Perhaps a stupid question, but does Kirk communicate with Brian/Nate with the offensive play calling? I don't see that happening during a game. When a time out is called, Kirk seems out of the circle of the decisions and call. So if we accuse Kirk of "taking the gas off the pedal" during a game with a lead, is that even feasible? If Kirk has overall play calling authority, how does he do it?
Kirk/Brian in game play calling
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IIRC, KF usually has a headset on, not all the time, but that seems to be the case. Usually the head coach is making in game decisions or going for it on 4th down or punting, going for a onside kick, decision on the coin flip and which direction to take in the 3rd qtr, going for a 2 pt conversion, accepting or declining penalties, etc. Those are head coaching decisions as they should be and assistants can talk in the head coaches ear.
The head coach may say what kind of play they want to run but I think most coaches whose OC and DC call their own game let their coordinators decide the specifics of each play.
The head coach may say what kind of play they want to run but I think most coaches whose OC and DC call their own game let their coordinators decide the specifics of each play.
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hahahah, that will never happen. PP's would have to be bleeped constantly.
Fryowa
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Mary is up in the box.
Thanks, I wonder if Kirk is less involved than many of us assume.
Kirk has said that he listens to play calls going in and has veto power over them.
RobHowe
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Kirk has said he spends most of his time during the week in the offensive meetings helping with that game plan. Phil and the D work off of that plan but don’t get much input from the head coach.
Kirk also has said that he leaves the play calling to his coordinators during the game. He will step in where he sees fit.
Kirk also has said that he leaves the play calling to his coordinators during the game. He will step in where he sees fit.
Motigerhawk
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Interesting. And look at the data concerning those 2 units.
eveningnewsteam
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I’ve been down there before. KF only gets involved when he wants someone in the game at a certain point, he doesn’t call plays. When Sargent went in down by the goal line at the end of the half, guaranteed KF told Brian to put Sargent in.
He does the same thing with the oline rotation. KF says who he wants in the game.
He does the same thing with the oline rotation. KF says who he wants in the game.
Hmmmm, evidence seems to indicate that the idea of Kirk actively "taking the air out of the ball" and for example, intentionally calling running play, after running play into a 9 man front isn't accurate. Perhaps Brian is not the "puppet" he is made out to be. Watching Iowa, it just seems the offense is so "muzzled" much of the time. Perhaps it is Brian with a dose of "don't take chances and screw it up" Kirk, hovering about.
Yeah, I would like to know what KF thought when in the first drive against Minny and it was 4th and 1 at about the MInny 33 yard line BF dialed up an empty backfield 5 receiver set.
KF - "What, Brian where is the power football, you are not going to call another QB draw are you?"
BF - "Dad I got this, Nate is loose and he is going to hit this pass"
KF after the play succeeds to Weiting - "Good job son".
Personnally I was astounded the way Nate has been burrowing for 3 yards average on QB sneaks that we didnt have Nate under center sneaking with a fullback and running back and Hback pushing him forward.
I wonder if there is an official stat for QB sneaks, 4th down, YPC?
kameltoez102
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The X factor is when Nate is audibles in and out of plays. How often is this happening? How often is he taking the hot read if he sees one on one outside on the WRs or checking down to runs because of the numbers on the D front? It would be interesting to see how often he checks into a more successful play versus a dud or if BF ever gets pissed because he doesn't run the play that was called.
I know it has been discussed and other coaches have said as much that they run certain plays on defense because they know what we check down to.
Do the coaches give too much flexibility to the QB? I think it is safe to say that BF or KF would never call Stanley out in public if he is making poor decisions during the game.
I know it has been discussed and other coaches have said as much that they run certain plays on defense because they know what we check down to.
Do the coaches give too much flexibility to the QB? I think it is safe to say that BF or KF would never call Stanley out in public if he is making poor decisions during the game.
1980HAWKFAN
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Interesting.....I wonder what causes Kirk to step in? I guess it could go like this," Time to slow this passing attack down Brian now that we have the lead...run me them stretch plays kid" or maybe Kirk is telling him, " Good God kid one more of those damn stretch plays to the short side and you're grounded....throw me some slants over the middle to that Tracy kid ...let's see what he can do.
SteveGarvey1
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Does Kirk veto more play calls or refresh his chewing gum more? Think there are 3 chewing gum changes a game so I'll side with that.
I think Iowa runs a scripted offensive play set more often then people realize. It's not talked about a ton, but scripted offensive plays are fairly common from HS through high levels of college football (unsure about NFL...). This does NOT mean that every play is scripted. Far from it. Rather, I think Iowa uses scripted plays in very controlled situations, and not every time, in these situations. The best example is the opening drive to start each half.
As fans, we all want to dive into the topic of "play calling". But the concept of the offensive football savant genius play caller OC... is a little bit of a myth. The Sean McVays of the game are a bit misleading to how offensive play calling actually works.
I was in Madison for game two weeks ago and remember a specific 3rd quarter play that hinted of a play-script. About halfway through the 3rd quarter, Iowa got the ball off a Wisconsin punt.
- 1st down: incomplete to Nico Ragaini. Stanley threw him a short ball, into traffic. Nagaini got lit up and seemingly got the wind knocked out of him. He had to come out of the game.
- 2nd down: quick snap bubble screen to Max Cooper (subbed in for Nico Ragaini). Tackled right away for 3 yard loss. (Iowa ends up punting)
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DDThompson
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I’d be curious to know how many times defenses bait Iowa into doing just that. I don’t know if that is discoverable.
