Joshua Lewis Chooses Hawkeyes

Amen and Amen!

Get a top 50 player. 47th right? So a good question here would be what Big Ten teams swept up 46, 45, 44, 43, 42, 41………………. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 (BYU) effing BYU. Think about it seriously when looking at the B1G picture.

Speaking of BYU, someone at the top has made a serious commitment to winning. A year ago, they hired Kevin Young as head coach, who at the time was the associate head coach of the Phoenix Suns and was interviewing for head caching jobs in the NBA when he got hired by BYU.

Young was born in Utah and Is Mormon and has the famous last Mormon name. One of his coaching stops was as head coach of the Iowa Energy for a couple years.

If the Mormon church opened up the vault for NIL, they could have some serious money to spend on recruiting. They evidently want to compete at a high level.
 
These last games have been as bad as I’ve seen as a fan at Iowa. Makes me want to stop watching. But it’s hard, it’s in my DNA. I saw the Utah St game in person and I remember telling my wife, “this is one Fran’s worst teams”. … so I kind of knew early on. But maybe they figure it out down the stetch. Fran has made tweaks in the past that have worked. I’ll watch either way, and we’ll see where things sit at the end of the year. I’ve over reacted more than 100 times on Iowa hoops, I’m a fan.
I remember you and I feeling pretty optimistic about the "paper skill" - even athleticism - of this team as it fit Fran's style. Where we differed early on was, I saw first hand at exhibition that this team was horrible at rebounding.

I would still disagree a bit with you about "one of Fran's worst" and tweak to "one of Fran's worst underperforming, unreliable teams". They have good shooters that just don't seem to translate to games - especially at the most inopportune times. On paper, 50% overall and 39.1% from 3 are solid numbers but they are skewed by so much feast / famine.
I think, Ut State - Very winnable game. Shooters go 2-20 from 3.
Minny - Inexcusable loss. Shooters go 1-14:

When you already know they are pretty bad at defense (no news flash for any Fran team, there) and are usually gonna get outrebounded (a glaring hole this year) they can't compound it by their shooters failing so badly at their role.
 
Speaking of BYU, someone at the top has made a serious commitment to winning. A year ago, they hired Kevin Young as head coach, who at the time was the associate head coach of the Phoenix Suns and was interviewing for head caching jobs in the NBA when he got hired by BYU.

Young was born in Utah and Is Mormon and has the famous last Mormon name. One of his coaching stops was as head coach of the Iowa Energy for a couple years.

If the Mormon church opened up the vault for NIL, they could have some serious money to spend on recruiting. They evidently want to compete at a high level.

Brigham had multiple wives and his offspring is all over America

The new Netflix series American Primeval is a very good series, literally couldn't stop watching it
takes place in Utah around the birth of the Mormonism


Definitely Worth a Watch

Rather Grim but extremely authentic

Jim Bridger is one of the characters and makes the show better
 
Brigham had multiple wives and his offspring is all over America

The new Netflix series American Primeval is a very good series, literally couldn't stop watching it
takes place in Utah around the birth of the Mormonism


Definitely Worth a Watch

Rather Grim but extremely authentic

Jim Bridger is one of the characters and makes the show better

I've watched American Primeval already and it is pretty good, very violent.

But it doesn't take place at the birth of Mormonism, rather after the Mormons were driven out of Illinois and made their way to Utah wanting to develop a land where they could coexist without outside influence.
 
This is not a black and white thing, but Fran's recruiting seems to have taken a sharp turn recently - athletes vs shooters.

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Its kind of a black/white thing or why would you need to post the pictures? :)

It is a regular occurrence during the recent past of the Fran era to have all 5 guys on the floor be white and even to start 5 white guys occasionally. You don't see that many other places in major college hoops. Is what it is.
 
Its kind of a black/white thing or why would you need to post the pictures? :)

It is a regular occurrence during the recent past of the Fran era to have all 5 guys on the floor be white and even to start 5 white guys occasionally. You don't see that many other places in major college hoops. Is what it is.
No, i put the pictures of them all up because these are his last recruits, I didn't leave any of the white guys off right? Also, if you look at each players profile, you will see that there is more athleticism, speed and size in his last several recruits, where as leading up to recently, most of Fran's recruits were tall, lanky players with high upside shooting vs. athleticism.

Nothing to do with black or white/
 
I remember you and I feeling pretty optimistic about the "paper skill" - even athleticism - of this team as it fit Fran's style. Where we differed early on was, I saw first hand at exhibition that this team was horrible at rebounding.

I would still disagree a bit with you about "one of Fran's worst" and tweak to "one of Fran's worst underperforming, unreliable teams". They have good shooters that just don't seem to translate to games - especially at the most inopportune times. On paper, 50% overall and 39.1% from 3 are solid numbers but they are skewed by so much feast / famine.
I think, Ut State - Very winnable game. Shooters go 2-20 from 3.
Minny - Inexcusable loss. Shooters go 1-14:

When you already know they are pretty bad at defense (no news flash for any Fran team, there) and are usually gonna get outrebounded (a glaring hole this year) they can't compound it by their shooters failing so badly at their role.
There is the apathy that many of the fans have since they are not die hards so they don't wipe the slate clean every season. Truth be told there is gonna be the games they should win but don't, the inconsistency, the lack of rebounding and defense. They would have lost to Minny last year if Garcia didn't get hurt so I saw it coming a mile away this year. They oddly match up well with Indiana so saw that win a mile away. I think it should become clear by now that the team ends up behaving and doing the same things regardless of the talent so I don't get excited by it as much as okay but the results will be the same in the end as per usual. You can get into a player and their play but team-wise very similar results over a long span.
 
There is the apathy that many of the fans have since they are not die hards so they don't wipe the slate clean every season. Truth be told there is gonna be the games they should win but don't, the inconsistency, the lack of rebounding and defense. They would have lost to Minny last year if Garcia didn't get hurt so I saw it coming a mile away this year. They oddly match up well with Indiana so saw that win a mile away. I think it should become clear by now that the team ends up behaving and doing the same things regardless of the talent so I don't get excited by it as much as okay but the results will be the same in the end as per usual. You can get into a player and their play but team-wise very similar results over a long span.
And not surprising, but it's fairly similar results that Iowa has had the previous 3 coaches as well. People like to mis-remember Mr. Davis's 11 and 12 win seasons because it doesn't fit their narrative with Fran. Basically this is what the Iowa program has been its entire existence. Again, you can point to a few key seasons here or there where the sun shined on a dog's ass. Throughout the history of Iowa basketball, by in large, Iowa has been stuck in that "every year, we're a bubble team trying to make it to the round of 16" throughout largely, most of its time of existence.

It sometimes just takes some honest eyes to see that Iowa has been chasing the same thing forever and has never found it outside of a few flashes of success. No one here also wants to recognize that coaches in the 80's didn't lose their best Jr.'s every season to either the NBA, or to wealthier schools with bags of money. Keegan and Kris Murray stay 4 years in the 1980's. Tyler Cook, Joe Wieskamp....they stay their senior years in the 80's and Iowa get's to see the fruit of it's labor the final year of their stars. Also, players like CJF, Isiah Moss, Tony Perkins etc. aren't leaving early to go get paid to play somewhere else when they are at the peak of their game.

When I look at the big picture and I look at Fran, I don't see a failure, I see pretty much in line with what most before him have been able to accomplish. We don't have a TON of success or history to leverage that Iowa is a better program than Fran is a coach.
 
Brigham had multiple wives and his offspring is all over America

The new Netflix series American Primeval is a very good series, literally couldn't stop watching it
takes place in Utah around the birth of the Mormonism


Definitely Worth a Watch

Rather Grim but extremely authentic

Jim Bridger is one of the characters and makes the show better
Watched it. The Jim Bridger character was my favorite. - Kinda “spoiler alert”: don’t stand too close if he is holding a shovel.
 
Speaking of BYU, someone at the top has made a serious commitment to winning. A year ago, they hired Kevin Young as head coach, who at the time was the associate head coach of the Phoenix Suns and was interviewing for head caching jobs in the NBA when he got hired by BYU.

Young was born in Utah and Is Mormon and has the famous last Mormon name. One of his coaching stops was as head coach of the Iowa Energy for a couple years.

If the Mormon church opened up the vault for NIL, they could have some serious money to spend on recruiting. They evidently want to compete at a high level.

Oh they have plenty of money. Approx 150 -300 billion in cash reserves alone.Thats spelt with a “B”. Easily over one trillion with land ownership and other major businesses they own or have made heavy investments in.

Two guys who “worked” for Zion’s Peak came out and spilled the beans on what the church is worth. One of the guys was on 60 minutes.

 
Speaking of BYU, someone at the top has made a serious commitment to winning. A year ago, they hired Kevin Young as head coach, who at the time was the associate head coach of the Phoenix Suns and was interviewing for head caching jobs in the NBA when he got hired by BYU.

Young was born in Utah and Is Mormon and has the famous last Mormon name. One of his coaching stops was as head coach of the Iowa Energy for a couple years.

If the Mormon church opened up the vault for NIL, they could have some serious money to spend on recruiting. They evidently want to compete at a high level.
BYU has their own version of Phil Knight to Oregon. Ryan Smith owns the Utah Jazz and the hockey team they're moving from Phoenix. If the Mormon Church isn't giving NIL $$, he is the next best thing.
 
And not surprising, but it's fairly similar results that Iowa has had the previous 3 coaches as well. People like to mis-remember Mr. Davis's 11 and 12 win seasons because it doesn't fit their narrative with Fran. Basically this is what the Iowa program has been its entire existence. Again, you can point to a few key seasons here or there where the sun shined on a dog's ass. Throughout the history of Iowa basketball, by in large, Iowa has been stuck in that "every year, we're a bubble team trying to make it to the round of 16" throughout largely, most of its time of existence.

It sometimes just takes some honest eyes to see that Iowa has been chasing the same thing forever and has never found it outside of a few flashes of success. No one here also wants to recognize that coaches in the 80's didn't lose their best Jr.'s every season to either the NBA, or to wealthier schools with bags of money. Keegan and Kris Murray stay 4 years in the 1980's. Tyler Cook, Joe Wieskamp....they stay their senior years in the 80's and Iowa get's to see the fruit of it's labor the final year of their stars. Also, players like CJF, Isiah Moss, Tony Perkins etc. aren't leaving early to go get paid to play somewhere else when they are at the peak of their game.

When I look at the big picture and I look at Fran, I don't see a failure, I see pretty much in line with what most before him have been able to accomplish. We don't have a TON of success or history to leverage that Iowa is a better program than Fran is a coach.
Get your gist and agree on some aspects, most notably, Iowa has always struggled with things like perimeter defense. However, when I recall the historical big picture, I still feel Fran has done less with more.
Admittedly, haven't broken down every roster under every coach - and recent memory sticks - but I look back at Davis and see 3 sweet 16s. Granted first were with Raveling recruits but his last was all his. All things equal, I think he achieved what should've been expected with his teams.
Just don't see the same with Fran when I feel he's had more than his share of top talent within the context of "Iowa". Sure, they may have left early, transferred, etc more than in the Davis era but they left at their peak. Why is it they still underachieved in the post season (and often during in-season stretches)?
I struggle to excuse Fran entirely for that.
I will say - again, just working off reminiscing on 40 years of watching Iowa bball - I feel Davis's talent was primarily Bigs. Outside of Luka, Fran's have been those tweeners / shooters, which can make or break.
 
Get your gist and agree on some aspects, most notably, Iowa has always struggled with things like perimeter defense. However, when I recall the historical big picture, I still feel Fran has done less with more.
Admittedly, haven't broken down every roster under every coach - and recent memory sticks - but I look back at Davis and see 3 sweet 16s. Granted first were with Raveling recruits but his last was all his. All things equal, I think he achieved what should've been expected with his teams.
Just don't see the same with Fran when I feel he's had more than his share of top talent within the context of "Iowa". Sure, they may have left early, transferred, etc more than in the Davis era but they left at their peak. Why is it they still underachieved in the post season (and often during in-season stretches)?
I struggle to excuse Fran entirely for that.
I will say - again, just working off reminiscing on 40 years of watching Iowa bball - I feel Davis's talent was primarily Bigs. Outside of Luka, Fran's have been those tweeners / shooters, which can make or break.

Sorry to see George Raveling go, he was a master recruiter

He handed Tom Davis one of the Hawkeyes best teams

Here is the team his last year at Iowa

1985–86 Iowa Hawkeyes men's basketball team

Even with this team he lost in the first round of The Dance to North Carolina State 64-66

F/C3Gerry Wright6 ft 7 in (2.01 m)JrSan Bernardino, California
G4Andre Banks6 ft 4 in (1.93 m)SrChicago, Illinois
G5Bart Casey6 ft 5 in (1.96 m)SoIowa City, Iowa
G10B. J. Armstrong6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)FrBloomfield Hills, Michigan
G11Michael Reaves6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)SoMilledgeville, Georgia
G/F14Bill Jones6 ft 7 in (2.01 m)SoDetroit, Michigan
G20Jeff Moe6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)SoIndianapolis, Indiana
G/F23Roy Marble6 ft 6 in (1.98 m)FrFlint, Michigan
G24Michael Morgan6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)SoHaughton, Louisiana
F25Ed Horton6 ft 8 in (2.03 m)FrSpringfield, Illinois
G/F35Kevin Gamble6 ft 5 in (1.96 m)JrSpringfield, Illinois
F40Kent Hill6 ft 6 in (1.98 m)SoWichita, Kansas
F44Al Lorenzen6 ft 9 in (2.06 m)SoCedar Rapids, Iowa
F/C54Brad Lohaus6 ft 11 in (2.11 m)RS JrPhoenix, Arizona
 
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