p5) so 65 teams. That should be the minimum benchmark is against the other 65. So the pounding of the chest about schedule strength is gone because he rarely plays a top half p5 schedule. So that makes the win totals inflated because they come from easier schedules than many of his peers. The further difference between me and many of the rest of the kool aid drinkers is the fact that I also compare him to coaches with similar resources and financial benefits. In those areas, he is easily top 15 in America in terms of how he is compensated and the unending financial support through facilities and donors. It is a real tribute to the university that our alums and fans have been this loyal for so little results. When measured this way, when you are measured against the top 15 supported from a resource standpoint, the results have been average to below for the return

 

[uihawk82]

LOL on not counting 2015. That year we played 12 P5 teams and went 10-2 vs them, but yeah, that "doesn't count". LOLOLOLOL.

We are actually 30-15 vs P5 teams over the last 4 years which is winning at a 67% clip vs other P5 schools which is actually EXCELLENT.

Plus who the *uck do you think teams beat? Most SEC and ACC schools schedule 4 auto wins a year, and then play 8 P5 teams. Lots of other teams play 3 non P5 teams a year, while Iowa plays only 2 non P5 teams.

Correct, you just cant toss out years for the most part. I dont give much credence to Fry's and KF's first two years as they were total rebuilding. But since then everything is up for use in any statistical discussion.

That being said most of what you said above is true with some of the lame schedules top teams have, etc.

But I disagree that Iowa's 30-15 record against the P5 in the last 4 years is Excellent. I would call it above average. Iowa is historically a 54-55% overall winning team. Before the last two coaches it was under 50% overall but really Iowa under Fry and KF is a 66% type team against all comers. So 30-15, 66% against the P5 is above avg but not Excellent.

Some good hawk teams in the last 4 years have lost to some teams worse than them, jNW, Purdue, MSU, Wisky this year. Over the last 18 years I still say KF has lost at least 18 games the hawks should have won (really probably more). Indiana and Purdue over those years can maybe say the lost a few they think they should have won but not as many as Iowa.

A record of 35-10 over or so over the last 4 years against the P5 would be excellent when you consider MSU and Stanford in 2015 and 3 losses to PSU and Wisky, Florida in a bowl. Basically I dont think the hawks should have lost some or most of these games against Purdue and jNW.

 

[deanvogs]

You really don’t know how to read and comprehend and I’m not going to go through it again. In short, it’s comparing ferentz teams to similar teams (p5) so 65 teams. That should be the minimum benchmark is against the other 65. So the pounding of the chest about schedule strength is gone because he rarely plays a top half p5 schedule. So that makes the win totals inflated because they come from easier schedules than many of his peers. The further difference between me and many of the rest of the kool aid drinkers is the fact that I also compare him to coaches with similar resources and financial benefits. In those areas, he is easily top 15 in America in terms of how he is compensated and the unending financial support through facilities and donors. It is a real tribute to the university that our alums and fans have been this loyal for so little results. When measured this way, when you are measured against the top 15 supported from a resource standpoint, the results have been average to below for the return

Kirk Ferentz is #17 in financial compensation http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
Also who gives a rats ass what he makes? I mean serious, what is the fascination with that? He is the 17th highest paid coach and he has the 11th most wins of the P5 programs. Seems like he is underpaid, no?

 

[BVHawk95]

Kirk Ferentz is #17 in financial compensation http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
Also who gives a rats ass what he makes? I mean serious, what is the fascination with that? He is the 17th highest paid coach and he has the 11th most wins of the P5 programs. Seems like he is underpaid, no?

Weird list. Illinois is getting fleeced by Lovie. Funny that Nebby sells their souls for Frost while still paying off Reilly, and get 4-8 as a result.

 

[pythagoras]

Kirk Ferentz is #17 in financial compensation http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
Also who gives a rats ass what he makes? I mean serious, what is the fascination with that? He is the 17th highest paid coach and he has the 11th most wins of the P5 programs. Seems like he is underpaid, no?

Usually those extremely stupid people like to argue and complain about extremely stupid things. They can't help it...they're stupid!

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Jesus man. We got our asses handed to us by a top 5 team. Hell look at the college football playoffs 1st round since it began. 7 of the 10 1st round games have been 17 pt or more beat downs. Were those 7 teams exposed that season for what it was? It happens, good teams get beaten and beaten badly, only a freaking fool would think 1 game proves a season is a failure.

Da Haters act like Iowa is in the abyss, and the program is broken. Iowa has won 37 games over the last 4 years, which is 1 win shy of it's best 4 year stretch under Ferentz (38 wins from '01-'04) and ties Fry's best 4 year stretch (37 wins '84-'87)

On top of that we have finished ranked in 2 of the last 4 years, and over the last 4 years have won at least 8 games each year. Only 11 P5 teams have accomplished this and 15 in all of FBS football.

Oddly enough, he thinks MSU should be ranked ahead of us. The win isn't "body of work"-worthy vs. MSU. But...the loss to Stanford invalidates the whole 2015 season.

That is the kind of logic you deal with when debating with some of these people.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Smoke and mirrors. Kf and tom davis are the kings of racking up wins over no one for longevity sake. Good coaches, but far from great and both had serious trouble getting game changers to iowa city

<<(B)oth had serious trouble getting game changers to Iowa City>>

Yeah, what with Iowa's history of "game changers"

 

[karras]

Honestly, what does a non-playoff bowl victory mean? Enlighten us.

It means a final ranking in at least one Poll, which has a ripple affect. Many things are influenced like recruiting, coach retention, perception of the program, etc. And you've already admitted in this thread you attend bowl games so you know darn well that fans value these games. In light of that your reply is kinda bizarre.

 

[Ree4]

Based on these recent posts, I will not be satisfied until Iowa beats Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, all on the road of course, in the same year. AND, it must include a non-conference schedule that includes at least one top tier SEC team, and the prior year's national champion, presuming it's not someone from the above list, in which case it will any other team in the playoff the year before. Scheduling be damned, if Barta has half a wit, he can figure it out. Anything less is unacceptable. This is coming from someone who used to walk 20 miles to school everyday, uphill both ways, in a snowstorm. Even when there was no school.

Hahaha this is so awesome, I wish I could like it more than once

 

[Ree4]

Out of all that rambling, this was the most laughable. The 2017 schedule was the 10th toughest in the country,

I've seen 5th toughest in most lists

 

[ChosenChildren]

Correct, you just cant toss out years for the most part. I dont give much credence to Fry's and KF's first two years as they were total rebuilding. But since then everything is up for use in any statistical discussion.

That being said most of what you said above is true with some of the lame schedules top teams have, etc.

But I disagree that Iowa's 30-15 record against the P5 in the last 4 years is Excellent. I would call it above average. Iowa is historically a 54-55% overall winning team. Before the last two coaches it was under 50% overall but really Iowa under Fry and KF is a 66% type team against all comers. So 30-15, 66% against the P5 is above avg but not Excellent.

Some good hawk teams in the last 4 years have lost to some teams worse than them, jNW, Purdue, MSU, Wisky this year. Over the last 18 years I still say KF has lost at least 18 games the hawks should have won (really probably more). Indiana and Purdue over those years can maybe say the lost a few they think they should have won but not as many as Iowa.

A record of 35-10 over or so over the last 4 years against the P5 would be excellent when you consider MSU and Stanford in 2015 and 3 losses to PSU and Wisky, Florida in a bowl. Basically I dont think the hawks should have lost some or most of these games against Purdue and jNW.

Ferentz overall winning percentage at Iowa is 60%, and it is close to 65% during the last 18 years, which means that there were a bunch of years in the past 18 during which Ferentz won more than 66% of his games Fry was 61% overall. Fry played in a Big Ten without Penn State or Nebraska for most of his years.

Fry and Ferentz are the pinnacle of Iowa football over a long time period. Sorry, but Iowa will never do better than those two guys. It just won't happen, for lots of reasons. We are a small population state with no real recruiting base.

 

[Ree4]

Ferentz overall winning percentage at Iowa is 60%, and it is close to 65% during the last 18 years, which means that there were a bunch of years in the past 18 during which Ferentz won more than 66% of his games Fry was 61% overall. Fry played in a Big Ten without Penn State or Nebraska for most of his years.

Fry and Ferentz are the pinnacle of Iowa football over a long time period. Sorry, but Iowa will never do better than those two guys. It just won't happen, for lots of reasons. We are a small population state with no real recruiting base.

Also I'd venture to say that there is a lot more parity in college football now (except for Clemson/Bama) than when Fry coached here - coincidentally something that Fry helped establish by showing that Iowa could compete with OSU and Michigan.

 

[oldhawk12]

Kirk Ferentz is #17 in financial compensation http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
Also who gives a rats ass what he makes? I mean serious, what is the fascination with that? He is the 17th highest paid coach and he has the 11th most wins of the P5 programs. Seems like he is underpaid, no?

11th most is due to longevity and cupcake scheduling