Is Nebraska about to run our D's nightmare offense?

[74Hunter]

Well, when Persa went down so did Northwestern, when T-mart went down so did Nebraska. When a-rob went down then, then then and you still win your bowl game. Thats sustained sucess. Thats sound football.
I agree, most of the time that type of O is used by programs trying to compete and rebuild at the same time. The ones that dont have to are winging it, just to try and have a flash of sucess, why do you think so many sec teams have made it to the NC? What no one can repeat? Infact I dont think to many have that great of seasons for awhile afterwards. Now besides not having a qb lined up (way to drop the ball Bret), Wiskey looks to do well again this year, again sound football. Now that the sec wont be doing as much over signing, I fully expect you will see the tides shift and the B10 (with mostly balanced and sound teams) will be on top. Now I dont think Northwestern will be one, I dont think Mich running what they have been will be one and so on. Yes they could have a good year now and again, but thats about it.

Wow, there is so much fail in this thread, I don’t even know where to begin.

First, the SEC is a “step ahead” of everyone, and I would say recent history has shown us that it leaps ahead of the Big 10.

Second, college football is NOT pro football, it’s a similarly played game, but it is totally different. If I need to remind you, Nebraska had the most dominant 5 year span in modern college football history (along with a great 20 year stretch) using an offense (power I/option) that was far from a pro style offense. Many of the principles of Tom Osborne’s offense are used in today’s spread offenses, just ask Urban Meyer or Chip Kelley. Our major downfall came when we tried a pro-style offense after decades of great success with a college style offense.

Pro style offenses in college football? How did that work for Bill Callahan, or Charlie Weiss, or Rick Nueheisel, or the second time around for Bill Walsh? I’m sure there are more I could find, but I really don’t care.

While I agree that a running qb can take shot and smaller qbs are more at risk of injury, we had a pretty good string of running qbs who didn’t suffer season ending injuries. And are you telling me that pro qbs and pro-style qbs in college don’t get hurt. C’mon.

As for your take when Nebraska lost (or may lose) T-Mart,or Auburn losing Scam, or Meetchicken losing Robinson, etc . has something to do with the style of offense being ran, you are flat out wrong. It’s about losing a GREAT player and not having a backup that is close to as good.

What happened when Tennesse lost Peyton Manning and Tee Martin? What happened when USC no longer had Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart? What will happen when Andrew Luck leaves Stanford or what happens if he is hurt? What happens when any pro team losses their qb? What happened to the Denver Broncos since Elway retired? Normally, if you lose a great player (especially a qb), they are tough to replace, it doesn’t matter if they are a running style qb or a pro style qb.

Finally, look at the list of teams that have played in the BCS MNC in the past 8 or so years. Teams running spread: Auburn, Oregon, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, and Texas. Teams running pro-style attacks, Alabama and USC. tOSU ran both styles. You are flat out wrong in about everything you have said.

This should be nominated in the all-time fail thread.

 

[JonDMiller]

The teams you mentioned scored 21, 20, 17, 17, 7 & 16 points in their last meeting vs Iowa.
That's an average of 14.7pt/gm, 4 of which Iowa won.
The problems that Iowa has are rarely defense related.
I think its a common belief that Iowa fares better against the PSU's & Wisconsin type offenses but I don't know that the numbers really support it.

This is exactly what I was readying to post, but you beat me to it.

Michigan scored 28 against Iowa last year, but just 7 points running their 'spread'. They did most of their damage after Denard Robinson was hurt and Forcier came in and they had to go through the air nearly exclusively.

 

[hawkfan2679]

This is exactly what I was readying to post, but you beat me to it.

Michigan scored 28 against Iowa last year, but just 7 points running their 'spread'. They did most of their damage after Denard Robinson was hurt and Forcier came in and they had to go through the air nearly exclusively.

Did Michigan go with a TE, FB, and RB? I don't think they did...so wouldn't they still be spread, just a different variation? If OP is talking about Missouri being spread (when they threw the ball 50+ times) then the Forcier-led spread would be the same thing.

 

[olddude]

74 I am not even going to copy all that. I said yes any team that loses a starting qb will suffer. To what extent depends on what kind of O they run. I also would argue that Nebraska ran more pro style when they were having so much sucess and CONTINUED sucess.
As for all those teams winning NC's, your right. Again I say throw a couple Wiskeys and Iowas into those conf's and see what happens. I also ask if those teams are so deep and so good why are they not dominate in their conf (atleast for 4 years)? I dont always like the way we cover those kinds of O's but we have a winning % over them. I also must think that because those teams hang 40 or so on each other but only in the 20's on Iowa/wiskey that the D's in those conf's just are not as good as Iowa's and Wiskey's style of ball.
Yet we hang around putting 20 mabey 30 up and have a winning %, so it stands to reason as someone else pointed out one more td in the whole game and we win almost all of them. How many other teams can say that? Wiskey could be closer but those other teams, when they lose, they LOSE.
AND THE SEC IS NOT WAY AHEAD OF THE B10. Way ahead of the b12 yes, way ahead of Northwestern/Mich yes. Huh that should say something right there.
If you all cant see what Iowa and Wiskey is doing, is working, then I cant help you.

 

[74Hunter]

74 I am not even going to copy all that. I said yes any team that loses a starting qb will suffer. To what extent depends on what kind of O they run.

All I need to debunk your assertion that a running qb getting hurt has something to do with the success due to the type of offense ran, all you have to do is look at 1994. When our option qb Frazier went down (non-football related injury), we just happened to have a quality backup in Berringer, and I would say that season turned out pretty good for us.

I also would argue that Nebraska ran more pro style when they were having so much sucess and CONTINUED sucess.

We did not run a pro-style offense during the Osborne era, starting in 1980. There is a reason why the last qb we had get drafted for a shot to play qb in the NFL was Keithen McCant, and that was I think, 1991. Before that, the last one was Ferragamo. We recruited option style qbs. Just because we ran a power I and played smashmouth does not mean that we had a pro-style attack. Look at how few of our offensive players made an impact on the NFL, even during that time.

As for all those teams winning NC's, your right. Again I say throw a couple Wiskeys and Iowas into those conf's and see what happens.

Honestly, and no disrespect meant, but nothing. 2 more quality teams, but I would bet that the SEC wouldn't be scared.

AND THE SEC IS NOT WAY AHEAD OF THE B10. Way ahead of the b12 yes, way ahead of Northwestern/Mich yes. Huh that should say something right there.

Sorry, but it's true that the Big 10 has been about the 4th best football conference in the nation, far behind the SEC, and close behind the Big 12 and Pac-10. This year, with the new addtion of a national power, it will be in close running with the Big 12/Pac-12 for #2.

If you all cant see what Iowa and Wiskey is doing, is working, then I cant help you.

I've never said that it isn't working. Both programs have had some very good success doing what they are doing. It works for them. Works well, I agree. But for you to totally dismiss what many other college football teams are doing simply because you don't care for (or don't understand) it makes you look foolish.

Honestly, I respect you, I understand and respect your view on the style of football that Iowa and Wisky play, and I like our exchanges, but you are so far off on this topic.

 

[olddude]

1994 Nebraska stats. Where does your option qb's fall in at? Not the top rushers, between the two they had 104 att's for 685, where as Phillips had 286 for 1785 all by himself.
RUSHING G/GS Att. Gain Loss Net Play Game [----LP-----] TD
Phillips, L. 12/12 286 1,785 63 1,722 6.0 143.5 *74 (Pacific) 16
Schlesinger, C. 12/9 63 459 3 456 7.2 38.0 41 (TTU) 4
Childs, C. 12/0 62 399 4 395 6.4 32.9 *30 (TTU) 5
Benning, D. 12/0 67 376 9 367 5.5 30.6 23 (Pacific) 5
Makovicka, J. 12/0 47 321 0 321 6.8 26.8 50 (Pacific) 2
Berringer, B. 12/7 71 409 130 279 3.9 23.3 28 (ISU) 6
Frazier, T. 4/4 33 276 28 248 7.5 62.0 *58 (TTU) 6
Schuster, B. 12/0 13 99 1 98 7.5 8.2 33 (TTU) 0
Turman, M. 11/1 19 94 14 80 4.2 7.3 24 (Pacific) 0
Muhammad, A. 12/11 5 39 7 32 6.4 2.7 30 (UCLA) 0
Uhlir, T. 5/0 6 27 0 27 4.5 5.4 10 (Pacific) 0
Davenport, S. 3/0 4 27 2 25 6.3 8.3 12 (Pacific) 0
Alford, E. 11/1 1 17 0 17 17.0 1.6 17 (KU) 0
Jackson, V. 3/0 3 12 0 12 4.0 4.0 8 (Pacific) 0
Norris, C. 3/0 2 7 0 7 3.5 2.3 5 (WVU) 0
Washington, R. 11/0 1 5 0 5 5.0 0.5 5 (OSU) 0
Kucera, A. 1/0 1 4 0 4 4.0 4.0 4 (Pacific) 0
Stanley, C. 2/0 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0
Held, R. 1/0 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0
Team 12/0 1 0 15 -15 -15.0 -15.0 0 0
Nebraska 12 687 4,356 276 4,080 5.9 340.0 *74 44
Opponents 12 401 1,359 408 951 2.4 79.3 41 8
*Indicates touchdown scored.


Avg/ Avg/ NCAA
PASSING G/GS Att. Comp. Pct. Yds. Att. Game Int. Int% LP TD TD% Rating
Berringer, B. 12/7 151 94 .623 1,295 8.6 107.9 5 .030 *64 10 .070 149.5
Frazier, T. 4/4 44 19 .432 273 6.2 68.3 2 .050 *35 4 .090 116.2
Turman, M. 11/1 12 6 .500 81 6.8 7.4 0 .000 *24 1 .080 134.2
Vedral, J. 12/0 1 1 1.000 5 5.0 0.4 0 .000 5 0 .000 142.0
Phillips, L. 12/12 1 0 .000 0 0.0 0.0 0 .000 0 0 .000 0.0
Kucera. A. 1/0 1 0 .000 0 0.0 0.0 0 .000 0 0 .000 0.0

By your own statement you are saying injuries caused them to have to have the qb run more, but the team was not designed that way, Is that what you are saying?

 

[74Hunter]

1994 Nebraska stats. Where does your option qb's fall in at? Not the top rushers, between the two they had 104 att's for 685, where as Phillips had 286 for 1785 all by himself.
RUSHING G/GS Att. Gain Loss Net Play Game [----LP-----] TD
Phillips, L. 12/12 286 1,785 63 1,722 6.0 143.5 *74 (Pacific) 16
Schlesinger, C. 12/9 63 459 3 456 7.2 38.0 41 (TTU) 4
Childs, C. 12/0 62 399 4 395 6.4 32.9 *30 (TTU) 5
Benning, D. 12/0 67 376 9 367 5.5 30.6 23 (Pacific) 5
Makovicka, J. 12/0 47 321 0 321 6.8 26.8 50 (Pacific) 2
Berringer, B. 12/7 71 409 130 279 3.9 23.3 28 (ISU) 6
Frazier, T. 4/4 33 276 28 248 7.5 62.0 *58 (TTU) 6
Schuster, B. 12/0 13 99 1 98 7.5 8.2 33 (TTU) 0
Turman, M. 11/1 19 94 14 80 4.2 7.3 24 (Pacific) 0
Muhammad, A. 12/11 5 39 7 32 6.4 2.7 30 (UCLA) 0
Uhlir, T. 5/0 6 27 0 27 4.5 5.4 10 (Pacific) 0
Davenport, S. 3/0 4 27 2 25 6.3 8.3 12 (Pacific) 0
Alford, E. 11/1 1 17 0 17 17.0 1.6 17 (KU) 0
Jackson, V. 3/0 3 12 0 12 4.0 4.0 8 (Pacific) 0
Norris, C. 3/0 2 7 0 7 3.5 2.3 5 (WVU) 0
Washington, R. 11/0 1 5 0 5 5.0 0.5 5 (OSU) 0
Kucera, A. 1/0 1 4 0 4 4.0 4.0 4 (Pacific) 0
Stanley, C. 2/0 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0
Held, R. 1/0 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0
Team 12/0 1 0 15 -15 -15.0 -15.0 0 0
Nebraska 12 687 4,356 276 4,080 5.9 340.0 *74 44
Opponents 12 401 1,359 408 951 2.4 79.3 41 8
*Indicates touchdown scored.


Avg/ Avg/ NCAA
PASSING G/GS Att. Comp. Pct. Yds. Att. Game Int. Int% LP TD TD% Rating
Berringer, B. 12/7 151 94 .623 1,295 8.6 107.9 5 .030 *64 10 .070 149.5
Frazier, T. 4/4 44 19 .432 273 6.2 68.3 2 .050 *35 4 .090 116.2
Turman, M. 11/1 12 6 .500 81 6.8 7.4 0 .000 *24 1 .080 134.2
Vedral, J. 12/0 1 1 1.000 5 5.0 0.4 0 .000 5 0 .000 142.0
Phillips, L. 12/12 1 0 .000 0 0.0 0.0 0 .000 0 0 .000 0.0
Kucera. A. 1/0 1 0 .000 0 0.0 0.0 0 .000 0 0 .000 0.0

By your own statement you are saying injuries caused them to have to have the qb run more, but the team was not designed that way, Is that what you are saying?

So, what you are saying is that if you combine Frazier's and Berringer's #'s, they would have been the second leading rusher behind Spiderman (LP)? Sounds about right for an option based offense, keeping in mind that injuries actually cut down on the # of carries the qb's normally would have had. Also keep in mind that the IB and sometimes the FB carries the ball when running a true option play. Frazier played in about 4 games total (due to a non-football related injury). If you don’t know much about the guy read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommie_Frazier

And, if you’re not familiar with the type of offense we ran at that time, the 1995 Orange Bowl v. Miami and the 1998 Orange Bowl v. Tennessee will be played on the B1G Network this weekend. Take a look. Keep in mind, that against Miami, we didn’t run as much option as normal due to the overwhelming speed that their defense had.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

I don't even know how to post in this thread. Olddude, there is so much fail in your reasoning I don't even know where to start.

First off, it is harder to run spread offenses where the QB is running in the NFL because everyone is faster & stronger in the NFL. You can't just run by everyone like some athletes can do in college. It's a league of the best of the best. That is the main reason why the league is more of a pro style type of game. BUT. When you look at what some of the teams of late are doing (Pats, Colts), they are throw first run second type of offenses. More of a spread than anything. It does work if you have the personnel.

Yes, if certain guys like Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, or Peyton Manning go down, a team will suffer. Any pro or college team will suffer by losing your best player or your starting QB. Stanzi went down and look what happened. Just because they are a spread offense doesn't mean you are the only team susceptible to failing by injuries.

Throwing Iowa & Wisky into the SEC would only put 2 more teams in that conference. That is all. We wouldn't have beaten Auburn last year and would not have beaten Bama either. We would be a 3-5 place team in that conference most years. The B10 is not above the B12 and both are behind the SEC.

I also must think that because those teams hang 40 or so on each other but only in the 20's on Iowa/wiskey that the D's in those conf's just are not as good as Iowa's and Wiskey's style of ball.

That statement is so ridiculously bad it's comical. We play middle of the road SEC teams in bowl games. It's not like we are playing the Auburns or Bamas of late, or Florida with Tebow. Bama's D the last few years has been VERY good and Cam Newton ripped them a new one in the 2nd half. Part of the reason Iowa and Wisky don't give up as much points is because we tend to play ball control (btw the Iowa/Wisky score was 31-30. Not exactly low scoring). It's not because our style is better. It's just different. If we play those SEC teams do you really think we are going to put up 40? If we can put up 30 on a team like Wisky, we should be putting up 40+ on those teams. Right? Sigh...

The ones that dont have to are winging it, just to try and have a flash of sucess, why do you think so many sec teams have made it to the NC? What no one can repeat?

When Iowa or Wisky makes it to a NC then you can talk. I really have no clue how you can think that is sound reasoning in that "they can't repeat". They went there and WON it! Are you kidding me? It's not easy winning a NC but their systems aren't good because they can't repeat? Oh man. That is just so much fail.

 

[olddude]

Well if you want to add the two together, then add up all of the carries. So those two had 104 att's and everybody else had 525 att's. Yep with a starting qb going down, the two still combined for just under 20% of the carries. Again was this designed this way or was it out of necessity, due to injuries????

 

[olddude]

I don't even know how to post in this thread. Olddude, there is so much fail in your reasoning I don't even know where to start.

First off, it is harder to run spread offenses where the QB is running in the NFL because everyone is faster & stronger in the NFL. You can't just run by everyone like some athletes can do in college. It's a league of the best of the best. That is the main reason why the league is more of a pro style type of game. BUT. When you look at what some of the teams of late are doing (Pats, Colts), they are throw first run second type of offenses. More of a spread than anything. It does work if you have the personnel.

Yes, if certain guys like Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, or Peyton Manning go down, a team will suffer. Any pro or college team will suffer by losing your best player or your starting QB. Stanzi went down and look what happened. Just because they are a spread offense doesn't mean you are the only team susceptible to failing by injuries.

Throwing Iowa & Wisky into the SEC would only put 2 more teams in that conference. That is all. We wouldn't have beaten Auburn last year and would not have beaten Bama either. We would be a 3-5 place team in that conference most years. The B10 is not above the B12 and both are behind the SEC.

I also must think that because those teams hang 40 or so on each other but only in the 20's on Iowa/wiskey that the D's in those conf's just are not as good as Iowa's and Wiskey's style of ball.

That statement is so ridiculously bad it's comical. We play middle of the road SEC teams in bowl games. It's not like we are playing the Auburns or Bamas of late, or Florida with Tebow. Bama's D the last few years has been VERY good and Cam Newton ripped them a new one in the 2nd half. Part of the reason Iowa and Wisky don't give up as much points is because we tend to play ball control (btw the Iowa/Wisky score was 31-30. Not exactly low scoring). It's not because our style is better. It's just different. If we play those SEC teams do you really think we are going to put up 40? If we can put up 30 on a team like Wisky, we should be putting up 40+ on those teams. Right? Sigh...

The ones that dont have to are winging it, just to try and have a flash of sucess, why do you think so many sec teams have made it to the NC? What no one can repeat?

When Iowa or Wisky makes it to a NC then you can talk. I really have no clue how you can think that is sound reasoning in that "they can't repeat". They went there and WON it! Are you kidding me? It's not easy winning a NC but their systems aren't good because they can't repeat? Oh man. That is just so much fail.

I think you need to go back and re read what I said. If you do and still have issues with it I will try and explain it better. The whole scoring numbers isnt even close to what I said, as for the sec and us, yea lets put Penn up against Bama. Our middle of the pack against there supposed upper level. As for the B10 and sec and B12, do your homework. I also think you put Wiskey up against Auburn/OR, then the next week, put Iowa up against Auburn/OR, the 3rd week put Mich St up against Auburn/OR. Chances are injuries mount and bye bye season for Auburn or OR. So while I am not saying "Iowa can beat anybody" and thumping my chest, I am saying Auburn would have NEVER made it to the NC if they would have been in the B10 last year. Ok I take back never but I will say the odds of it are very very unlikely.
AGAIN, yes Stanzi could get hurt and so could Scam, odds of Scam getting hurt are way higher as he runs the ball. Then you have to wonder whats our record if Stanzi goes down first game? Whats Auburns if Scam goes down first game? AGAIN odds say with a better running game and some good RB's and a balanced attack playing more sound football, we end up with a better record. That is the difference between the two styles of ball.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

I think you need to go back and re read what I said. If you do and still have issues with it I will try and explain it better. The whole scoring numbers isnt even close to what I said, as for the sec and us, yea lets put Penn up against Bama. Our middle of the pack against there supposed upper level. As for the B10 and sec and B12, do your homework. I also think you put Wiskey up against Auburn, then the next week, put Iowa up against Auburn, the 3rd week put Mich St up against Auburn. Chances are injuries mount and bye bye season for Auburn. So while I am not saying "Iowa can beat anybody" and thumping my chest, I am saying Auburn would have NEVER made it to the NC if they would have been in the B10 last year. Ok I take back never but I will say the odds of it are very very unlikely.

If I were Auburn I would much rather play this schedule:

Iowa
MSU
Penn St
Wisky


than:

South Carolina
LSU
Alabama
Florida

Auburn wins the NC last year no matter what conference they are in. You are off your rocker if you think the B10 would have a better chance of "injuring" Auburn players than the SEC. That is basically what you just said. I really don't know how anyone can say that with a straight face.

 

[olddude]

If I were Auburn I would much rather play this schedule:

Iowa
MSU
Penn St
Wisky


than:

South Carolina
LSU
Alabama
Florida

Auburn wins the NC last year no matter what conference they are in. You are off your rocker if you think the B10 would have a better chance of "injuring" Auburn players than the SEC. That is basically what you just said. I really don't know how anyone can say that with a straight face.

Wow, I gotta go for now, while I am gone, why dont you reflect on a D designed to cover the spread or whatever you want to call it and compare them to say Iowas or Wiskeys ground attack. As has already been pointed out our D's can hold those "high powered" O's of the south to most of the times there lost scoring of the year, makes sence that we play better D, better D most of the times is harder on O's and that includes injuries .

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

So, what you are saying is that if you combine Frazier's and Berringer's #'s, they would have been the second leading rusher behind Spiderman (LP)? Sounds about right for an option based offense, keeping in mind that injuries actually cut down on the # of carries the qb's normally would have had. Also keep in mind that the IB and sometimes the FB carries the ball when running a true option play. Frazier played in about 4 games total (due to a non-football related injury). If you don’t know much about the guy read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommie_Frazier

And, if you’re not familiar with the type of offense we ran at that time, the 1995 Orange Bowl v. Miami and the 1998 Orange Bowl v. Tennessee will be played on the B1G Network this weekend. Take a look. Keep in mind, that against Miami, we didn’t run as much option as normal due to the overwhelming speed that their defense had.

Tommie Frazier was overrated.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

Wow, I gotta go for now, while I am gone, why dont you reflect on a D designed to cover the spread or whatever you want to call it and compare them to say Iowas or Wiskeys ground attack. As has already been pointed out our D's can hold those "high powered" O's of the south to most of the times there lost scoring of the year, makes sence that we play better D, better D most of the times is harder on O's and that includes injuries .

While it took me a while to decipher what that said, I'll give it a crack.

What "high powered" O's of the South has Iowa or Wisky been "shutting down"? Iowa has played middle of the pack SEC teams in bowl games. None of which you could say had "high powered" O's. Please give examples.

You are making an argument that Iowa causes more injuries to teams than does an SEC team. Why don't you reflect on that a bit? Absurd, at best.

BTW, have you looked at what Bama did to MSU last year in the bowl game? How about Miss St vs Michigan? How about Penn St and Florida?

You saying the B10 is close to the SEC is a joke. They have NC's to prove their worth. I would love for the B10 to be as good or better than the SEC, but for now it isn't happening.

Iowa and Wisky are good at what they do. They have a game plan and it works. But to say that we have good enough D's to injure SEC teams because we are so "tough", is ridiculous. Yes, we pride ourselves on good defense....but let's not kid ourselves here, we gave up over 430 through the air to Missouri in that bowl game.

 

[74Hunter]

Tommie Frazier was overrated.

You, sir, are either clueless, ignorant, or a troll. He was the probably the greatest college football quarterback of all time, and is regularly considered to be one of the top players of all time, period.

 

[74Hunter]

Well if you want to add the two together, then add up all of the carries. So those two had 104 att's and everybody else had 525 att's. Yep with a starting qb going down, the two still combined for just under 20% of the carries. Again was this designed this way or was it out of necessity, due to injuries????

I guess I’m not sure what to even say, since now we’re well off the topic. LP was the starter all year at IB, Frazier started 4 games, Berringer 7, and Turman 1 at qb, that’s why I combined the numbers. Either way, it has nothing to due with the fact that we ran a power I offense with option principles, and we recruited qbs with the skill to run the option.

And it also doesn’t change the fact that the spread attacks are every bit as potent or relevant as the traditional pro style offenses, and they are probably even better for the college game.

As for your other premise, if Iowa was playing national championship caliber teams from the SEC every year, I would bet that your defensive stats wouldn’t looks quite as good.

 

[03bizHawk]

Gotta stick up for 74 for a second...Frazier was NOT overrated. Not the best ever, but VERY good. Only Neb think he's the best ever.
Ok 74, I gotta ask, why do you give so many backhanded compliments? Seriously, u tell someone u like them then a sentence later tell them they're an idiot who has no clue about anything. What's the point?

 

[74Hunter]

Gotta stick up for 74 for a second...Frazier was NOT overrated. Not the best ever, but VERY good. Only Neb think he's the best ever.
Ok 74, I gotta ask, why do you give so many backhanded compliments? Seriously, u tell someone u like them then a sentence later tell them they're an idiot who has no clue about anything. What's the point?

I guess because I realize that I may come across as a smartass or a jerk, cuz I'm a little edgy. I just don't want to make things personal, or have a ******* contest with anyone over the interwebs.

Also, just because I disagree with someones's post (vehemently) it doesn't mean that I dislike them personally.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

I guess because I realize that I may come across as a smartass or a jerk, cuz I'm a little edgy. I just don't want to make things personal, or have a ******* contest with anyone over the interwebs.

Also, just because I disagree with someones's post (vehemently) it doesn't mean that I dislike them personally.

It isn't hard to disagree with what is being proposed in this thread.

 

[olddude]

Ok, did you watch Coker flatten guys from Missery? Missery runs what kind of O and recruits to stop what kind of O? You honestly think Missery would have been ranked so high if they played in the B10? The sec runs a bit different than Missery, I'll give you that but there is a reason people say the B10 plays smash mouth football, there is a reason announsers say when Iowa gts off the bus they are physical. You dont hear that about sec teams. Two differnet types off games, when you put all your eggs in one basket and that basket is in a smash mouth conf, the chances of said egg getting broke are greater than in a conf where things are not so rough. We recriut to play our style of ball and STILL have had troubles keeping RB's healthy, what do you think would happen to a team that recruits for a different, less physical type of ball?