Is Fran not interested in transfers or are transfers not interested in Iowa?

[Cyhawk7]

Really? I dont see it.

With the roster they have now they would have a backcourt of Long, Morris and Thomas. Dont expect Morris' incredible A/TO numbers to continue next year when he doesnt have Kane to handle a lot of the ball handling duties. The other 2 are 3 point shooters and thats it. I know Thomas was probably the best shooter in the country his senior year of high school but he didnt show much last year. Dorsey Walker is still there and they have Custer coming that will play some but those 2 arent going to produce much.

Their front court will be solid with Hogue and Niang returning but who knows what McKay and Nader will bring.

Fred needs to add at least 1 more transfer, maybe 2 that will have an impact next year otherwise I would expect ISU to take a step back from this season.

A lineup of Morris, Long/Thomas, Hogue, Niang and McKay doesnt seem like a Top 15 team with Nader, Custer and Long/Thomas coming off the bench.

I just want to point one thing out to you. Going into Hoiberg's second year he returned only a freshman in Ejim and Christooherson. Going into his third year he returned only Ejim, Babb and McGee. Going into his 4th year he returned Ejim, Niang and Long who saw no meaningful minutes his freshman year.

ISU is only losing Kane and Ejim. ISU brings back Monte, Hogue and Niang along with Thomas and Long. This is easily the best group of players Hoiberg has returned so far in his tenure at ISU. We add Mckay(#3 overall juco from a year ago), Nader(Multiple analyst who have seen him play are already predicting him to win the newcomer award next year)' and a 4* recruit in Clayton Custer. It's almost certain Hoiberg will add a transfer guard before the summer see Dejean-Jones.

ISU is in no way looking at a set back year. Just remember it was pretty much unanimous among Iowa fans that ISU was going to the NIT this year yet Hoiberg produced easily his best team to date. The last two years Iowa fans have been saying this is the year they take a step back yet all Hoiberg has been doing is taking steps forward. Eventually you Iowa fans are going to have to start wising up.

 

[WindsorHawk]

I'm glad McDermott has been able to succeed at Creighton. It kind of proves that it wasn't him, but ISU that must adopt a different strategy to compete.

I disagree with this. His son was a rare talent. The elder McDermott must win without Doug before he's anything more than a mid-major coach in my book.

 

[ICHAWK]

Calipari is a sleeze bag. I'll grant that Hoiberg isn't. Neither strategy for recruiting is what college sports should be about. This phenomenon about what have you done for me lately goes no where with me. I'm glad McDermott has been able to succeed at Creighton. It kind of proves that it wasn't him, but ISU that must adopt a different strategy to compete.

What are you even talking about?

Calipari tries to recruit the best high school seniors just like EVERY COACH IN AMERICA! that is hardly a new strategy. He just happens to recruit seniors in high school at times that are good enough to only play one or two years of college basketball. Calipari meets with players, gives them his honest opinion and uses his NBA ties to see where the player projects. Calipari actually cares about his players and it's not all about him so if the player is a legit top 15-20 pick Calipari tells the player to leave. He isn't one of these fakes like coach K or coach Boeheim who try to get players to stay to benefit the coach and not the player.

Fred just like Fran has transfers but I guess you forgot about Uthoff & HUbbard & Cartwright? I think Fred has only had 2-3 guys who were 5th year guys transfer so they could play right away. Kane, Booker and maybe Christoperson?

JUCO guys are all over college bball and can play right away. Iowa has been after JUCO guys since Fran has been at Iowa.

I guess I just don't know what the heck you are even talking about.

Let's see how good Coach McD is once Doug leaves and they had other solid seniors as well.

Besides Coach McD stole his son from UNI who had already committed there so I guess that is a slime ball move too.

 

[Laminak]

Calipari is a sleeze bag. I'll grant that Hoiberg isn't. Neither strategy for recruiting is what college sports should be about.

I agree here, however that's a problem due to the NBA. As long as the NCAA acts like a minor league for the NBA, you'll have more instant gratification, transfers, one-and-dones, and other junk not seen a few decades ago.

This is where you fall of the tracks:

I don't know how old you are or care, but ISU has had some real ****** bag coaches. Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, and Wayne Morgan come to mind. Little integrity in my book. Three of the biggest exploiters of players in college bball. I'm glad McDermott has been able to succeed at Creighton. It kind of proves that it wasn't him, but ISU that must adopt a different strategy to compete.

How did Floyd, Eustachy, and Morgan exploit players? Link?

Other than that nonsensical point, tying their integrity to ISU is a joke. Floyd's integrity tanked after ISU, after he flamed out in the NBA, and when he was at USC. He had no violations at ISU. Eustachy also had no violations at ISU, however was an alcoholic and was fired for it. Morgan comment is very puzzling, since he had no violations as well and not known to have any issues. Did any keep a convicted rapist on their ISU teams?

You lost all credibility with McDermott praise. First of all, he had his star son to carry his teams. Second of all, McDermott is a classic mid-major coach. He couldn't adjust to the power conferences. He vastly underachieved with the talent he had and he couldn't keep talent he recruited. ISU fans were very frustrated seeing unprecedented player after player transfer from his teams. It was definitely on McDermott.

 

[DP5555]

I just want to point one thing out to you. Going into Hoiberg's second year he returned only a freshman in Ejim and Christooherson. Going into his third year he returned only Ejim, Babb and McGee. Going into his 4th year he returned Ejim, Niang and Long who saw no meaningful minutes his freshman year.

ISU is only losing Kane and Ejim. ISU brings back Monte, Hogue and Niang along with Thomas and Long. This is easily the best group of players Hoiberg has returned so far in his tenure at ISU. We add Mckay(#3 overall juco from a year ago), Nader(Multiple analyst who have seen him play are already predicting him to win the newcomer award next year)' and a 4* recruit in Clayton Custer. It's almost certain Hoiberg will add a transfer guard before the summer see Dejean-Jones.

ISU is in no way looking at a set back year. Just remember it was pretty much unanimous among Iowa fans that ISU was going to the NIT this year yet Hoiberg produced easily his best team to date. The last two years Iowa fans have been saying this is the year they take a step back yet all Hoiberg has been doing is taking steps forward. Eventually you Iowa fans are going to have to start wising up.

Lol hearing that comment from an ISU fan is freakin hilarious. #OneWayForward #AllIn #CycloneState #ManginoLazardSavior

The Cyclone football team is absolute garbage and there are no signs of getting past 4 or 5 wins anywhere in the near future, yet your fan base chooses to completely ignore the facts. Wise up... lol please man. Take that comment back to CyFan and tell those lemmings to wise up.

 

[mj4cy]

College basketball recruiting is a cesspool. Hoiberg has been able to exploit it by seeking transfers and setting up an environment that welcomes them. I see very little difference between Hoiberg and Kentucky's Calipari strategies, both are fond of one or two year players. The difference is Calipari recruits freshman and Hoiberg recruits seniors with a fifth year of eligibility. Calipari has been more successful by going deeper in the NCAA tournament than Hoiberg. Hoiberg has the medal for making the NCAA Tournament each year where KY missed last year. In all of this remember ISU has not made it pass the sweet 16 and KY has.

In reviewing the last four years Iowa managed to improve each year with only Uthoff as a transfer. It is now looking at adding two juco players. The distance between the ISU program and Iowa's has narrowed significantly from four years ago. Next year maybe the year Iowa finishes better than ISU. Discussions about transfers is a false one.erg

There is so much wrong in this post

-Fred has only taken 2 players as 5th year transfers. Jake Anderson and Deandre Kane. All other transfers have had to sit out a year on campus.

-All transfers under Fred have either earned a pro contract or have graduated.

-There was not much distance at all between ISU and Iowa 4 years ago. Hoiberg had 3 returning scholarship players in his first season. I would argue Hoiberg has increased the distance in the two programs at this point. Is Iowa supposed to be better this year without Marble and Basabe? Hoiberg will reload with Nader and McKay and brings back Niang, Morris, and Hogue.

 

[mj4cy]

I disagree with this. His son was a rare talent. The elder McDermott must win without Doug before he's anything more than a mid-major coach in my book.

Agree with this. Will Creighton ever be as high of a seed as they were last year? They aren't in the Valley anymore....the Georgetowns, Marquettes, and Villanovas of the world aren't going to let up.

 

[Stanzi]

ISU is in no way looking at a set back year. Just remember it was pretty much unanimous among Iowa fans that ISU was going to the NIT this year yet Hoiberg produced easily his best team to date. The last two years Iowa fans have been saying this is the year they take a step back yet all Hoiberg has been doing is taking steps forward. Eventually you Iowa fans are going to have to start wising up.

Nice. Make things up to try and make a point. Most publications had ISU as an NCAA tournament team, and I'd love for you to show me where "most Iowa fans thought ISU was going to the NIT." You're a tool.

 

[acgclone]

Of the 400-500 transfers every year, the vast majority aren't worth even looking at because they are trying to find more playing time by going down to a lower level of competition. Realistically, there are maybe 30-40 transfers that can make an impact on a high major team.

Of that number, most have to sit for a year. You may have roughly 10 or so immediate transfers and from what I've seen the competition is very high for them, with teams like KU, tOSU, Duke, Kentucky, etc all getting involved.

However the equalizer is that these immediate transfers want to contribute, so that may even give a school like ISU, Mizzou, Oregon, Iowa, etc who isn't generally considered as good as the blue blood programs, a huge advantage. Do guys with one year of eligibility left want to fight with a 5-star for playing time, or would they rather walk in and plug a hole at a school like ISU?

 

[WindsorHawk]

IMO - Fran is interested in the right transfers...guys that fit the big picture. This is probably 5 players or less in any given year. Out of a pool this small not many will be interested in Iowa...just a numbers game.

 

[HawkIPA]

I just want to point one thing out to you. Going into Hoiberg's second year he returned only a freshman in Ejim and Christooherson. Going into his third year he returned only Ejim, Babb and McGee. Going into his 4th year he returned Ejim, Niang and Long who saw no meaningful minutes his freshman year.

ISU is only losing Kane and Ejim. ISU brings back Monte, Hogue and Niang along with Thomas and Long. This is easily the best group of players Hoiberg has returned so far in his tenure at ISU. We add Mckay(#3 overall juco from a year ago), Nader(Multiple analyst who have seen him play are already predicting him to win the newcomer award next year)' and a 4* recruit in Clayton Custer. It's almost certain Hoiberg will add a transfer guard before the summer see Dejean-Jones.

ISU is in no way looking at a set back year. Just remember it was pretty much unanimous among Iowa fans that ISU was going to the NIT this year yet Hoiberg produced easily his best team to date. The last two years Iowa fans have been saying this is the year they take a step back yet all Hoiberg has been doing is taking steps forward. Eventually you Iowa fans are going to have to start wising up.

You sure told me. So you are predicting at least a Big 12 tourney title and a spot in the Sweet 16 next year for ISU? I would think so since you arent expecting the Clones to take a step back next year.

 

[BryceC]

With jones I would expect about 25 wins and a team parked in the top 25 for most of the season, which is basically about what happened this year. I do think they will not be as likely to be so clutch so I wouldn't be shocked to see them not win the big 12 tourney or make the sweet 16.