Iowa's Great Offensive Line and Senior QB

[MelroseHawkins]

Iowa coaches do a good job of getting many of their O-linemen in the NFL, but as a unit they seemed to be over-hyped year after year. I'm not going to name individual players in college but their are a couple on that line that maybe shouldn't be starting. Does KF have an allegiance for certain upperclassman players that he likes?

Stanley is having no time back there and is pretty much a statue. I don't want to harp on Stanley but the fact is if I talk about the QB position, everybody will know who I'm speaking of anyway. Why doesn't Iowa get more out of their senior QB's? I get that Stanley puts up great numbers an knocking on the top 2-3 in a few categories at Iowa, but let's face it, he hasn't done the greatest against tough competition or in the BIG conference in general. I think he hovers around .500 in conference play.

Does anybody remember this play in the 3rd Q? Stanley saw the LB to the L of him looking like he was going to blitz from just outside the DE on that side. Stanley audibles the play to a slant run to the side of the blitzing player that he saw. Now if you have a great O-line (see Wisconsin) you may be able to block that for a gain, but Iowa's line hasn't been producing in the run game or protecting well. Why the hell are you running into that blitz? It's those kinds of decisions that I have to wonder. A senior QB!!

Offense scheming and play calling. Why hasn't Stanley had a couple designed runs to help loosen these defenses up a bit. What do they have to lose. The just keep having him go back to a collapsing pocket. The coaches have GOT TO come up with some quick hit short passes to offeset some of these blitzes. Make it one damn read for a guy in space.

 

[eveningnewsteam]

Iowa coaches do a good job of getting many of their O-linemen in the NFL, but as a unit they seemed to be over-hyped year after year. I'm not going to name individual players in college but their are a couple on that line that maybe shouldn't be starting. Does KF have an allegiance for certain upperclassman players that he likes?

Stanley is having no time back there and is pretty much a statue. I don't want to harp on Stanley but the fact is if I talk about the QB position, everybody will know who I'm speaking of anyway. Why doesn't Iowa get more out of their senior QB's? I get that Stanley puts up great numbers an knocking on the top 2-3 in a few categories at Iowa, but let's face it, he hasn't done the greatest against tough competition or in the BIG conference in general. I think he hovers around .500 in conference play.

Does anybody remember this play in the 3rd Q? Stanley saw the LB to the L of him looking like he was going to blitz from just outside the DE on that side. Stanley audibles the play to a slant run to the side of the blitzing player that he saw. Now if you have a great O-line (see Wisconsin) you may be able to block that for a gain, but Iowa's line hasn't been producing in the run game or protecting well. Why the hell are you running into that blitz? It's those kinds of decisions that I have to wonder. A senior QB!!

Offense scheming and play calling. Why hasn't Stanley had a couple designed runs to help loosen these defenses up a bit. What do they have to lose. The just keep having him go back to a collapsing pocket. The coaches have GOT TO come up with some quick hit short passes to offeset some of these blitzes. Make it one damn read for a guy in space.

You run into the blitz because that player is vacating space in the defense opening up a lane. What you hope happens is protection picks up the blitz or the RB makes someone miss. The Iowa line and RBs aren’t doing either

 

[SteveGarvey1]

In this day and age, it behooves teams to have a mobile quarterback. It's such an advantage to buy time in the pocket or outside it with quick enough feet. Stanley busts his tail out there, has a strong arm, and is a good leader, but he just is too statuesque and immobile to be a top qb. Only with a rock solid offensive line can QBs like him succeed, which we evidently don't have.

The 6' 4" 225 lb. statuesque QB is so 1970's and 80's with few examples of success these days. Peyton Manning was but he had an unbelievable brain that could quickly go through his reads. Look at who the great QBs are now in the NFL-Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes, Deshaun Watson. Those guys are mobile. Even Brady is mobile enough to escape pressure.

Oh how I wish Kirk would consider this aspect more. The best 2 QBs he's had in the Kirk era were Brad Banks and Drew Tate, who were mobile guys. And on deck is another immobile statue of a QB, Petras. Sigh.

 

[hawkinn3]

We don’t have jack squat coming up behind these guys either. We are in the midst of the 5th Ferentz rebuild.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

You run into the blitz because that player is vacating space in the defense opening up a lane. What you hope happens is protection picks up the blitz or the RB makes someone miss. The Iowa line and RBs aren’t doing either

Yea, I realize you often times run at the blitz, but Iowa's O-line is suspect at this moment.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

In this day and age, it behooves teams to have a mobile quarterback. It's such an advantage to buy time in the pocket or outside it with quick enough feet. Stanley busts his tail out there, has a strong arm, and is a good leader, but he just is too statuesque and immobile to be a top qb. Only with a rock solid offensive line can QBs like him succeed, which we evidently don't have.

The 6' 4" 225 lb. statuesque QB is so 1970's and 80's with few examples of success these days. Peyton Manning was but he had an unbelievable brain that could quickly go through his reads. Look at who the great QBs are now in the NFL-Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes, Deshaun Watson. Those guys are mobile. Even Brady is mobile enough to escape pressure.

Oh how I wish Kirk would consider this aspect more. The best 2 QBs he's had in the Kirk era were Brad Banks and Drew Tate, who were mobile guys. And on deck is another immobile statue of a QB, Petras. Sigh.

Iowa has Mansell which could fill that void, but I think Ferentz passed Petras past Mansell because Petras fit that NFL"pocket passer" that he has tunnel vision on. Mansell will probably tranfer at the end of the season.

 

[NikeHawk21]

We don’t have jack squat coming up behind these guys either. We are in the midst of the 5th Ferentz rebuild.

Iowa has recruited much better on the offensive line over the last few cycles so I think the talent level will improve.

We don’t really graduate any skill guys and most people think Stanley sucks so replacing him shouldn’t be that tall of a task.

 

[eveningnewsteam]

Yea, I realize you often times run at the blitz, but Iowa's O-line is suspect at this moment.

It is, but that’s not on Stanley. He’s doing what he’s coached to do. He can’t just go up there and think our oline stinks(which it does) and go completely off script on his own. This offensive debacle is on Iowa’s coaches and terrible Oline.

 

[uihawk82]

You run into the blitz because that player is vacating space in the defense opening up a lane. What you hope happens is protection picks up the blitz or the RB makes someone miss. The Iowa line and RBs aren’t doing either

The hawks only busted one big play against PSU's stacked box. PSU's lbkrs were ready to cover every run gap and could still get into coverage because the pass rush is so quick there were no deep drops needed.

We needed several more of the Goodson breaking thru to the 3rd level but we only got one of those runs.

 

[uihawk82]

Iowa coaches do a good job of getting many of their O-linemen in the NFL, but as a unit they seemed to be over-hyped year after year. I

You remember the difference between 2015 and 2016. The Oline pass protection and blitz pickup was terrible and CJB was crunched. NDSU won because the blitzed and they got to CJ.

CJ wasnt as mobile with the injury and he lost his best receiver in Vandy so teams just kept on him.

Plus the run game dropped off that year. In 2015 the hawks had lots of big long runs in big games. They got some in 2016 but against the weaker teams.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

You remember the difference between 2015 and 2016. The Oline pass protection and blitz pickup was terrible and CJB was crunched. NDSU won because the blitzed and they got to CJ.

CJ wasnt as mobile with the injury and he lost his best receiver in Vandy so teams just kept on him.

Plus the run game dropped off that year. In 2015 the hawks had lots of big long runs in big games. They got some in 2016 but against the weaker teams.

Yea, CJ took a lot of hits as well.

 

[revkev73]

Iowa coaches do a good job of getting many of their O-linemen in the NFL, but as a unit they seemed to be over-hyped year after year. I'm not going to name individual players in college but their are a couple on that line that maybe shouldn't be starting. Does KF have an allegiance for certain upperclassman players that he likes?

Stanley is having no time back there and is pretty much a statue. I don't want to harp on Stanley but the fact is if I talk about the QB position, everybody will know who I'm speaking of anyway. Why doesn't Iowa get more out of their senior QB's? I get that Stanley puts up great numbers an knocking on the top 2-3 in a few categories at Iowa, but let's face it, he hasn't done the greatest against tough competition or in the BIG conference in general. I think he hovers around .500 in conference play.

Does anybody remember this play in the 3rd Q? Stanley saw the LB to the L of him looking like he was going to blitz from just outside the DE on that side. Stanley audibles the play to a slant run to the side of the blitzing player that he saw. Now if you have a great O-line (see Wisconsin) you may be able to block that for a gain, but Iowa's line hasn't been producing in the run game or protecting well. Why the hell are you running into that blitz? It's those kinds of decisions that I have to wonder. A senior QB!!

Offense scheming and play calling. Why hasn't Stanley had a couple designed runs to help loosen these defenses up a bit. What do they have to lose. The just keep having him go back to a collapsing pocket. The coaches have GOT TO come up with some quick hit short passes to offeset some of these blitzes. Make it one damn read for a guy in space.

Offensive line...less than advertised.

OC is consistently disappointing.

Experienced QB regression.

This isn't our first rodeo!

BTW...the best QBs and OCs relish a consistent pass rush because it offers numerous opportunities for big plays. There are less defenders covering passing targets, more chances for the receiving options to get open, in space.

 

[ChosenChildren]

I think it simply comes down to having a very mobile QB. Mobility keeps the defense honest and cuts down on the wild blitzing. We had one with Beathard. We don't with Stanley.

It's that simple. We won't beat the good defenses with Stanley at QB, at least not with any regularity.

That is proving out this season. He'll look great against Purdue, but it will be fool's gold

 

[revkev73]

It is, but that’s not on Stanley. He’s doing what he’s coached to do. He can’t just go up there and think our oline stinks(which it does) and go completely off script on his own. This offensive debacle is on Iowa’s coaches and terrible Oline.

Good point...if you go off script for KF, you will soon be sending in the signals to the replacement QB...but wait, if you do go off script at times...the defense WILL NOT KNOW what predictable KF and B play is coming next. A Catch 22?

 

[ChosenChildren]

Boyle was extremely mobile as well as Mansell, but Ferentz rejected or is rejecting both of those QBs.

He just can't make himself play a mobile QB. He was very hesitant on Beathard as well, if you remember.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Offensive line...less than advertised.

OC is consistently disappointing.

Experienced QB regression.

This isn't our first rodeo!

BTW...the best QBs and OCs relish a consistent pass rush because it offers numerous opportunities for big plays. There are less defenders covering passing targets, more chances for the receiving options to get open, in space.

I freaking agree. This is my point about a senior QB and what is supposed to be an O-line with 1-2 possible 1st and/or 2nd round NFL draft players. People need to realize when a blitz happens, they are pretty much giving the offensive team a "fast-break" opportunity to bring in a basketball analogy. You are offering a fast-break chance to the offense to exploit.

This is why Iowa in the past was always so reluctant to blitz players. They didn't want to give the opposing offense a fast break chance.

As you point out, if you have a team and QB that can exploit it, it can be profitable. This right here is the entire point of my thread title. It's all about being able to handle the blitz with this supposedly great O-line and senior QB. You sir, got the whole point of it! Good job.

 

[EstronHawkKing]

We don’t have jack squat coming up behind these guys either. We are in the midst of the 5th Ferentz rebuild.

I was at the PSU game, it seemed like every time Stanley dropped back to pass, he had Lion defenders on him in just a matter of seconds.

 

[Xerxes]

Iowa has recruited much better on the offensive line over the last few cycles so I think the talent level will improve.

We don’t really graduate any skill guys and most people think Stanley sucks so replacing him shouldn’t be that tall of a task.

Haha! This one made me laugh because there's a lot of posters who are in for a very rude awakening next year at the QB position.

 

[NikeHawk21]

Haha! This one made me laugh because there's a lot of posters who are in for a very rude awakening next year at the QB position.

The good news is you don’t know anything more than anyone else who posts here.

Isn’t there some trend that Iowa QBs typically do best in their first season starting?

Petras was a fairly decent prospect has some arm talent. Padilla enrolled early this year so he will have one and a half years under his belt (Georgia offered him in high school). Then you have the true freshman Hogan coming in as well. I’m confident we can find a quality QB from this group.

 

[revkev73]

I was at the PSU game, it seemed like every time Stanley dropped back to pass, he had Lion defenders on him in just a matter of seconds.

I think 99% of people at the game and on TV saw that...it often works very well to call draw plays, QB or RB plus screen passes also work vs the on-coming rush...and teaches the defenders to be careful and cautious about how fast they charge the QB...since they often get burned with quick thinking and quick hitting plays.

Are the coaches aware of these counter moves vs the full on QB rush?