Is Ferentz hurting his player's draft prospects?

[cmhawks99]

Great comparison here with McNutt and Blackmon. If you watch both, Blackmon is an athletic freak, but his routes are not good, just run up the field, and he couldn't block a wet paper bag, where McNutt is sound in all aspects and a good athlete, but not as athletic as Blackmon or Wright from Baylor.

I think we often times over state a person’s said athleticism and what we are really looking at is just skill and acumen at playing a position….there are countless players and when I say countless I mean way more NFL players that are pretty average in the athlete department, but just know what they are supposed to do, than the other way around.

Let’s look at Blackmon….he is 6-1 215 ran a 4.46 and jumped 35 vertical and 10-3 broad and has 9 ¼ hands….

Wright is….5-11 ran a 4.41 jumped 38.5 and 10-1 broad and has 8 3/8’s hands…

McNutt is 6-3 217 ran a 4.54 jumped 37 and broad jumped 10—2 with 10 inch hands….

I don’t know what his agility numbers are but Iowa players notoriously run great shuttle and pro agility numbers so I’m not seeing way better athletes here, just apparently better WR’s….now I’d think Marv would get pluses for only playing WR 3 years, but who knows…

 

[cmhawks99]

whar success for Iowa if Kurt is soooo good at coaching up? why no Rose Bowl or NC?
why only 7 win avg?

I was just thinking it has to make some of our fans mad when they here this....they are convinced they aren't coached very good at all....lol

 

[TheAvernus]

I dont know what to think about the OPs question. How can he send so many people to the NFL but just be an above average coach. If he were over coaching players we sure as heck wouldnt be hovering around .500 against the lower end teams on our schedule. We wouldnt have stacked teams and fall short as often. Now with that said weve had average teams that impressed and went beyond what most thought. If anything were just an anomaly of a program and we will consider to send 5-7 players to the NFL who just have good careers. Its not like any of the KF era NFL players are HOFers. Sanders would be if he could have stayed healthy. Clark with another year of healthy Manning throwing to him probably. So you could argue either way. I say take the NFL and draft for what they are business decisions that go for you one day and against you the other 364 its a rough tough world and all we can do is watch, speculate, and cheer them on. I would love more wins year in and year out but watching NFL Sundays is a lot more fun with former Hawks on the field so I say change for the better but also keep doing what hes doing at the same time.

 

[cmhawks99]

I dont know what to think about the OPs question. How can he send so many people to the NFL but just be an above average coach. If he were over coaching players we sure as heck wouldnt be hovering around .500 against the lower end teams on our schedule. We wouldnt have stacked teams and fall short as often. Now with that said weve had average teams that impressed and went beyond what most thought. If anything were just an anomaly of a program and we will consider to send 5-7 players to the NFL who just have good careers. Its not like any of the KF era NFL players are HOFers. Sanders would be if he could have stayed healthy. Clark with another year of healthy Manning throwing to him probably. So you could argue either way. I say take the NFL and draft for what they are business decisions that go for you one day and against you the other 364 its a rough tough world and all we can do is watch, speculate, and cheer them on. I would love more wins year in and year out but watching NFL Sundays is a lot more fun with former Hawks on the field so I say change for the better but also keep doing what hes doing at the same time.

We are a bit of an anomaly……we do have good coaches and we recruit better than the rankings say….we also lack some leadership and chemistry at times it seems. We are consistently a very hard team to beat and just as consistently we lose games we shouldn’t. It’s hard to figure out really, but we are still a name program that’s makes a lot of money and has talent….I’m still glad we are Iowa and KF is our coach..

 

[VintageHawkeye]

I was just thinking it has to make some of our fans mad when they here this....they are convinced they aren't coached very good at all....lol

Chad, I think Kurt is a good O-line coach, and we've had some stellar defensive players in his time, but he is not a good recruiter or coach of offensive skill positions and therefore we don't win much.
Good o-lineman simply do not translate into championship teams. Sure, they are a part, but not the primary part.
QB & RB...they don't come to Iowa to play for ferentz and compete for championships.
And don't give me any Shonn Greene BS; he was a total fluke and everyone knows it. And we didn't win anything when he was here, anyway.

 

[cmhawks99]

Chad, I think Kurt is a good O-line coach, and we've had some stellar defensive players in his time, but he is not a good recruiter or coach of offensive skill positions and therefore we don't win much.
Good o-lineman simply do not translate into championship teams. Sure, they are a part, but not the primary part.
QB & RB...they don't come to Iowa to play for ferentz and compete for championships.
And don't give me any Shonn Greene BS; he was a total fluke and everyone knows it. And we didn't win anything when he was here, anyway.

Well it sounds like you are in the minority when it comes to the national pundits, but then again we knew that already didn’t we…….

I’m not sure whether it’s a good or bad thing that a good “O-line” coach is responsible for the best 10 year stretch of football in Iowa history……

And I think its also quite telling that the highest paid spots in the NFL and top 10 are reserved for OT’s DL,s CB’s and QB’s……all but QB’s being a position where Iowa has had some success. Not WR, not Rber…but O-line and D-line and then lots and lots of quality DB’s….

Finally Albert Young is still in the NFL….

So much wrong here but I think I’ve said enuff……

 

[TheAvernus]

We are a bit of an anomaly……we do have good coaches and we recruit better than the rankings say….we also lack some leadership and chemistry at times it seems. We are consistently a very hard team to beat and just as consistently we lose games we shouldn’t. It’s hard to figure out really, but we are still a name program that’s makes a lot of money and has talent….I’m still glad we are Iowa and KF is our coach..

Indeed cmhawks, I have no problem being an anomaly it leads to some wild seasons. Now with that said it leads to some heart wrenching/attack seasons as well . I will always be supporting of the Hawks and KF as our coach is fine by me, sometimes that gets skewed but I know we could be much much worse off. He does really seem to be a changed/rejuvenated man this spring after the changes. Sticking in house with Parker doesn't disappoint me and bringing in new blood like Davis I think shows his commitment to the team being better. Hes not ok with the garbage losses we have had but sometimes in interviews I think he should stress that a little more. I know you dont want to get down on the kids and I will always respect him protecting them but to hear him be so calm after a big loss is unsettling. I can think of many "better" coaches but that doesnt mean they would be better then Kirk if they were at Iowa. Kirk knows the drill and how things work. He also sets the tone, him being so calm about losses I think trickles down the ladder a little to much. I think he needs to think about hiring Drew Tate as the sparking motivator and to give everyone a little flack for a weak outing. That dude could get a 75 year old shuffle board team pumped up for an insurance seminar.

 

[cmhawks99]

Chad, I think Kurt is a good O-line coach, and we've had some stellar defensive players in his time, but he is not a good recruiter or coach of offensive skill positions and therefore we don't win much.
Good o-lineman simply do not translate into championship teams. Sure, they are a part, but not the primary part.
QB & RB...they don't come to Iowa to play for ferentz and compete for championships.
And don't give me any Shonn Greene BS; he was a total fluke and everyone knows it. And we didn't win anything when he was here, anyway.

By the by….Bama has 3 Rbers in the NFL.... Ingram, Richardson, and Laron McClain. 2 QB’s the illustrious John Parker Williams and Greg McElroy and one stud WR…in Jones…… and lots and lots and lots of DL’s OL’s and stud defenders…u know what wins games…lol

Florida has 6 wr’s but NO Rbers and Tebow and Grossman……this goes on and on by the way….

Iowa has 1 WR, 2 Rbers and 1 QB and 200 TE’s…..Its comparable….

 

[cmhawks99]

Indeed cmhawks, I have no problem being an anomaly it leads to some wild seasons. Now with that said it leads to some heart wrenching/attack seasons as well . I will always be supporting of the Hawks and KF as our coach is fine by me, sometimes that gets skewed but I know we could be much much worse off. He does really seem to be a changed/rejuvenated man this spring after the changes. Sticking in house with Parker doesn't disappoint me and bringing in new blood like Davis I think shows his commitment to the team being better. Hes not ok with the garbage losses we have had but sometimes in interviews I think he should stress that a little more. I know you dont want to get down on the kids and I will always respect him protecting them but to hear him be so calm after a big loss is unsettling. I can think of many "better" coaches but that doesnt mean they would be better then Kirk if they were at Iowa. Kirk knows the drill and how things work. He also sets the tone, him being so calm about losses I think trickles down the ladder a little to much. I think he needs to think about hiring Drew Tate as the sparking motivator and to give everyone a little flack for a weak outing. That dude could get a 75 year old shuffle board team pumped up for an insurance seminar.

Although I get what you are saying that’s not what they preach in leadership seminars and quite frankly they (my bosses) and I have spent lots and lots of time in toning me down a notch. What you are talking about is us as fans, not good leadership…

 

[TheAvernus]

Although I get what you are saying that’s not what they preach in leadership seminars and quite frankly they (my bosses) and I have spent lots and lots of time in toning me down a notch. What you are talking about is us as fans, not good leadership…

I think there is a huge difference in how you motivate a person who works in an office over a college athlete on a football field, but you are right there is a fine fine line. Ive seen way to many championship documentaries ranging from HS/College/Pros showing fired up coaches pumping players up to think having someone like that on a team to be a bad thing. I know there is a lot to be said about keeping a level head and eye on the prize but passion/excitement/emotion do not always seem to be high on our team.

 

[PhoenixHawk]

Texas has had 3 players drafted (of 11 eligible listed at espn). Mack Brown is hurting his players chances!

 

[cmhawks99]

I think there is a huge difference in how you motivate a person who works in an office over a college athlete on a football field, but you are right there is a fine fine line. Ive seen way to many championship documentaries ranging from HS/College/Pros showing fired up coaches pumping players up to think having someone like that on a team to be a bad thing.

Haven’t you also seen the latter...I know I have. Lovie Smith, Bill Belichik, Tony Dungy, Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Andy Reid, Bill Walsh, Mike McCarthy…etc, etc, etc, etc.....too many to list. In fact Id compare most of those men to KF and quite frankly I’ve seen them all, KF included call it like it is and say they aren't very good but I haven’t seen any of them be very disrespectful or demonstrative …..and for the record leading men in the work place versus a competition is very similar….they are different people and you can’t get them to high or too low…..

Alas we see what we want to see. But I know this…………that list above is very, very, very long…..and things are changing daily. Passion is good (I hope anyway because that’s me thru and thru) but it has to be tempered. Those in control have a better grasp of their people than those who don’t in the long run…but hey, that’s my opinion. I believe it is well documented but you are entitled to yours as well.

 

[Foval21]

Although I get what you are saying that�s not what they preach in leadership seminars and quite frankly they (my bosses) and I have spent lots and lots of time in toning me down a notch. What you are talking about is us as fans, not good leadership�

I think there is a huge difference in how you motivate a person who works in an office over a college athlete on a football field, but you are right there is a fine fine line. Ive seen way to many championship documentaries ranging from HS/College/Pros showing fired up coaches pumping players up to think having someone like that on a team to be a bad thing.

for every shot they have of a rah rah coach leading their team to victory there are hundreds of those same types that lost. players should get themselves and their teammates fired up. coaches should be up in players grills during practice and from everything i have heard kf is a different person at practice than he is on the sidelines. give me the tom coughlin over the rex ryan any day.

 

[TheAvernus]

I think you are right Phoenix, I think Mack Brown should be working on his exit things dont seem to be flowing in Texas. Mack doesnt want to become another Lloyd Carr and risk losing to a FCS team Wait scratch that I want to see that.

 

[TheAvernus]

for every shot they have of a rah rah coach leading their team to victory there are hundreds of those same types that lost. players should get themselves and their teammates fired up. coaches should be up in players grills during practice and from everything i have heard kf is a different person at practice than he is on the sidelines. give me the tom coughlin over the rex ryan any day.

I do agree there is a fine line, you can over pump players up too. I know when I got real excited before games as a young athlete it was easy to burn yourself out and you could come out flat and sometimes never get that so called second wind. My biggest point was when we do lose a game we really shouldnt there is no real emotion from Kirk this is fine to a point but I think it sits as its ok its just a game when its not ok its a shame to lose games you really should win. Every team does it every team experiences it, it does hit harder when it happens to us but thats really because it happens way to much. But you have a great point you need that in your face in practice because if you cant get practice right you sure as heck wont get it right in the game. Game mistakes will always happen as no one is 100% cool under pressure 100% of the time. Things happen and sometimes another player just does better and you can do nothing but watch it on replay and try not to get beat that way again.

 

[PhoenixHawk]

Other notables (from espn list):

USC - 3 drafted of 11 listed as eligible
Florida - 2/8
Florida St. - 4/11
Tex A&M - 4/12
Texas - 3/11
Tex Tech - 0/4
Ark - 4/11
Auburn - 1/7
Miami - 6/21
Mich - 3/9
Mich St. 6/12
OSU - 4/10
Oklahoma 7/9
Ok St - 3/12
Ill - 4/9
Iowa - 6/12
ISU - 1/9
Debbie - 4/10

 

[VintageHawkeye]

I will depart this thread with a final thought: I don't give a burning sh!t about how many former Iowa players get drafted and/or go on the careers in the NFL.
I am an Iowa grad and I want Iowa to win, as often and as big as possible. I don't take any satisfaction from ex-Iowa players winning elsewhere. Bulaga @ green bay?? Who gives a sh!t!
Under Kurt, we win with some regularity...and we also lose with regularity. We rarely win a really big game and we've never been close to playing for the Crystal Football.
Sorry if I get no satisfaction from a bunch of late round draft picks like the rest of you seem to.
It ain't enough. Is sure as hell ain't worth nearly 4 million bucks a year.

 

[Hawkfromnorwalk]

I will depart this thread with a final thought: I don't give a burning sh!t about how many former Iowa players get drafted and/or go on the careers in the NFL.
I am an Iowa grad and I want Iowa to win, as often and as big as possible. I don't take any satisfaction from ex-Iowa players winning elsewhere. Bulaga @ green bay?? Who gives a sh!t!
Under Kurt, we win with some regularity...and we also lose with regularity. We rarely win a really big game and we've never been close to playing for the Crystal Football.
Sorry if I get no satisfaction from a bunch of late round draft picks like the rest of you seem to.
It ain't enough. Is sure as hell ain't worth nearly 4 million bucks a year.

This post just guaranteed this thread will go another 5 pages.

 

[cmhawks99]

This post just guaranteed this thread will go another 5 pages.

It shouldn’t ....bitterness is bitterness and you can’t rationalize with it. We have won lots of really big games in a great 10 year run. Great by past Iowa standards anyway and anyone who can’t acknowledge that does merit a whole lot of consideration. In that same vein, someone that doesn’t see the long term benefit of sending kids to the NFL….for recruiting at the least…well again, they don’t merit much thought. I believe in that spirit people will ignore him and move along….he is what he is.

 

[TheAvernus]

Well put cmhawks99, being a pipeline to the NFL is one of the best recruiting tools you can have. What high school kid doesnt have the ambition to play in the NFL? Especially when being recruited by a FBS school. Knowing going to Iowa if you work hard have the right skills it can be a possibility is a massive leg up when it comes to recruiting.