KF Supporters & KF Non-Supporters and your job

[Eda]

I refuse to be one upped, please hold off on voting until tomorrow to give me time to top this.

I highly doubt you'll be able to come up with anything anywhere near as stupid as the OP has (and that's not a slight to your creative capabilities).

I believe you have a shot at winning via name recognition. OK4P carries some clout around here.

With that... Good luck.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

The catch is how do you define success? If you look at IOWA football from a strictly financial standpoint, KFz is very successful. Though how much of the financial aspect can be attributed to the Head Coach is open to debate. On the other hand, if you look at Wins and Losses as a measure...he's only "above average" (57% or one game over .500 at 7-5). And he has "blown more easy deals" than many Board of Directors would stand for.

But the football to business analogy doesn't connect perfectly...sports is a unique animal.

I once got canned from a sales job despite being a model employee and having the personal support of virtually everybody I worked with. As my boss put it, just being a nice guy isn't enough. At IOWA, being a "nice guy" and an above average employee...at least in football... may be.

 

[thetrza]

Obviously, the OP is a government worker like a teacher or a social worker who is not held accountable for the quality of the threads they create.

 

[mccarthyizm]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict those who still think KF can "fix this" are probably not in positions of management/ownership or have any direct say/input in the financial performance of a private enterprises.

Government workers, teachers, etc. IE your performance or lack thereof, reaps no financial benefit to you or your employer. You are unaccountable in your position.

Under any normal circumstance KF would be terminated for dereliction of duty. He is the Ron Johnson of college football and the team is JC Penney.

This reminds me of a thread from several years ago where an OP declared that most Iowa fans have low expectations but that he personally demanded more of the program because he "owned his own business plus a boat."

 

[cecilB]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict those who still think KF can "fix this" are probably not in positions of management/ownership or have any direct say/input in the financial performance of a private enterprises.

Government workers, teachers, etc. IE your performance or lack thereof, reaps no financial benefit to you or your employer. You are unaccountable in your position.

Under any normal circumstance KF would be terminated for dereliction of duty. He is the Ron Johnson of college football and the team is JC Penney.

Disagree. From a sample of posters I know, the ones that make money and experience complexity in their work generally support the program... frustrated with the O, yes, but so is KF. The guys that are jealous of the money and have simpler, less taxing work, ***** more. Small sample size of 12 posters.

 

[Golfer]

Funny, I was just talking to the guy that owns Rudy's Tacos today. I see what you mean.

 

[HawkIMalaise]

Bout what I thought. No one with any facts to back up my assertion that Kirk would have been canned if he was at some sort of private corporation where sales and growth are of the utmost importance. Other than a blip in 08-09, the program has been irrelevant since GW was in his first term.
All this crap about his loyalty. He played the university like a violin. We are the laughing stock of the NCAA. His contract is a complete joke.

 

[HawkIMalaise]

This reminds me of a thread from several years ago where an OP declared that most Iowa fans have low expectations but that he personally demanded more of the program because he "owned his own business plus a boat."

Poast fail. I never said that

 

[Hawknick]

He makes the university money and I'm no communist!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uzbruyrCRE

 

[HawkIMalaise]

I also didn't know that bowl games and championships were based on the profitability of an athletic department. Barney Fife could be are head coach and it wouldn't put the athletic department in the red.

 

[thetrza]

The Athletic Department actually finds a way to lose money on bowl games, god help us if we make the B1G Championship Game or the playoffs. But you seem to think a guy who makes money for the university wouldn't be successful at business. So there is that.

 

[thetrza]

total revenues were 61 million in 2005, and 107 million in 2013, so obviously nobody in the B1G understands how money works.

 

[Bluesman]

I think you are absolutely wrong. And to address your attempted slight in your lead-in, there's a 99% chance I have a better job and make a lot more money than you. Or I am lying with the protection of the anonymous message board.

Look at the value of the Iowa football franchise since Ferentz arrived. Look at the state of the facilities, revenue, etc. Iowa football is massively successful. He's won B1G championships and a BCS bowl. He's been to two BCS bowls. He's finished in the top 10 many times (in a row). He is a class act, by all accounts. He has been loyal to Iowa at many times when he was the hot coaching prospect at the pro and college level. He is lauded by college and pro people time and again.

On the down side, he has a bad recent record of performance. The offense is head-scratchingly bad. But the program is relevant and profitable. Iowa is a tiny state. This is not USC or Ohio State. Feel free to fall back into the old retort that acknowledging that Iowa has inherent disadvantages is a) wrong and/or b) a bad excuse.

His on-field performance since 2010 has been mediocre or bad. Iowa fans are frustrated. Many say dumb things as a result of this. Your post is an example.

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Iowa football isn't relevant. We're just another ho hum team in a crappy conference. We're Minnesota, or Indiana; nobody outside of Iowa pays any attention to us, unless it's to write stories about how we can afford to fire our grossly overpaid and under performing coach.

Top 10 finishes? Yes he has 4 of them in 15 years; however 3 of them occurred between 2002-2004. He has exactly one top 10 finish post 2004 and in fact has finished the season ranked only twice post 2004. He's made a fortune and engendered far too much good will based on the 3 seasons of 2002-2004; that was a decade ago.

His bad performance isn't "recent." Remember 2005-2007? Iowa has had ONE double digit win season in the last 9 years; during that same general time frame Bret Bielema had 4 of them in 7 years at Wisconsin and I don't think anyone is calling him a legend up in Madison. I think it's safe to say that Kirk Ferentz falls far short of legendary status. People with your mindset are what keep this program mediocre.

Not that any of this matters because no changes are going to be made for a long time. BAU until 2020.

 

[thetrza]

Hayden Fry actually had two top-ten finishes at Iowa, and one at SMU, and never finished higher than 9th in any final poll. But fans like to remember things differently because he threw the ball more and had better early season top-ten ranked teams.

 

[imported_ankle23]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict those who still think KF can "fix this" are probably not in positions of management/ownership or have any direct say/input in the financial performance of a private enterprises.

Government workers, teachers, etc. IE your performance or lack thereof, reaps no financial benefit to you or your employer. You are unaccountable in your position.

Under any normal circumstance KF would be terminated for dereliction of duty. He is the Ron Johnson of college football and the team is JC Penney.

you are 100% incorrect. football drives the athletic department, and the athletic department overachieves in revenue.

and yes, i am in a position of 'ownership' and understand that he is lining the 'business' in green, and is a major feather in the cap of the business of the university of iowa, it if were a business as you are describing.

you are a major troll, and tiresome.

 

[gohawkz]

Many rich people are stupid. I'm not joking, they are left money by their rich parents and they just live out their lives running the business.

Not sure if you're trolling or are just not smart, but the rich, powerful Iowa boosters don't give a **** about Iowa actually winning, because if they did they would quit writing checks and Ferentz would be gone tomorrow.

They don't care, he's still here.

 

[lightning1]

I think you are absolutely wrong. And to address your attempted slight in your lead-in, there's a 99% chance I have a better job and make a lot more money than you. Or I am lying with the protection of the anonymous message board.

Look at the value of the Iowa football franchise since Ferentz arrived. Look at the state of the facilities, revenue, etc. Iowa football is massively successful. He's won B1G championships and a BCS bowl. He's been to two BCS bowls. He's finished in the top 10 many times (in a row). He is a class act, by all accounts. He has been loyal to Iowa at many times when he was the hot coaching prospect at the pro and college level. He is lauded by college and pro people time and again.

On the down side, he has a bad recent record of performance. The offense is head-scratchingly bad. But the program is relevant and profitable. Iowa is a tiny state. This is not USC or Ohio State. Feel free to fall back into the old retort that acknowledging that Iowa has inherent disadvantages is a) wrong and/or b) a bad excuse.

His on-field performance since 2010 has been mediocre or bad. Iowa fans are frustrated. Many say dumb things as a result of this. Your post is an example.

You're a little short sighted in your analysis. If the BTN did not exist, Barta and KF would be pandering to the masses to try and get that 1 million dollars in unsold season ticket sale (estimated). Just because ESPN screwed up and emboldened Delany to start the BTN, doesn't make Barta/KF visionaries.

 

[theboat]

You're a little short sighted in your analysis. If the BTN did not exist, Barta and KF would be pandering to the masses to try and get that 1 million dollars in unsold season ticket sale (estimated). Just because ESPN screwed up and emboldened Delany to start the BTN, doesn't make Barta/KF visionaries.

Have you seen the Kurt BTN commercials? Not awkward at all. He can claim credit for prolly half the BTN.

 

[HawkIMalaise]

you are 100% incorrect. football drives the athletic department, and the athletic department overachieves in revenue.

and yes, i am in a position of 'ownership' and understand that he is lining the 'business' in green, and is a major feather in the cap of the business of the university of iowa, it if were a business as you are describing.

you are a major troll, and tiresome.

So you admit that basically, because there is nothing else to support in the state, and that Iowa's success or lack thereof (W-L) has nothing to do with our athletic dept. funds?

Given Iowa is dead last in endowments of all Big 10 schools, dead last in Big 10 championships, that speaks volumes of the complete retards who must be donating to the athletic department.

 

[Knight78]

Bout what I thought. No one with any facts to back up my assertion that Kirk would have been canned if he was at some sort of private corporation where sales and growth are of the utmost importance. Other than a blip in 08-09, the program has been irrelevant since GW was in his first term.
All this crap about his loyalty. He played the university like a violin. We are the laughing stock of the NCAA. His contract is a complete joke.

Haven't many posters here said that the Iowa football team brings in the $$$$ for the athletic department? If that's not sales.... well, I guess I don't know sales as I'm an IT guy. (And sales guys rarely comprehend or appreciate my job until one of their systems goes down)

Haven't other posters here said said that Iowa football is in the top 25 of wins since 1990? I'd hardly call that a "laughing stock". Of course, you are entitled to your opinion.

Yeah, I'm frustrated with the offense. Our bad offense helps to put our defense on the field more and that's not good. But traditionally Kirk's teams have been slow out of the gate. And so he is 7-9 against Iowa State. How many bowl games has Iowa State been to compared to Iowa in those 15 years (not including this year, but we know how ISU will do). Kirk has led Iowa to 11 bowl games. In that same time frame, ISU has been to 5 (all in the McCarney era).

Right now we are 2-1. Let's not panic just yet.