Keno, Lick, McDerm and Franny... why does mid-major success not translate?

hawkfan33 said:
LOL just like Indiana was not a rebuilding job when Crean took over, right? What the **** do results from seven years before a coach took over have to do with the quality of the program they are inheriting?
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7 years before? Try 3. Nice try.

Was Sienna under NCAA sanctions? Where they limited scholarships? Nope. They were a program with respect out east that had success 2 years before Fran got there.

How did Fran do at UNC Greensboro? Took a good program and sustain it for a couple years before they started failing and then he left for Sienna.
 
Cyclones17 said:
7 years before? Try 3. Nice try.

Was Sienna under NCAA sanctions? Where they limited scholarships? Nope. They were a program with respect out east that had success 2 years before Fran got there.

How did Fran do at UNC Greensboro? Took a good program and sustain it for a couple years before they started failing and then he left for Sienna.
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LOL Yeah you're the one who brought up 7 years dumb ***. And unless you consider finishing 14-16 and on a 10 game losing streak a success, then no they didn't have success two years before Fran was there.

You're embarrasing all clown fans with your argument, and that is an impressive feat.
 
Cyclones17 said:
7 years before? Try 3. Nice try.

Was Sienna under NCAA sanctions? Where they limited scholarships? Nope. They were a program with respect out east that had success 2 years before Fran got there.

How did Fran do at UNC Greensboro? Took a good program and sustain it for a couple years before they started failing and then he left for Sienna.
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Siena had 1 winning season in the 4 years immediately prior to Fran. And that success was 3 years before, not 2.

Hewitt had be gone for 5 years by the time McCaffery got there.

Fran put up four-straight 20-win seasons in year 2-5.

Yeah, it wasn't like he was taking over a total wasteland, but you're misrepresenting their good fortune a bit too.

Heading into Fran's years
(01-02) 17-19
(02-03) 21-11
(03-04) 14-16
(04-05) 6-24
Not exactly an upward, rosy trend.
 
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hawkeyeguy85 said:
Siena had 1 winning season in the 4 years immediately prior to Fran.

Hewitt had be gone for 5 years by the time McCaffery got there.

Fran put up four-straight 20-win seasons in year 2-5.

Yeah, it wasn't like he was taking over a total wasteland, but you're misrepresenting their good fortune a bit too.

Heading into Fran's years
(01-02) 17-19
(02-03) 21-11
(03-04) 14-16
(04-05) 6-24
Not exactly an upward, rosy trend.
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They might have lost 34 of their past 40 games before Fran got there but they were good five years ago. Thus not a rebuilding project.

Hey Jerry Kill you're taking over a terrible Minnesota team but guess what you guys won some national titles before, thus not a rebuilding project.
 
Boy it must be instate week because all of the little brothers and cousins are grasping at straws to prop themselves and attack our program and downplay our coach's past successes.
 
Cyclones17 said:
I'm not on his side. You just lack knowledge when you say Fran's resume is better than Lick's or McDermott's was.

McDermott's rebuilding job of UNI was more impressive than anything that anyone else on that list has done, and it meant jack at ISU.
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What a joke. Fran coming into Iowa, McDermott to ISU.

Fran 15 years D1 Head Coaching Experience. McDermott 5.

Fran 4x conference champion. McDermott 0.

Fran 251 career D1 wins. McDermott 90.

Fran 5 NCAA tourney appearances, 1 NIT, 3 different teams, two first round wins. McDermot 3 NCAA tourney appearances, 0 NIT, 1 Team, 0 first round wins.

Tell me again who has a better resume?
 
It is much more difficult to turn a Big Ten program around then a small D1, look at Crean and Indiana, you cant win in the large conferences without a lot of talent, Fran has a great group coming in but he will need back to back to back groups to turn this around, until then sit back and try to stay positive.
 
You have a nationally ranked recruiting class coming in next year and people are saying Fran can't get it done...really? Were one year and 9 games into it...and we got people writing Fran off already...wow
 
Comparing Fran win % to Lick like mentioned above is not realistic. Its like Hayden vs Bobby B. Hayden/Fran went to places to rebuild programs. Give him some time? Failure already is way harsh.
 
DuffMan said:
What a joke. Fran coming into Iowa, McDermott to ISU.

Fran 15 years D1 Head Coaching Experience. McDermott 5.

Fran 4x conference champion. McDermott 0.

Fran 251 career D1 wins. McDermott 90.

Fran 5 NCAA tourney appearances, 1 NIT, 3 different teams, two first round wins. McDermot 3 NCAA tourney appearances, 0 NIT, 1 Team, 0 first round wins.

Tell me again who has a better resume?
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Devils Advocate.

McDermott did it at a higher level

McDermott turned around a program that hadn't been good in our lifetime and did it when the MVC was perhaps the best it's been in decades.

Fran turned a good UNC Greensboro team into a below average one by the time he left.

Let's be honest Sienna and UNC Greensboro aren't Butler or UNI. The difference in competition is huge. Their resumes are similiar
 
I can only assume that the 9 in the op name is his age (or perhaps sports IQ).

Can't we just all ignore Cyclone 17? He really has nothing of worth to add.

Hawkforce, I assume you lay awake at night trying to figure out your next stupid post. Give it a rest boy. No one takes you seriously.
 
Cyclones17 said:
Devils Advocate.

McDermott did it at a higher level

McDermott turned around a program that hadn't been good in our lifetime and did it when the MVC was perhaps the best it's been in decades.

Fran turned a good UNC Greensboro team into a below average one by the time he left.

Let's be honest Sienna and UNC Greensboro aren't Butler or UNI. The difference in competition is huge. Their resumes are similiar
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U R Teh Sofa King!
 
Benddontbreak said:
He really left the Siena program in shambles too..... Oh wait he came to Iowa fresh off three straight MAAC titles and making it the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney 2 out of 3 years.
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Just like Todd Lickliter

And Greg McDermott

Which is what this thread is about and than Duff said that Fran's resume is so much better. Not really. He's older and thus has a bit more experience but his resume is no more impressive than Todd's or Greg's when they took over the programs they did.

Hell Todd was coach of the year! He left Butler pretty good too.
 
Siena's record by year:

Without Fran:
2004-2005 - 6-24 only a handful of scholarship players stayed after coach was fired.

Fran arrives:
2005-2006 - 15-13 (10-8) after being picked to finish last in conf.
2006-2007 - 20-12 (12-6)
2007-2008 - 23-11 (13-5) MAAC Champions, 2nd round Ncaa tourney
2008-2009 - 27-8 (16-2) MAAC Champions, 2nd round Ncaa tourney
2009-2010 - 27-7 (17-1) MAAC Champions, 1st round Ncaa tourney
Fran leaves
 
Benddontbreak said:
Siena's record by year:

Without Fran:
2004-2005 - 6-24 only a handful of scholarship players stayed after coach was fired.

Fran arrives:
2005-2006 - 15-13 (10-8) after being picked to finish last in conf.
2006-2007 - 20-12 (12-6)
2007-2008 - 23-11 (13-5) MAAC Champions, 2nd round Ncaa tourney
2008-2009 - 27-8 (16-2) MAAC Champions, 2nd round Ncaa tourney
2009-2010 - 27-7 (17-1) MAAC Champions, 1st round Ncaa tourney
Fran leaves
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Compare that to what Greg did at UNI in a better conference. It's the exact same. Except UNI was traditionally worse. That's the point of the thread. Duff thinks Fran's resume blows out Greg's. It doesn't. It's the exact same!
 
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