Its over

I agree with the original poster, and I'm not planning on bashing the coach or dwelling on it so much. We got him for at least another year, got no choice in the matter. He doesn't wanna quit, the university has confidence in KF or cannot afford to cut him now or both.

An unbelievable offseason where the young players blossom and grow, the coaches somehow really find a way to change for the better even though they are likely too old and stubborn, followed by a miracle season where we get better, play aggressive, and find schemes that get the most out of the players on our roster ending up with a 9-3 record would be good medicine for all of us. The downward trend in recruiting, player development, game planning, starter selection, offensive and defensive schemes that actually work, game and clock management, and likely more that I'm missing, and win with the current roster. Boy that sounds like a steep hill to climb at age 60? Unless you are Bill Snyder.

We will need multiple miracles.


If he cannot recover this (and by far this is the most plausible) program then best case would be a horrible 4-8 season where he then understands he is no longer fit for coaching and he makes a settlement with university for a buyout that is more affordable for the university, and we can move on.

I do think KF got woken up like he never dreamed he would and is reacting as his demeanor and character allow. Can he pull this rabbit out of the hat for 2015? He better start ordering the human growth hormone, Viagra, and whatever else is out there to help those aging seniors function!
 
In addition to going to Green Bay, think KF and company might want to go down to KState for a visit as well. An old dude with Iowa history getting it done.
 
Good point Gibsonian, He does as he said need to take a look around and see whats working in collage Football. Because something isn't working now
 
CJHawkeye said:
Yes. I'm not a season ticket holder (and I won't pretend to be one online to try and make a point) but I do buy about a dozen tickets a year to take my family to games. I'm not buying any next year. I usually have at least one, and often two hotel nights associated with my trips, meals out, gas, etc. I don't feel the need to spend another $3000 next year when I can watch the Hawkeyes do the same crap and be mediocre on TV.
Click to expand...

CJ, You don't need season tkts to be a fan I watch more games at home than I do in IC. People need to do what ever they need to do. All I said was for the people that just want to hate. Don't ruin it for those that still want to enjoy talking Hawks
 
Were talking that we enjoy the Hawks a whole lot more at 9-3 or 8-4 than at 7-5 or 6-6. I mean, our competition in the B1G West is average.
 
Xerxes said:
I agree 100%.

I'm very concerned about the overall lack of talent on this team. Particularly at the skill positions. Watching Ill St last weekend I found myself thinking that Iowa skill guys may have a very hard time starting for Ill St.

I'm also very concerned that this staff struggles so much recruiting. I know Iowa is never going to compete with the elites but with the facilities that Kirk is so proud of you would think Iowa could grab a bunch of mid-level guys they did at the beginning of the Ferentz era.

I'm also very concerned that this team has lost its identity. They pride themselves on being physical yet are often manhandled on the LOS. Their running game is nonexistent. Some coaches want a short passing game yet they don't have any speed at the WR position to make it work.

So as you can see I'm very concerned about this team overall. Is that being unsupportive? I want them to be really good. I hope they're really good. But my common sense is telling me otherwise.
Click to expand...

I used to be in the "wait and see" camp, but I realize that the time has come to objectively evaluate where things really are for this program. I think you're absolutely right. I'm worried about the consistently poor recruiting. I'm worried about the talent level, and I also want Iowa to be really, really good. I really think that we are being supportive of Iowa Football, even if it feels like we're not being supportive to Kirk. I've been going to games since I was a little kid, and have been donating, driving, and buying season tickets for many years. I support Iowa Football, and I want Iowa to be good. That's not a bad thing.

I think people should allow others to express their opinions, and not try to tamp down perceived negativity. It won't help, anyway. This is a sports message board. We're probably all losers for arguing about sports anyway, so let's just live and let live!
 
Gibsonian said:
I agree with the original poster, and I'm not planning on bashing the coach or dwelling on it so much. We got him for at least another year, got no choice in the matter. He doesn't wanna quit, the university has confidence in KF or cannot afford to cut him now or both.

An unbelievable offseason where the young players blossom and grow, the coaches somehow really find a way to change for the better even though they are likely too old and stubborn, followed by a miracle season where we get better, play aggressive, and find schemes that get the most out of the players on our roster ending up with a 9-3 record would be good medicine for all of us. The downward trend in recruiting, player development, game planning, starter selection, offensive and defensive schemes that actually work, game and clock management, and likely more that I'm missing, and win with the current roster. Boy that sounds like a steep hill to climb at age 60? Unless you are Bill Snyder.

We will need multiple miracles.


If he cannot recover this (and by far this is the most plausible) program then best case would be a horrible 4-8 season where he then understands he is no longer fit for coaching and he makes a settlement with university for a buyout that is more affordable for the university, and we can move on.

I do think KF got woken up like he never dreamed he would and is reacting as his demeanor and character allow. Can he pull this rabbit out of the hat for 2015? He better start ordering the human growth hormone, Viagra, and whatever else is out there to help those aging seniors function!
Click to expand...

I'm hopeful for multiple miracles. I do it every year. It would be nice to have talent and not hope for miracles.
 
I'm sick of our coaches whining about how hard it is to recruit to Iowa.

REALLY?

I've been to dozens of campii, including most of the "elites," and the social experience for students at Iowa is on par or flat out better than almost all of them. Sure, it snows in the winter. Boo fking hoo. I've partied at ASU and Southern Cal and frankly, the U has comparable tail with far less STD exposure.

Run a few go routes and recruiting to Iowa will get a lot easier.
 
ThunderHawk said:
I'm sick of our coaches whining about how hard it is to recruit to Iowa.

REALLY?

I've been to dozens of campii, including most of the "elites," and the social experience for students at Iowa is on par or flat out better than almost all of them. Sure, it snows in the winter. Boo fking hoo. I've partied at ASU and Southern Cal and frankly, the U has comparable tail with far less STD exposure.

Run a few go routes and recruiting to Iowa will get a lot easier.
Click to expand...

Thunder, don't you think the Academic difference with the SEC & some B-12 Schools is a bigger problem than the social/weather part ??
 
ThunderHawk said:
I'm sick of our coaches whining about how hard it is to recruit to Iowa.

REALLY?

I've been to dozens of campii, including most of the "elites," and the social experience for students at Iowa is on par or flat out better than almost all of them. Sure, it snows in the winter. Boo fking hoo. I've partied at ASU and Southern Cal and frankly, the U has comparable tail with far less STD exposure.

Run a few go routes and recruiting to Iowa will get a lot easier.
Click to expand...

Talked to dozens of recruiting analysts since 1999 in my day job, none of whom went to Iowa or care. All agree Iowa has an inherent recruiting disadvantage, primarily due to the small # of in-state D-1 athletes produced yearly. Proximity remains the #1 deciding factor in recruiting. Spare me the counterexamples, I'm talking overall. Every year, Ohio State hosts a dozen or more 4-5 star prospects that grew up in Ohio as Buckeye fans. We will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage there.

But Kansas State, Boise State and Nebraska have similar disadvantages and overcome them. So basically I agree with Thunder. The question isn't "is it harder to recruit at Iowa", the question is "why do we perpetually rank in the 40's-50's nationally?" And obviously the 2005 class proved it can be done.
 
My hatred for KF keeps me warm. It will never be over til he is gone.

There should be a Norm Parker statue outside of Kinnick.
 
LASBUR said:
Don't dodge my question. Do you think its a factor ?
Click to expand...

Not in the least.

A little experience ...
Based on my daughter's recruitment to play softball, there were many examples of how "accommodating" schools could be regarding admissions requirements. She's a pretty good student-athlete who "gets it", carries a 3.3 gpa but is only about 45th percentile in her class. Though she ultimately signed with another B14 school, it took some extra letters and lobbying to get here admitted, even with her decent academic record. All I can say is she would've been admitted more easily to Iowa.

This is for a recruit in a non-revenue women's sport. It's pretty safe to say that schools are even more "creative" in admissions for football and basketball players.

A little observation ...
When I attended, I always wondered why there are so many students from Chicago burbs attending Iowa? Most readily admitted it's because they wanted to attend a major university, couldn't get accepted to Illinois and Iowa's out-of-state is affordable.

Again, through daughter's recruitment and college research, it's pretty obvious that, while Iowa is an excellent university, it is still generally about middle of the pack in the various academic and institutional rankings among other B14 schools and ranked lower than such schools as Texas, A&M, Florida, Miami, Georgia, Baylor, several ACC & Pac12 schools and a few spots ahead of Bama.

Bottom line, to me ... like other universities, Iowa has some stringent, program specific admissions requirements. However, the majority of men's revenue sport recruits are most likely coming in either "undeclared" or "general studies" majors and are subject to very liberal admissions expectations. I'll go as far to say that if you have a few brain cells, attend class, do your work and actually invest a modest effort into your education, you will be admitted and will be a successful student-athlete at the University of Iowa.
 
STILLBUSTER said:
Not in the least.

A little experience ...
Based on my daughter's recruitment to play softball, there were many examples of how "accommodating" schools could be regarding admissions requirements. She's a pretty good student-athlete who "gets it", carries a 3.3 gpa but is only about 45th percentile in her class. Though she ultimately signed with another B14 school, it took some extra letters and lobbying to get here admitted, even with her decent academic record. All I can say is she would've been admitted more easily to Iowa.

This is for a recruit in a non-revenue women's sport. It's pretty safe to say that schools are even more "creative" in admissions for football and basketball players.

A little observation ...
When I attended, I always wondered why there are so many students from Chicago burbs attending Iowa? Most readily admitted it's because they wanted to attend a major university, couldn't get accepted to Illinois and Iowa's out-of-state is affordable.

Again, through daughter's recruitment and college research, it's pretty obvious that, while Iowa is an excellent university, it is still generally about middle of the pack in the various academic and institutional rankings among other B14 schools and ranked lower than such schools as Texas, A&M, Florida, Miami, Georgia, Baylor, several ACC & Pac12 schools and a few spots ahead of Bama.

Bottom line, to me ... like other universities, Iowa has some stringent, program specific admissions requirements. However, the majority of men's revenue sport recruits are most likely coming in either "undeclared" or "general studies" majors and are subject to very liberal admissions expectations. I'll go as far to say that if you have a few brain cells, attend class, do your work and actually invest a modest effort into your education, you will be admitted and will be a successful student-athlete at the University of Iowa.
Click to expand...

Iowa distinguishes itself via it's professional grad programs, notably med and law.

It's not that rough for an undergrad to skate through some of the majors, and that's not unique to Iowa.
 
Billso said:
Talked to dozens of recruiting analysts since 1999 in my day job, none of whom went to Iowa or care. All agree Iowa has an inherent recruiting disadvantage, primarily due to the small # of in-state D-1 athletes produced yearly. Proximity remains the #1 deciding factor in recruiting. Spare me the counterexamples, I'm talking overall. Every year, Ohio State hosts a dozen or more 4-5 star prospects that grew up in Ohio as Buckeye fans. We will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage there.

But Kansas State, Boise State and Nebraska have similar disadvantages and overcome them. So basically I agree with Thunder. The question isn't "is it harder to recruit at Iowa", the question is "why do we perpetually rank in the 40's-50's nationally?" And obviously the 2005 class proved it can be done.
Click to expand...


Bilso, I thought I told you to stop making sense. This is no place for reasoned discussion.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Share this page

Top