It all comes down to recruiting

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hawkfarmer

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That is it. Iowa's players are not as good as Penn State's players were last night. Unfortunately you don't see the effect of good recruiting until several years after it occurs. I do think this staff will be better recruiters than the past staff. However, it will be at least 3 years until we see the benefit of that, and plus they have to undo the damage that was 30 recruits seeing the crap that occurred last night and assure them that they can make Iowa better.

I don't know how this will shake out, will recruiting be better or will the efforts tank due to the product on the field? I do not know. I'd like to hope it will get better, but I would have to wonder how they can convince these recruits to make that leap of faith.
 
We'd better start wearing Pro-Combat uniforms every game if we want to get recruits with the way we're playing. Brian Ferentz better fire up the twitter machine, too.
 
I agree with the op here. And one needs to look backwards at why we're here. NP had health problems, and KoK couldn't recruit.

Having said this, KF is ultimately responsible.

Give these guys three years. After that, it's open hunting season on the entire staff.
 
Having 30 recruits on hand to watch that massacre sure isn't going to help...crowd booing, student section basically gone in the third quarter. What a mess.
 
Some of us have been pounding this drum for quite some time.

Fry used to have some relationships with Texas coaches. Brashier did as well. Throw in some east coast pipelines that served us well for a number of years thanks to some coaches on the staff. Bielema proved he has some definite recruiting skills and brought in some good Florida players for a number of years.

Don't really see any pipelines that have been associated with our current group although I thought Davis was to have connections that would prove valuable. We're mining the Midwest Region now competing with others for the leftovers after the powers have their picks. That along with hovering over those geographies that have coaches on the hot seat or undergoing hardship of some sort.

B. Ferentz may prove to do a capable job but again there is no established pipeline yet other than the attraction that an ex-NFLer brings which many staffs have.

People like to site the exceptions that Iowa uncovered or developed but you can't build an entire starting lineup or build consistency year to year with exceptions. I am not convinced that Ferentz has ever believed recruiting is as key to success as coaching and developing players.
 
I would let them use twitter. To be honest I bet a few guys didn't chose Iowa because of the ban. We have enough off the field issues anyways, can it really get any worse?
 
DwayneTwill said:
We'd better start wearing Pro-Combat uniforms every game if we want to get recruits with the way we're playing. Brian Ferentz better fire up the twitter machine, too.
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Why do so many "Old" Hawkeye fans resist the "Uniform trend" to stay up to date with what is going on around us? Who gives a **** if Iowa wears Pro-Combat uni's from time to time if recruits think its cool. Stop showing your age.
 
goods10 said:
Why do so many "Old" Hawkeye fans resist the "Uniform trend" to stay up to date with what is going on around us? Who gives a **** if Iowa wears Pro-Combat uni's from time to time if recruits think its cool. Stop showing your age.
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Because they look like azz, and our regular uniforms look awesome. If we ordinarily looked like crap I wouldn't care, but why eat turds when you can eat steak?
 
DwayneTwill said:
Because they look like azz, and our regular uniforms look awesome. If we ordinarily looked like crap I wouldn't care, but why eat turds when you can eat steak?
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Again YOUR opinion is that the Pro-Combat uni's look like crap. I have seen some (e.g. Arizona State, Oregon) that look pretty F'in sweet. With Iowa's colors and the best logo in college football Nike could create a bad *** Pro-Combat uni. Who ever came up with this years Iowa alt uni's need to be fired. Period. I hope to God the rumors I have heard about the uni's for the Purdue game are completely wrong.
 
No disrespect to the OP, which years in the last 10 has Penn State not had better recruits on the field than Iowa? I'm not saying this to protect any of the coaches for what happened last night, but while hind sight would say that some years Iowa had better talent more often than not the Iowa talent was better coached than the Penn St. talent under JoePa. Very clearly Iowa was outcoached last night, and that absolutely falls on the head of KF. The Bill O'Brien offensive philosophy, along with the execution of McGloin, will always give an Iowa D fits (see Purdue, Northwestern when they have accurate quarterbacks). I'm not saying Iowa wins that game if the Iowa coaching is where it should be, but it obviously is a more competitive game.

Recruits are always going to be needed, but you don't have to be a gametape guru to see the difference between the PSU and MSU efforts and executions.
 
Not sure how accurate this is, but read this post today by Steve Sipple, Lincoln Journal Star sports writer.

"Kansas State's football recruiting rankings the past four years: 58th, 68th, 63rd, 92nd."

Now, I am not saying Iowa should strive to have recruiting classes in the 90's, however, I think this does point out how coaching can overcome recruiting. And, in some cases, fail to live up to recruiting.
 
Tvismylif said:
Not sure how accurate this is, but read this post today by Steve Sipple, Lincoln Journal Star sports writer.

"Kansas State's football recruiting rankings the past four years: 58th, 68th, 63rd, 92nd."

Now, I am not saying Iowa should strive to have recruiting classes in the 90's, however, I think this does point out how coaching can overcome recruiting. And, in some cases, fail to live up to recruiting.
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What are Alabama's rankings lately?
 
Agreed 100% farmer. That said, I think the last two classes were ranked fairly well and it shows with the amount of young talent on the field. This team is really set up for a good year next year, unfortunately we have no idea what to expect from the quarterback position.
 
Tvismylif said:
Not sure how accurate this is, but read this post today by Steve Sipple, Lincoln Journal Star sports writer.

"Kansas State's football recruiting rankings the past four years: 58th, 68th, 63rd, 92nd."

Now, I am not saying Iowa should strive to have recruiting classes in the 90's, however, I think this does point out how coaching can overcome recruiting. And, in some cases, fail to live up to recruiting.
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Agree, Bill Calahan brought in a couple top 5 classes during the end of his tenure. I know the offense changed
but the only real good player that turned out from one of those was Suh.
 
If it all came down to recruiting Texas' defense wouldn't have given up 31, 36, 48, 63, and 50 points in their last five games.
 
Winterhawk said:
No disrespect to the OP, which years in the last 10 has Penn State not had better recruits on the field than Iowa? I'm not saying this to protect any of the coaches for what happened last night, but while hind sight would say that some years Iowa had better talent more often than not the Iowa talent was better coached than the Penn St. talent under JoePa. Very clearly Iowa was outcoached last night, and that absolutely falls on the head of KF. The Bill O'Brien offensive philosophy, along with the execution of McGloin, will always give an Iowa D fits (see Purdue, Northwestern when they have accurate quarterbacks). I'm not saying Iowa wins that game if the Iowa coaching is where it should be, but it obviously is a more competitive game.

Recruits are always going to be needed, but you don't have to be a gametape guru to see the difference between the PSU and MSU efforts and executions.
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PSU always had better talent. They were being held back by their coach. Now, they aren't. They'll have some challenges going forward with the scholarship limitations, but PSU frequently recruits a top 20 class, sometimes top 15, and occasionally a top 10 class.

We do back flips with a top 25 class.
 
atxhawk said:
If it all came down to recruiting Texas' defense wouldn't have given up 31, 36, 48, 63, and 50 points in their last five games.
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It's certainly a combination of recruiting, good player development, schemes, and in game coaching, isn't it?
 
ets look at recruiting
2005 class was top 10
2007 class was 28th
those two classes resulted in the Orange Bowl
last years and tis year seasons are the result of to many defections and the Rhabdo incident.. Iowa is not loaded like a Alabama and Florida are..
2010 had 5 4*'s, 5 2*'s of which we lost Derby, Coe and Coker leaving just CJF and Cooper
2011 had 6 4*'s, 5 2*'s none of the 4* have left and alot of them are in the 2 deeps and was rated 30th in the rankings
2012 had 5 4*, 5 2*'s and all are Red Shirting
recruiting has improved they just need to play to get experience..
this years class was rated 30th till Kenney decommitted then Iowa lost 120 popints dropping them to 45th.. Iowa has just 15 commits and will climb back up in the rankings
I forgot to add that until 2009 Iowa avg 12-13 2* recruits per year
 
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