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HawkeyeMike23
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What? Sure the Bulls could use another 2 guard who can create for himself but they already have a pretty solid supporting cast. Their bench is one of, if not the best in basketball. Deng had a great year, Noah is great defensively and on the glass, Boozer is a good regular season player although he's been terrible in the playoffs. The Bulls are in great shape to be a contender for a long time, this isn't like the Cavs squads that LeBron had to drag through the playoffs each year.
kicker22
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Give it up, I've learned on this board that there is no such thing as a quality supporting cast.
On that note, I couldn't agree with you more. The Bulls bench is incredibly solid and you can't honestly tell me that most NBA teams aren't envious of the front court of the Bulls. I guess someone needs to define a "solid supporting cast" because I'd say with Boozer, Noah, Deng, and one of the best benches and defenses in the game if that's honestly not a good supporting cast I don't know what is. Or do they need to bring in 3 superstars and absolutely nobody else to get the supporting cast recognition they deserve? Someone please explain it to me.
Mac50702
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The bulls right now have a great supporting cast.
I along with carlos boozer are still upset the heat chose Bosh over Boozer and Boozer really wanted to go do Wade county.
smhawk
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Yeah of all sports though, I think in the NBA you especially can't complain of bandwagon fans. I wish there was one or two less teams so the talent pool of each roster was more competitive.
I really enjoyed watching the bucks compete last season, but their horrible off season decisions impeded them from any progression in 2011.
I really enjoyed watching the bucks compete last season, but their horrible off season decisions impeded them from any progression in 2011.
kicker22
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Couldn't agree more. IMO you really only have bandwagon fans anymore apply to college sports. With the free agency era and the fact that pros don't really seem to have that loyalty to their franchise like they used. I find no problem with fans supporting recently constructed teams like Miami, based on offseason acquisitions, as long as they're not riding coat-tails midseason or come playoff time simply because they're championship material.
HawkeyeMike23
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The Heat didn't make any decisions on this. This was all set up by the players and Boozer isn't in the Wade-LeBron-Bosh-Paul clique so there's no way they would have picked him over Bosh.
The Jordan Bulls did not have the best record in the league when he was losing in the playoffs while winning scoring titles every year in the 80's. They were a just above average team thru most of his first 7 years,then Pippen and Grant matured and off they went.
This current Bulls team is different in that Rose is the youngest of the rotation and most were still added after Rose came on board.
This series is far from over. I had the Bulls in 7,and we are at game 2. I think it will still go at least 6 or 7,and could still go either way.
They are the #1 and #2 seeds in the East,so this is to be expected.
This current Bulls team is different in that Rose is the youngest of the rotation and most were still added after Rose came on board.
This series is far from over. I had the Bulls in 7,and we are at game 2. I think it will still go at least 6 or 7,and could still go either way.
They are the #1 and #2 seeds in the East,so this is to be expected.
DwayneTwill
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The OP now likes the Miami Heat. It's all coming back to him now.
HawkeyeMike23
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Kaldy was as big of Miami Heat fan as you could find in 2006.
MultipleDundieAwardWinner
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Why are so many people here obsessed with what kind of fan others are?
It is hysterical how much you guys are overrating the Bulls supporting cast. Look at the list of people I compared Rose to. Barkley, Malone, Ewing. These are guys on good teams that didn't have all the pieces necessary to win a title. This Chicago team is the same deal. Boozer is a nice consistent player who scores in the teens and pulls down 10 boards.. Deng is a nice player who scores in the teens. Noah scores around 10 a game. These just aren't the stats of a championship caliber team.
And throwing the best record thing out doesn't mean much when you consider how dismal the East was this year.
And throwing the best record thing out doesn't mean much when you consider how dismal the East was this year.
HawkeyeMike23
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So what star do you think has a good supporting cast this year?
briankaldenberg
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False.
kicker22
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What's hysterical is that you throw Malone in your statement about players with "no supporting cast". You kind of forgot his hall of fame counter part John Stockton. I guess my problem with this "supporting cast" issue is that any superstar who fails to get a ring is always bailed out by the "no supporting cast" argument. People fail to acknowledge that maybe the supporting cast was solid but they lost to a better team, didn't play up to expectations, or simply choked.
And the comment about the best record in the league not meaning much? If that's the case might as well restate your entire argument since your "good guys on good teams" players just happened to be losing to one of the greatest teams of all time, so let's just throw them out too.
kicker22
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Am I saying that the Bulls have the greatest supporting cast ever? Not even close. But to say that they don't have "a supporting cast" or their supporting cast is "over-rated" because the teams focus is based on defense and not the offensive side of the ball just doesn't make sense to me especially when you close it with These just aren't the stats of a championship caliber team". I may be missing something but IMO this Bulls team reminds me a great deal of the make up of the 2004 Pistons who won a championship with smothering defense and teamwork.
That Detroit team had Rip, Chauncey, Tayshawn, and Rasheed. Each of those guys could create his own shot when needed. This Chicago team has one guy who can do that.
Seriously guys, without Rose, this team would really struggle in the Playoffs and might not make the Playoffs at all.
As far as the comparison to Malone. I had Lakers and Clippers season tickets during Utah's success years. I saw the Clippers beat the Jazz in the Orange County Arena when they had to relocate due to the Rodney King disturbance. Stockton was one of the greats, but that team just didn't have the remaining fire power to get past the Bulls.
This is what I mean by the current Bulls team. Barkley's Phoenix team, Malone's Jazz, and Ewing's Knicks were almost there, but lacked the final necessary pieces.
Except I would say all those other teams had better supporting pieces than this Bulls team.
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hawkfan2679
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Really just an exercise in testing my NBA memory from back in the day...a look at the above mentioned supporting casts...
Barkley's supporting cast:
Kevin Johnson
Danny Ainge
Dan Majerle
Oliver Miller?
Cedric Ceballos?
Malone's supporting cast:
John Stockton
Jeff Hornacek
Byron Russell
Greg Ostertag
Jacque Vaughn?
Greg Foster?
Ewing's Knicks:
Charles Oakley
John Starks
Charles Smith
Derek Harper?
Rolando Blackmon?
Barkley's supporting cast:
Kevin Johnson
Danny Ainge
Dan Majerle
Oliver Miller?
Cedric Ceballos?
Malone's supporting cast:
John Stockton
Jeff Hornacek
Byron Russell
Greg Ostertag
Jacque Vaughn?
Greg Foster?
Ewing's Knicks:
Charles Oakley
John Starks
Charles Smith
Derek Harper?
Rolando Blackmon?
HawkeyeMike23
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The Rodney King trial was in 1992, the Jazz lost to the Bulls in '97 and '98. If you could tell what the Jazz team would look like in five years by watching a single game, that is pretty amazing.
Again, what current star do you think has a good supporting cast?
Sometime it comes down to the star just not being good enough, see Barkley with Phoenix in '93. Very solid team all around, they didn't win because Barkley wasn't as good as Jordan. Not because of his supporting cast.
Notice I said I had SEASON tickets. I had them from 1990-1997, when I moved up to the Bay Area. I discussed that game because it was the most memorable for me based on the context.
Now, nobody was or has been as good as Jordan. But some other teams were able to put champion squads together during the 90's, including the Pistons, Rockets, and Spurs. Albeit, maybe an asterix should be applied here and there.
