Exactly, I don't think there's another coach in the country who loses more games when favored by double digits. I don't have a problem losing to teams where we are clearly outclassed, but consistently losing to inferior teams is unacceptable (especially at Kinnick).
ITT....help me make up my mind about KF
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Exactly, I don't think there's another coach in the country who loses more games when favored by double digits. I don't have a problem losing to teams where we are clearly outclassed, but consistently losing to inferior teams is unacceptable (especially at Kinnick).
1-Forget all the noise about how much KF gets paid. If you’re not happy with seven wins, it shouldn’t matter whether he gets paid $4 million or $250K. Losing to ISU, Minnesota and CMU wouldn’t hurt less if he got paid less.
2-He doesn’t get paid JUST to win football games. Parents trust coaches with their kids to see them graduate too.
US Today Graduation reports for 2000-03: 1-Stanford 86%, 2-Miami 81%, 3-IOWA 79% and VT 79%, 5-TCU & Missouri 71%, 7-Nebraska 68%, 8-Alabama & LSU 67%........NCAA Bowl Subdivision Average (67%)
11-Wisconsin-65%, 16-OSU 63%, 21-MSU 55%, 25-Oklahoma 44%.
According to the NCAA’s Graduation Success Rate for 2004 (most recent year and only year available for Big 10 football), Iowa was ranked 15[SUP]th[/SUP] with an 83 score (3[SUP]rd[/SUP] best in the Big 10). They were one of only four schools in the top 15 that were non-private and non-academy. Rutgers, Penn State and Miami of Ohio were the others. Other notable scores were LSU 77, Michigan 71, Alabama 69, Ohio State 67, Nebraska 67, Wisconsin 66, Georgia 65, Iowa State 63, Oregon 63, USC 61, Texas 57 and Oklahoma 48.
That also plays into his integrity. Some people on here can make jokes about what he does behind the scenes, but listen to what his former players, their parents and his peers say about him.
3-Forget about the â€lack of emotion†BS. If you haven’t seen his emotions at times, then you don’t watch much Iowa football.
4-Forget about the “he needs to innovate and get with the times†comments. Why should he change an offensive philosophy that propelled MSU and Wisconsin to the Big 10 title game? A philosophy that has worked for Wisconsin for years. A philosophy that worked for Jim Tressel at OSU for years.
5-The same can be said of the defense. Under Kirk, Iowa is 18-12 in the conference vs various forms of the spread offense (5-3 vs Purdue, 2-0 vs Michigan, 2-1 vs Illinois, 5-6 vs Northwestern, 1-2 vs Indiana and 3-0 vs Penn State).
6-He has a winning record against every team in the Big 10 except Ohio State, Northwestern and Wisconsin (where he is tied 6-6).
[FONT="]Has he lost to teams he shouldn’t? Yes, but so have other big name coaches at big name schools. Has he made changes in his style? Yes. [/FONT]
2-He doesn’t get paid JUST to win football games. Parents trust coaches with their kids to see them graduate too.
US Today Graduation reports for 2000-03: 1-Stanford 86%, 2-Miami 81%, 3-IOWA 79% and VT 79%, 5-TCU & Missouri 71%, 7-Nebraska 68%, 8-Alabama & LSU 67%........NCAA Bowl Subdivision Average (67%)
11-Wisconsin-65%, 16-OSU 63%, 21-MSU 55%, 25-Oklahoma 44%.
According to the NCAA’s Graduation Success Rate for 2004 (most recent year and only year available for Big 10 football), Iowa was ranked 15[SUP]th[/SUP] with an 83 score (3[SUP]rd[/SUP] best in the Big 10). They were one of only four schools in the top 15 that were non-private and non-academy. Rutgers, Penn State and Miami of Ohio were the others. Other notable scores were LSU 77, Michigan 71, Alabama 69, Ohio State 67, Nebraska 67, Wisconsin 66, Georgia 65, Iowa State 63, Oregon 63, USC 61, Texas 57 and Oklahoma 48.
That also plays into his integrity. Some people on here can make jokes about what he does behind the scenes, but listen to what his former players, their parents and his peers say about him.
3-Forget about the â€lack of emotion†BS. If you haven’t seen his emotions at times, then you don’t watch much Iowa football.
4-Forget about the “he needs to innovate and get with the times†comments. Why should he change an offensive philosophy that propelled MSU and Wisconsin to the Big 10 title game? A philosophy that has worked for Wisconsin for years. A philosophy that worked for Jim Tressel at OSU for years.
5-The same can be said of the defense. Under Kirk, Iowa is 18-12 in the conference vs various forms of the spread offense (5-3 vs Purdue, 2-0 vs Michigan, 2-1 vs Illinois, 5-6 vs Northwestern, 1-2 vs Indiana and 3-0 vs Penn State).
6-He has a winning record against every team in the Big 10 except Ohio State, Northwestern and Wisconsin (where he is tied 6-6).
[FONT="]Has he lost to teams he shouldn’t? Yes, but so have other big name coaches at big name schools. Has he made changes in his style? Yes. [/FONT]
blkngldFRO
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This is a style of football that you have to execute flawlessly, and have the talent to do so. Also MSU and Wisconsin employee different types of D. You can't just compere the offense and say that's what made them successful.
Also you have only pointed out the success of that style withing the walls of the big ten. How has that style been working outside the Big Ten?
Well, it worked for Greg Schiano at Rutgers, Al Golden at Temple, Nick Saban at Alabama, Frank Beamer at VT.....
I don't think MSU and Wisky use defenses vastly different than Iowa. They both like to get pressure from just the front four and they play zone on the back end. There are teams that are vastly more talented than Iowa that play the same style of defense giving the receivers a lot of cushion and expecting their D line to bring all the pressure. It's not unique to Iowa. We just don't have any Clayborns or Kings on the front and and no Sashs on the back end.
You mentioned having the talent to run this offense. I would say our O line has the talent and the QB is more talented than some that we have had when we ran it better. Our recievers are better and our RBs just as reliable, so there's no reason to think the offense can't work if they would execute a little better and get better play calling.
Just providing the contrast. People talk about Iowa like it is some other program. They have seen the same thing for 12 going on 13 years and can't seem to get it. My point was not to say one system was better, but that they get different results. While Iowa might take longer to develop a team, the end result is pretty impressive.
haw
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Salaries affect expectations just as much as history. This fact is true in any field, though they aren't independent variables. I think that lowered expectations do make unfavorable results hurt less.
hawkdrummer1
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As the saying goes...if you have to ask, the answer is no.
1hawkeye1
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Would you like another beer?
hawkdrummer1
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No Thanks, it'll kill my coffee buzz.
Salaries affect expectations just as much as history. This fact is true in any field, though they aren't independent variables. I think that lowered expectations do make unfavorable results hurt less.
I disagree. History alone determines expectations and salary. I don't care if he was coaching for free, losing to Minnesota hurts as much when we are 3-9 as it does when we are 10-2. It may hurt less to lose to a school that is consistently good (Michigan) when we are bad, but losing to the craptastic bottom of the barrel in ANY year sucks.
1977Hawkeye
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Yep, exactly - I feel the same way. It's just the fact that KF is one of the top paid coaches in the land, and that adds even more fuel to the fire. Like it or not, it's going to be a topic when you're going 7-6, losing at home to Central Michigan, etc.
(But the criticism would still be thick regardless)
