IT'S THE TALENT STUPID!!!

It's not the X's and the O's. It's the Jimmys and the Joes. And that's why I'm optimistic about the team being better next season, better still in '13, and better than that in '14. Our '08 and '09 recruiting classes were the worst of the Ferentz era and there has been a lot of attrition from those groups. Once those groups get "off the books" so to speak, the talent level should be significantly higher.
 
Actually, I would add Bauserman, Colter and Siemian ahead of JVB. Well, maybe not Bauserman or Colter (due to his style), but I would take Siemian ahead of JVB right now. Siemian has been money in the limited situations in which he has played. He had a Persa-esque drive against Iowa at the end of the game, had a great strike to Ebert against Army and he went 3-4 for 67 yards against Nebraska and would have been 4-4 if not for a blatant hold on the receiver that led to a pick. Pretty freaking sad that Northwestern's third string QB is better than Iowa's first string QB if you ask me.

Where would you put Steve Schnur on that list?
 
In no particular order:

Russel Wilson Yes he is better
Nathan Sheelhouse Um what?
Dan Persa I say a push
Taylor Martinez He sucks as well
Denard Robinson Push
Cousins No way jose
McGloin Have you watched PSU NO way

Then JVB

Then

Miller
Gray
The Purdue guy
The Indiana Guy
 
next year it will be Vandy and Scheelhouse, as it will be between Coker and Bell, Robinson is a run 1st QB, there is a 3rd RB that will make noise and that is Redd from PSU, Davis will take McNutts place as the primary receiver, with Manly being the #2, the 3rd WR might be a freshman, but will probably be Staggs, McCall will be the backup to Coker, KFwill have to take a serious look at underclassmen at some of the other positions especially the D-Line, we will see how fast the younger players step up
 
did you get oatmeal instead of malt-o-meal for breasfast, sit down and take a deep breath, Manly is more than a 3rd option at WR and as he is just a freshmen, your assesment of Vandy and Coker turns my stomach, this is just another way to call out players, these same player were used to beat Michigan & Northwestern, how'd the great Robinson and Persa do, OOOHHH SSSSNAP they lost to a inferior Vandy and Coker and such a lousy Defense, i have been unhappy with the results of this years team as anybody, but in this season the losses were mainly on the coaches, KF is waaaaaay to conservative, MSU was clearly selling out to stop the run and yet what did they do to counter this defense, it was constantly run Coker up the gut into a 8 man front, his best run came when he went outside, this head coach is to stubbern to change, so get off the kids, it is the coaches who have to put them in a position win, running up the gut on1st and 2nd down then running a play where the team needs 8 yards for a 1st down where the WR catches the ball 2 yards down field and have to run 6 yards to get the 1st, again this is on the coaches

Do you and DragonHawk hang out?
 
actually i am DH, MY Computer crashed and i can't remember my password as it logged me out, and i forgot to hit the remember me tab, my son and a friend of his at UNI came dow to fix my computer as his buddy is computer programmer student, my son also has one of my old log books that had my original name and email, so i am using my original name, i have no clue as to which email addy that i used, i had 3 at one time the one provided by the ISP, a Yahoo, and a Hotmail addy,
the hotmail addy i have not used in a couple years, my primary one is yahoo, i am trying to improve my sentence structure but it does not always come out the way i want
 
In no particular order:

Russel Wilson
Nathan Sheelhouse
Dan Persa
Taylor Martinez (it ain't pretty but he gets it done and is more dangerous)
Denard Robinson (see above)
Cousins
McGloin

Then JVB

Then

Miller
Gray
The Purdue guy
The Indiana Guy

This is one of the dumbest posts i have read in a long time on this board...wow talk about having NO idea about QB play.
 
Actually, I would add Bauserman, Colter and Siemian ahead of JVB. Well, maybe not Bauserman or Colter (due to his style), but I would take Siemian ahead of JVB right now. Siemian has been money in the limited situations in which he has played. He had a Persa-esque drive against Iowa at the end of the game, had a great strike to Ebert against Army and he went 3-4 for 67 yards against Nebraska and would have been 4-4 if not for a blatant hold on the receiver that led to a pick. Pretty freaking sad that Northwestern's third string QB is better than Iowa's first string QB if you ask me.

And you are pretty clueless if you think that is anywhere close to being true.
 
Coaches do not stop knowing how t0 coach. Schemes do not suddenly become ineffective. These things do not change. What changes are the players. When KF says we were not good enough to win, he's right. Bottom line, the cupboard is approaching the time where we need to go to the grocery store.

Coaches do not stop knowing how to coach, our schemes are not all of a suddent bad, our cupboard is just not that full this year. coaches and players all want to win, just not our year. No "stud factor" this year. Need some players
 
As a passer I rate vandenberg behind only wilson, cousins, and persa. Scheelhase is dropping down and DRob and Grey are not very accurate. I think Northwestern's 3rd string QB could be very good but we have only see him a small amount at ends of games. JVB is a good runner with decent speed but he is not really supposed to do much running. I think JVB's work late in games under pressure puts him at 7-8 ranked in big 10 but remember he only has one year of starting. So overall I think he is 5-6 ranked but 8-9th ranked, no way.
 
just for the record for all those experience qb scouts out there - Vandy is 3rd in QB rating, 2nd in passing yards, 6th in completion % (just 3% off the 3rd place qb %), 2nd in tds and tied for 7th w/ Cousins w/ 5 ints. Clearly a bottom tier qb. Too many people making comments on players without knowing much.
 
Wilson-1st Team All BIG Ten
Cousin-2nd Team
JVB-3rd Team


I'm in the minority JVB has exceeded my expectations I knew and predicted he would have up and downs, growing pains, he will be better in 2012.
 
JVB is probably the 2nd best QB in the conference. He certainly has some flaws, but he is not yet a finished product. Again Coker is likely one of the top three RBs in the conference. I understand what you are trying to get at with your post and although I would disagree with some individual assessments you nailed it on the defensive side of the ball. It took the staff too long this season to adapt to the talent on this side of the ball. Prater and Hyde have the ability to match up individually and so does Bernstine.

The coaches are responsible for a players development or lack. But they are also responsible for putting the players they recruited in winning positions. Iowa missed an opportunity this season plain and simple. following last season's finish Ferentz and company failed to adjust to their own talent. I am not saying wholescale scheme changes, just tweaks that should or do exist in their playbooks.
 
I know that they are trying their hardest, and hate losing. I don't blame them for being put into situations where they aren't likely to be able to succeed.

Coaches do not stop knowing how to coach. Schemes do not suddenly become ineffective. These things do not change. What changes are the players.

When KF says we were not good enough to win, he's right. Problem is that is on him.

Let's go through the positions on this team and see where they would rank in the B1G in terms of effectiveness.

OL: The Hallmark of KF.


There are 60 starting OL in the B1G. I think that we have 2 OL that rank in the top 30. Of those 2, we are anchored by someone whose head is already in the NFL or clearly is not good enough to play in the NFL.

QB:


There are 12 starting QB's in the B1G. I would draft ours 8th or 9th. Statistics can lie a lot of times. Stanzi didn't have a great statistical year in 09, and did in 10. Records would not have indicated that. Our QB play has been mediocre.

RB:

Of the 16 or so RB's that get significant time, I would rank our starting RB 3rd or 4th. Top 25%, not bad at all.

WR:

This is where it gets tricky. Of the 24 starting WR, one would rank in the top 6, and the other would rank in the top 15. Average out to top 50% as a starting unit.

However, there IS NOT another WR on this team who is a legitimate B1G player RIGHT NOW. The drop off from 2-3 is astronomical.

TE: Another KF Hallmark

We do not have a TE on our roster that is a B1G caliber TE right now. One of them may very well turn into that, but right now we don't.

So we have a grossly overrated OL, with an ineffective QB who only really has two receiving targets and a RB that while bordering on elite doesn't give you the game breaking ability you might need with the rest of the offense as a unit.

Onto the D:

DL: NFL be gone.

The argument that we are young would be great if we weren't starting 4 SR's. Of the 48 starting DL in the B1G, we have 1 who would rank in the top 20. Another that ranks in the top 30. Of those two, they both haven't gotten better than they were two years ago. Two of them are not B1G caliber players.

LB: Of the 36 starting LB's in the B1G, I would say that we don't have 1 that is a top 18 LB. Again, they might turn into that one day, but it isn't right now.

DB: Of the 48 starting DB's in the B1G, we have 3 that would rank in the top 24 players. Two might even be in the top 18. However, when the rest of the defense looks as it does above, how are the DB's supposed to be effective.

Bottom line, the cupboard is approaching the time where we need to go to the grocery store. KF likes to go shopping for off brands that he thinks will end up tasting great when thrown into the pot. But, his track record while incredible for taking MAC level talent and putting them into the NFL, shows that most of the time, they stay MAC level talent.

We need to recruit better, end of story. Having a recruiting philosophy where you take players who are happy just to get a B1G offer is an amazing story when they end up in the NFL. Most of the time though, that does not happen.

Whatever has happened to our recruiting, it isn't good. Our scouting hasn't been good. Our development hasn't been good. And our retention has been abhorrent.

I agree with part of your assessment. The two classes that really hurt us are the 2008 class should (combined with leadership) has left some gaping holes. While team recruiting rankings are imperfect it does give you a rough gauge in which to judge the available talent(TALENT can be developed, but you can't make someone untalented, talented). So, while Iowa has done a great job of developing talent there are limits to the ability of the staff(or any staff) to develop classes with really weak talent.

From the scout.com Big Ten conference rankings:

2009 recruiting class: Last in the Big Ten and 77th in the country. Best players/biggest contributors so far from the class...Micah Hyde- a solid starter at cornerback, starter. Keenan Davis, the highest rated recruit in the class. A good but not all-conference starter at WR, looking forward to his development as a senior(he should get lot's of opportunities), FB Brad Rogers(out much of the last year, and only now getting into the groove) looks to be a good fullback, OL Nolan McMillian-injury problems after showing some flashes as a redshirt frosh. That's it, so far out of 18 players. Conor Boffeli looks like he may be a solid starter after J. Ferentz leaves at center. But, this class has been here three years and we're not getting a whole lot out of it. So far, the recruiting class ranking looks pretty close to accurate. A lot these guys are either not with the team or not getting PT and are buried on the depth chart.

The 2008 class(7th best in the conference) has some better players than 2009 but a high level of attrition:

I count 15 players in this class(most on defense) that are either no longer on the team or are but haven't broken the two-deep.

The two most recent classes(given their physical immaturity and lack of experience you don't expect a whole lot of them would be on the two deep/serious contributors)have been strong finishing (45th in the country)6th in the Big Ten in 2010 and 2nd in the conference in 2011(22nd in the country).

On the field the 2010 class has six starters on it(Morris, Schreff, Kirksey, Miller, Fiedorowitz, and Coker). That's not including promising seconds-stringers like KMM, Carl Davis, BJ Lowery, and Anthony Hitchins. Nor any of the other players in the class who are simply being developed and need more time in the weight room/practice field but WILL play in seasons to come.

So, Kirk and friends have already upgraded the team's talent the last two classes and in the 2010-2011. I count six defensive lineman in the last two classes that we haven't seen on the field yet. Maybe, they'll never develop but Iowa is a developmental program and players(players with stories as Kirk likes to say)tend to emerge out of seemingly nowhere.

This is a team, then, with some talent but it's in the classes that are least likely to have the biggest impacts on the team(freshman and sophomores) this year.

Hopefully we'll keep the guys who've verbally committed and nab some good ones with the available scholarships for 2012 class, but we have some good young talent sadly we can't snap our fingers and make them (physically and mentally) juniors and seniors.

That takes time, experience, and maturity.
 
Agree 100 percent with the OP. I am all for the successful walk-on stories but seems to me we have had a few too many walk ons in the two-deep. Yes, we have had tremendous success with some walks ons stepping on campus and having a great career. But this is not UNI ... We should have a roster filled with Big 10-caliber players ...
 
Coaches do not stop knowing how to coach, our schemes are not all of a suddent bad, our cupboard is just not that full this year. coaches and players all want to win, just not our year. No "stud factor" this year. Need some players

During good years we don't win because of our game day coaching or the schemes we run, we win in spite of it. Its because of this that every time we play weak teams it's closer then it should be. In 2009 our team was noticeably better then our opponents most weeks and if it wasn't for our bad game day coaching and schemes we would have won most of those nail biters by a lot more points. In 2008,2009, and 2010 we had a defense full of nfl players but our scheme was to keep everything in front of us and hope our opponents make a mistake instead of allowing our players to go out and make plays. Our offense could have been great those years but we would build early 10 point leads then go into a shell and try to milk the last 3 quarters instead of doing what was working to get us that lead. In 2009 these things didn't cost us any games but if you play with fire long enough you get burned and that's what happened in 2010
Everything Ferentz excels in is exactly what we need in a coach. But what is so frustrating is the things he struggles with seams so easy to correct but he has no desire to do it. I think if he could get a coach whose strengths were Ferentz's weaknesses (clock management and killer instincts) then we really would have one of the best coaches in the nation
 
This was a solid post. I couldn't agree more. We just don't have the talent this year. Mcnutt is our only offensive threat and he might not be in the top 15 recievers in the country. As for the QB argument, I would also take any of the mobile big10 qb's over Vandy.
 

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