Kirk Ferentz Fills Two Positions

PCHawk said:
It's not tax payer money unless the government decides they need to raise taxes because they need more money due to too many donation write offs.
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What country do you live in where the govt doesn't spend more than they get in tax revenue?
How about this: If the govt HAD all of the money that these people write off from donations, they could easily LOWER everyone's taxes. I'm paying more in taxes because of the write offs taken for donations to the Iowa coaches. Any way you or anyone else tries to slice it, it's tax payer money. Some, most, part or partially.....it effects the govt's bottom line. It's a flat out lie to say that anyone's salary at a state University, doesn't come from tax payer money, unless the donations cease being tax deductible.
That's why Barta likes to say: That money doesn't come from the general fund. If he said it doesn't effect the tax payers of the state of Iowa, show me the quote. I'm not an accountant or a tax attorney, by any stretch but I know that much.
 
Okay, KF doesn't even care any more. He is just taking care of his family. Qualified or not, this is brazen.

P.S. Soon only grandchildren will be shagging practice kicks.
 
If it works and he does a great job then I am fine with it as long as the football program is successful. However if we fall back into the same abyss we saw the five years before last season then "FIRE THEM ALL."........... Including Barta!!! :mad:
 
lightning1 said:
What country do you live in where the govt doesn't spend more than they get in tax revenue?
How about this: If the govt HAD all of the money that these people write off from donations, they could easily LOWER everyone's taxes. I'm paying more in taxes because of the write offs taken for donations to the Iowa coaches. Any way you or anyone else tries to slice it, it's tax payer money. Some, most, part or partially.....it effects the govt's bottom line. It's a flat out lie to say that anyone's salary at a state University, doesn't come from tax payer money, unless the donations cease being tax deductible.
That's why Barta likes to say: That money doesn't come from the general fund. If he said it doesn't effect the tax payers of the state of Iowa, show me the quote. I'm not an accountant or a tax attorney, by any stretch but I know that much.
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<<it effects the govt's bottom line>>

Therein lies our societal problem: people giving "govt" the same status as "corporation" or "hpusehold". "Corporations" and "people" have to live within a set of means. Using "govt" as a weapon to bet back at others is what started the slippery slope here...
 
lightning1 said:
What country do you live in where the govt doesn't spend more than they get in tax revenue?
How about this: If the govt HAD all of the money that these people write off from donations, they could easily LOWER everyone's taxes. I'm paying more in taxes because of the write offs taken for donations to the Iowa coaches. Any way you or anyone else tries to slice it, it's tax payer money. Some, most, part or partially.....it effects the govt's bottom line. It's a flat out lie to say that anyone's salary at a state University, doesn't come from tax payer money, unless the donations cease being tax deductible.
That's why Barta likes to say: That money doesn't come from the general fund. If he said it doesn't effect the tax payers of the state of Iowa, show me the quote. I'm not an accountant or a tax attorney, by any stretch but I know that much.
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There are so many factors in play here that by the time you get through them all, at best you can say "an extremely small percentage of donations is taxpayers money".

People donate because they find something that's worth paying 1000 dollars on to save 300 in taxes. If people didn't donate to the University, they would just find another way to trim their earnings before the end of the year. Take away that legal donation and people will just take advantage of a different one.

Also like I said, it's the government's money until they decide to come for more because they don't have enough. Judging by the National deficit, not having enough money doesn't seem to bother them.

Donated university money is such a small percentage of money compared to what what the IRS deals with that it's a big stretch to say it changes what other people pay in taxes. It's extremely funny to think they would actually lower taxes if they had that money.
 
lightning1 said:
When I make a specific donation to the AD in order to specifically pay KF's salary.....and I take a tax deduction on that "donation", it's tax payer money! I don't have the time to explain to you how that works. You'll just have to trust me. And I'm not entirely sure you understand what I am talking about, you might want to read the thread again. It has nothing to do with anyone keeping money they earned. My response isn't, anyway.
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I understand it completely. It's circular liberal bullshit logic.

Taking a legitimate tax deduction for any reason is not taking
taxpayer money... it's keeping the money you earned.

It really is that simple... you might want to spend some time
in a remedial economics class.
 
So, does anybody believe that all these family members are the "best" available for the jobs?

Only if being part of the family is a qualification.
 
BlindDogScooter said:
I understand it completely. It's circular liberal bullshit logic.

Taking a legitimate tax deduction for any reason is not taking
taxpayer money... it's keeping the money you earned.

It really is that simple... you might want to spend some time
in a remedial economics class.
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#1. I don't have a problem with anyone taking a legitimate tax deduction. So take your "liberal" insults and jam them in your rear.
#2. You're so stupid, you don't even comprehend the basis of the discussion, so I will spell it out for you.....slowly.
Anyone donating money towards KF's salary, and then taking a legitimate tax deduction, qualifies as paying KF's salary with money that effects the State tax revenue pool.
You got your head so fouled up and brainwashed from political news shows, that you believe this is some lib vs Con argument. IT'S NOT!! So go back to MSNBC/FoxNews or whatever shit stain that occupies the space between your ears. Or learn to frickin read.
 
PCHawk said:
There are so many factors in play here that by the time you get through them all, at best you can say "an extremely small percentage of donations is taxpayers money".

People donate because they find something that's worth paying 1000 dollars on to save 300 in taxes. If people didn't donate to the University, they would just find another way to trim their earnings before the end of the year. Take away that legal donation and people will just take advantage of a different one.

Also like I said, it's the government's money until they decide to come for more because they don't have enough. Judging by the National deficit, not having enough money doesn't seem to bother them.

Donated university money is such a small percentage of money compared to what what the IRS deals with that it's a big stretch to say it changes what other people pay in taxes. It's extremely funny to think they would actually lower taxes if they had that money.
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Of course they won't lower taxes, no matter how much money they have! That doesn't change the fact that whomever donates to pay KF's salary is taking deductions that would otherwise provide some revenue for the State tax pool. That's my 1 and only point and for some reason, several of you guys have a problem with it. It's fact. Like it or not.
And I don't have a problem with the donation, the deduction or his salary. I have a problem when people say it doesn't come from the tax payers of Iowa. Some or part of it absolutely does.
 
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hawkeyebob62 said:
<<it effects the govt's bottom line>>

Therein lies our societal problem: people giving "govt" the same status as "corporation" or "hpusehold". "Corporations" and "people" have to live within a set of means. Using "govt" as a weapon to bet back at others is what started the slippery slope here...
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Our govt (the people running it) is corrupt, greedy and completely useless. But that's hardly the point I'm trying to make.
 
lightning1 said:
Of course they won't lower taxes, no matter how much money they have! That doesn't change the fact that whomever donates to pay KF's salary is taking deductions that would otherwise provide some revenue for the State tax pool. That's my 1 and only point and for some reason, several of you guys have a problem with it. It's fact. Like it or not.
And I don't have a problem with the donation, the deduction or his salary. I have a problem when people say it doesn't come from the tax payers of Iowa. Some or part of it absolutely does.
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You are saying me donating money and taking a write off affects how much you pay in taxes. I disagree. I guess I won't say it absolutely has zero affect on it (although it very possibly might) but I think it affects it so little that it makes it a ridiculous statement to say that donations come from tax payers pockets.
 
PCHawk said:
You are saying me donating money and taking a write off affects how much you pay in taxes. I disagree. I guess I won't say it absolutely has zero affect on it (although it very possibly might) but I think it affects it so little that it makes it a ridiculous statement to say that donations come from tax payers pockets.
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No. . I didn't say that.
 
lightning1 said:
#1. I don't have a problem with anyone taking a legitimate tax deduction. So take your "liberal" insults and jam them in your rear.
#2. You're so stupid, you don't even comprehend the basis of the discussion, so I will spell it out for you.....slowly.
Anyone donating money towards KF's salary, and then taking a legitimate tax deduction, qualifies as paying KF's salary with money that effects the State tax revenue pool.
You got your head so fouled up and brainwashed from political news shows, that you believe this is some lib vs Con argument. IT'S NOT!! So go back to MSNBC/FoxNews or whatever shit stain that occupies the space between your ears. Or learn to frickin read.
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Like I said... circular liberal bullshit logic. Not a scintilla of fact in the whole wasted post.

Not paying taxes does not equal taking money from the taxpayer pool. Pure nonsense.

But you're welcome to the last word... however foolish it is sure to be.
 
Hawknigh said:
So, does anybody believe that all these family members are the "best" available for the jobs?

Only if being part of the family is a qualification.
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Define best. best at what? Do we only hire the absolute best? How do we go about determining who those people are?

Do I think B. Ferentz is the best ass't coach on the planet? Probably not. But I believe that he earns every dime he's paid and has done a stellar job. The new guy... the son-in-law... again... worked here once before then went out and proved himself elsewhere. Is he the very best at what he does? I have no idea. I think he'll do a good job and earn his salary. That's all we have a right to ask for.
 
BlindDogScooter said:
Like I said... circular liberal bullshit logic. Not a scintilla of fact in the whole wasted post.

Not paying taxes does not equal taking money from the taxpayer pool. Pure nonsense.

But you're welcome to the last word... however foolish it is sure to be.
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Are you still talking, moron?
 
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