Ken O'Keefe Raves Over Nate Stanley's Leadership Skills
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HawkPrdatr40
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That’s very Interesting, considering what happened in all the Really important games this season. Lots of very poor decisions. I’m going to guess not a lot of HN Visitors will buy what KOK is saying.
RobHowe
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I don’t think he or Nate care.
smhawk
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As they shouldn't. But leadership skills aren't something that are only on display in the locker room or practice.
Fans and scouts seen him he performed in that penn state game, and how he never really bounced back in that game. Poor clock management or not taking a timeout when needed aren't usually something you see in good leaders either.
Hes got a great arm, maybe nice guy, and nice teammate. But idk about great leader...
Leader lol? What else is KOK going to say? He sucks as a leader? No. He is the qb coach so he has to make it sound like he is doing something. Fact of the matter is Stanely looked good against the nobodies, and not good against the teams that had a faint pulse. Great leaders don't look like a deer in the headlights game after game. I'm sure Nate says all the right things, and does all the right things in practice like KF likes, but when it matters, not so much.
tweeterhawk
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GesterHawk
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Surprised?
MoseSchrute
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I never liked O'keefe.
HawkU
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Hmm - you're the OP. How long have you been doing this? But I digress. Controversy sells. Gotta get those clicks. And yes - I'll own it. You got me too.
RobHowe
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Ah, the click-bait charge. Very original. Bravo.
HawkPrdatr40
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I would figure your right and wasn’t my point to think they would. Just saying! This is still a message board? Isn’t?
I’m just think many will disagree with KOK assessment of Mr. Stanley! Nothing like a good headline to Grab my attention though.. Very nice work Rob!
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AreWeThereYet
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I am afraid that with the longest running coach in the division 1 football, you also get the longest running split in opinions over whether the o'l ball coach should remain or go. We've long passed the point where we have entrenched camps at either end. We've also passed the point where those opposed really can't enjoy the game anymore because of their over all opinion of how things are run. That isn't an absolute, but for many here it does boil down to those who want the coaching staff to leave, those that are ardent supporters, and those of us who still want to enjoy the damn game despite the program's limitations and shortcomings. Unfortunately, we've come to the point where we can't discuss anything around here anymore without it getting framed as some sort of judgement against the staff.
hawkdrummer1
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Nor should they. But if it was tweeted by a family member it might get KFz's attention.
HawkeyeWalker
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Yep. And it's pretty much the world now.
In social media and message boards it's a zero sum world. It bothers me but yet here I am.
NS has struggled at times, but hes also shown leadership and had very good moments. Hes the face of the offense so he takes heat, even when he shouldn't.
I was really down on him for the PSU game, but other than game he was good enough for Iowa to be ar least 10-2. Hell, we are very likely a kicked ball vs Wisc and a timeout called vs PU at the goalline away from 10-2.
I also think he'll be better next year. But we'll see.
Go Hawks.
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lightning1
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I don't see how anyone can question NS's leadership skills. If they are, they're not being honest. I haven't seen anyone on the offense that looks like they've quit during the games.
BigD
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I am sure he is a good kid. He just needs to treat each game with the same attitude so he can stay loose instead of playing uptight in the big games. Maybe next season we will see this happen since he really doesn’t have much to lose at this point.
Leadership also doesn’t always reflect in winning the game. The coach maybe be talking about off the field behavior or in the classroom behavior. Those are where the rubber meets the raid for most of our players since over ninty percent of them will never be playing on Sundays anyways. The kids are who they are and what there abilities are. Ragging on them isn’t going to change that.
Now the coaches and the AD are a totally different subject as they are getting paid hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars to put a successful program together. Obviously success is in the eye of the beholder. One may look at the pay scale of the coaches and AD and expect wins on the field. Others may look at other things like just being competitive and having players stay off the police blotter and graduate with degrees.
Of course we all know this and it seems at times the two sides are butting heads with each other on the forums. I happen to think a good clean program is very important, but that reaching for the stars should happen once in a while also. The problem is that the stars aren’t being reached often enough and that the defenders of the mediocre program then more toward off the field results to mask the lack of high success on the field. God help them to ever admit that they got it wrong and have to swallow their pride openly on this forum.
I figure it really is going to come to a head next season. Kirk has to put up next year and the same could be said about Fran also. Of course I am referring to on the field success. It seems that both coaches have done pretty well in regards to off the field issues. Yes, a few bad apples caused some distractions but when you consider the hundreds of student athletes that have come and gone over the years you really have to give credit where credit is due.
My gripe is that there should be a few more peaks and a lot less mediocre valleys when it comes to the on the field successes. I am about as a leveled headed person you will ever meet. I try to be fair. When I look at all the great men and women who serve our great nation and the risk they take as police officers, firemen, military personnel, nurses, school teachers, and salary they get paid and compare it to what these college coaches get paid I just shake my head. Most of the time this is recognized and so you see a high turn over in these positions EXCEPT at the University of Iowa.
Is this because of a higher values we place on off the field behavior over just the entertainment and revenue side of athletics, or is this just an excuse used because of poor on the field results? More than likely if you are reading my comments then winning is important to you. The passive sports fans probably don’t even bother to read on the sports forums. It really comes down to how much winning and losing one can tolerate. I am ok with 7-5 seasons here and there, but to have the same results year in and year out and accept that is a little difficult for me.
That’s why I say for me anyways that next season is going to be a watershed year for me. The “oh we are a young team” excuse will not be a viable one. If it’s just another “whelp that’s football” type of results next season then I will find something more enjoyable to spend my times on than watching what could labeled as a display of immoral and unethical behavior by all involved in the athletic department at the University of Iowa.
Leadership also doesn’t always reflect in winning the game. The coach maybe be talking about off the field behavior or in the classroom behavior. Those are where the rubber meets the raid for most of our players since over ninty percent of them will never be playing on Sundays anyways. The kids are who they are and what there abilities are. Ragging on them isn’t going to change that.
Now the coaches and the AD are a totally different subject as they are getting paid hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars to put a successful program together. Obviously success is in the eye of the beholder. One may look at the pay scale of the coaches and AD and expect wins on the field. Others may look at other things like just being competitive and having players stay off the police blotter and graduate with degrees.
Of course we all know this and it seems at times the two sides are butting heads with each other on the forums. I happen to think a good clean program is very important, but that reaching for the stars should happen once in a while also. The problem is that the stars aren’t being reached often enough and that the defenders of the mediocre program then more toward off the field results to mask the lack of high success on the field. God help them to ever admit that they got it wrong and have to swallow their pride openly on this forum.
I figure it really is going to come to a head next season. Kirk has to put up next year and the same could be said about Fran also. Of course I am referring to on the field success. It seems that both coaches have done pretty well in regards to off the field issues. Yes, a few bad apples caused some distractions but when you consider the hundreds of student athletes that have come and gone over the years you really have to give credit where credit is due.
My gripe is that there should be a few more peaks and a lot less mediocre valleys when it comes to the on the field successes. I am about as a leveled headed person you will ever meet. I try to be fair. When I look at all the great men and women who serve our great nation and the risk they take as police officers, firemen, military personnel, nurses, school teachers, and salary they get paid and compare it to what these college coaches get paid I just shake my head. Most of the time this is recognized and so you see a high turn over in these positions EXCEPT at the University of Iowa.
Is this because of a higher values we place on off the field behavior over just the entertainment and revenue side of athletics, or is this just an excuse used because of poor on the field results? More than likely if you are reading my comments then winning is important to you. The passive sports fans probably don’t even bother to read on the sports forums. It really comes down to how much winning and losing one can tolerate. I am ok with 7-5 seasons here and there, but to have the same results year in and year out and accept that is a little difficult for me.
That’s why I say for me anyways that next season is going to be a watershed year for me. The “oh we are a young team” excuse will not be a viable one. If it’s just another “whelp that’s football” type of results next season then I will find something more enjoyable to spend my times on than watching what could labeled as a display of immoral and unethical behavior by all involved in the athletic department at the University of Iowa.
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ottoman89
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Well, he’s obviously not going to go out and say that he’s a poor leader, etc. I’d expect his coach to say this.
However, his body language, and his performance in games against greater than or equal too opponents suggests otherwise. That he’s not a great, or even good leader.
For the record, it seemed like all year that this team really lacked leadership offensively.
However, his body language, and his performance in games against greater than or equal too opponents suggests otherwise. That he’s not a great, or even good leader.
For the record, it seemed like all year that this team really lacked leadership offensively.
lightning1
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His personal performance shortcomings have nothing to do with leadership. Not in my opinion.
