Iowa women

[hawkdrummer1]

...can't get a break. They open the tourney against 28-4 Gonzaga, on Gonzaga's home court.

I don't care if they do it for attendance reasons. No team should play on its home court in the tourney.

 

[IPS101]

Iowa women just got jobbed and that is putting it lightly.

Why would they do them like that?

Play hard and see what happens.

Go Hawks!

 

[HawkeyeShane]

Nice...at least there's a chance they'll play in front of a packed house, since the Zags only seat about 34 in their building...

 

[Herminator]

Nice...at least there's a chance they'll play in front of a packed house, since the Zags only seat about 34 in their building...

NCAA Women's Basketball.....Where the 11 seed get home court advantage happens.

 

[HawkeyeShane]

NCAA Women's Basketball.....Where the 11 seed get home court advantage happens.

You better copyright that slogan...FAST!

 

[bandgrocks]

...can't get a break. They open the tourney against 28-4 Gonzaga, on Gonzaga's home court.

I don't care if they do it for attendance reasons. No team should play on its home court in the tourney.

So your other option is to go back to the sub regional system where the highest seed hosted, so in this case UCLA. You win the first round, you're playing the home team in the second round on their home floor. The POD system does not work for the women's tourney unless you locate the 1st/2nd rounds in places that actually draw.

Go back to 2006 the women played in the Pepsi Center in Denver in front of 3700 people. The Pepsi Center seats 19000 people and a 1st/2nd round of the NCAA tourney nets 3700 people. You can't tell me they made any money off that. The NCAA is all about $$$$$$$$$, that is why they play on home courts, because fannies in the seats pay the bills.

 

[Clonehomer]

Personally, I would like them to go back to the old system where the top 4 seeds automatically get home games. That prevents this sort of situation.

 

[BradBanks02]

Not only do they play at Gonzaga, they also play two timezones away, in Gonzaga's & UCLA's timezone, and UCLA is the hardest 3 seed Espn was saying they should have been a 2.

 

[tm3308]

What I want to know is how a top 20 team can only be an 11 seed? Seriously, THAT is the most f*cked up thing that I've ever seen.

 

[BradBanks02]

What I want to know is how a top 20 team can only be an 11 seed? Seriously, THAT is the most f*cked up thing that I've ever seen.

The Utah State men are ranked #19 and the are a #12 seed.

 

[storminspank]

Travesty what happened to the ladies.

 

[bandgrocks]

What I want to know is how a top 20 team can only be an 11 seed? Seriously, THAT is the most f*cked up thing that I've ever seen.

Ranking in the polls have nothing to do with seeding, it never has. Gonzaga has an RPI of 42 and a SOS of 157. They have no top 50 wins, and a loss outside the top 100, and one of their wins was over a non-D1 team, so that win doesn't count in the RPI. The West Coast Conference has one other team in the top 100 RPI, and 6 of the 8 teams have an RPI of 191 or lower, including San Francisco who has an RPI of 325. Their best win is over # 94 St. Mary's. This is why they are an 11 seed.

 

[imported_ankle23]

Ranking in the polls have nothing to do with seeding, it never has. Gonzaga has an RPI of 42 and a SOS of 157. They have no top 50 wins, and a loss outside the top 100, and one of their wins was over a non-D1 team, so that win doesn't count in the RPI. The West Coast Conference has one other team in the top 100 RPI, and 6 of the 8 teams have an RPI of 191 or lower, including San Francisco who has an RPI of 325. Their best win is over # 94 St. Mary's. This is why they are an 11 seed.

while you are doing the explaining, explain why an 11 seed gets a home game v. a 6 seed.

 

[tm3308]

Ranking in the polls have nothing to do with seeding, it never has. Gonzaga has an RPI of 42 and a SOS of 157. They have no top 50 wins, and a loss outside the top 100, and one of their wins was over a non-D1 team, so that win doesn't count in the RPI. The West Coast Conference has one other team in the top 100 RPI, and 6 of the 8 teams have an RPI of 191 or lower, including San Francisco who has an RPI of 325. Their best win is over # 94 St. Mary's. This is why they are an 11 seed.

Yet their one home loss on the year was by 6 points to Stanford. I'd say this team can ball.

 

[bandgrocks]

Yet their one home loss on the year was by 6 points to Stanford. I'd say this team can ball.

They LOST to Stanford, that doesn't help their RPI. I am not saying they can't play ball, they have the best PG in the country. What I'm stating is the selection committee has criteria they look at - RPI, SOS, performance over last 10 games and WINS over top 50 RPI teams. Gonzaga has:

0 wins over top 50 RPI
SOS of 157
Last 10 games 10-0
RPI of 42
Their best win is over #59 BYU, followed by # 94 St. Mary's. They also have wins over #324 NCCU, and 2 over #325 San Francisco.

This is why they are an 11 seed.

 

[tm3308]

They LOST to Stanford, that doesn't help their RPI. I am not saying they can't play ball, they have the best PG in the country. What I'm stating is the selection committee has criteria they look at - RPI, SOS, performance over last 10 games and WINS over top 50 RPI teams. Gonzaga has:

0 wins over top 50 RPI
SOS of 157
Last 10 games 10-0
RPI of 42
Their best win is over #59 BYU, followed by # 94 St. Mary's. They also have wins over #324 NCCU, and 2 over #325 San Francisco.

This is why they are an 11 seed.

Regardless, it's still crap. All anyone has to look at them to know they deserve much higher than an 11 seed. Which is why they were ranked in the top 20.

 

[bandgrocks]

while you are doing the explaining, explain why an 11 seed gets a home game v. a 6 seed.

Very simple:
In the women's tourney the rules states if your school is hosting a sub regional and your school makes it, you get to play on your home floor.

"Should a host institution qualify for NCAA participation, that host institution will be permitted to play their first - and second-round games on their home floor."

Gonzaga is the host school, therefore they get to play at home.

People have to realize the women's tourney is not the men's tourney and doesn't draw like the men's tourney. The POD system used by the men was a flop for the women. The year Iowa played in Denver, nobody went to the games. The NCAA wasn't making any money because the venues were losing money.

Your other option is to go back to the old way where the top seed in the sub-regional hosts. So in this case, we would go to LA and play at UCLA if we won the first round.

Iowa has hosted 9 times, including the Regionals in 1993 when we went to the Final Four. We played the regional semi-final and regional final in CHA. We hosted as the #8 seed in 2009, how do you think Georgia Tech felt having to play us on our home floor?

People can gripe and complain all they want about it, but until the attendance on the women's side increases enough to merit going back to an eight team POD, you are going to continue to have the sub-regionals being played on one team's home floor so the NCAA can put fannies in the seats.

How would you feel if you were UCLA as the 3 seed possibly playing the 11 seed on their home floor, or Texas A&M being the 2 seed and playing the #10 seed on their home floor?

Hawkeye Sports - University of Iowa Official Athletic Site

 

[tm3308]

Very simple:
In the women's tourney the rules states if your school is hosting a sub regional and your school makes it, you get to play on your home floor.

"Should a host institution qualify for NCAA participation, that host institution will be permitted to play their first - and second-round games on their home floor."

Gonzaga is the host school, therefore they get to play at home.

People have to realize the women's tourney is not the men's tourney and doesn't draw like the men's tourney. The POD system used by the men was a flop for the women. The year Iowa played in Denver, nobody went to the games. The NCAA wasn't making any money because the venues were losing money.

Your other option is to go back to the old way where the top seed in the sub-regional hosts. So in this case, we would go to LA and play at UCLA if we won the first round.

Iowa has hosted 9 times, including the Regionals in 1993 when we went to the Final Four. We played the regional semi-final and regional final in CHA. We hosted as the #8 seed in 2009, how do you think Georgia Tech felt having to play us on our home floor?

People can gripe and complain all they want about it, but until the attendance on the women's side increases enough to merit going back to an eight team POD, you are going to continue to have the sub-regionals being played on one team's home floor so the NCAA can put fannies in the seats.

How would you feel if you were UCLA as the 3 seed possibly playing the 11 seed on their home floor, or Texas A&M being the 2 seed and playing the #10 seed on their home floor?

Hawkeye Sports - University of Iowa Official Athletic Site

Letting the better seeded team play on their home floor isn't fair either. But playing on the low seed home floor kind of wipes out the advantage of being the better seed, especially in this case when Gonzaga is already ranked.

 

[bandgrocks]

Regardless, it's still crap. All anyone has to look at them to know they deserve much higher than an 11 seed. Which is why they were ranked in the top 20.

Go look at their schedule, look at who they played, and who they beat. They beat NO ONE. The rankings are voted on by the AP and ONE coach from each of the 31 conferences, who probably have never seen them play, so you think that is a fair assessment? Ranking will always mean squat to the selection committee, as it should.

You may not like it, but there has to be a standard set of criteria to select teams for the tourney. Until the WIN games against teams like Stanford, USC, they aren't going to be any higher, and you can't play games against non-DI schools.

CollegeRPI.com - Women

2011 women's Top 25 database: Every coach, every ballot ? USATODAY.com

 

[bandgrocks]

Letting the better seeded team play on their home floor isn't fair either. But playing on the low seed home floor kind of wipes out the advantage of being the better seed, especially in this case when Gonzaga is already ranked.

Let go of ranking, it has NOTHING to do with as far as seeding, hosting, etc. Gonzaga bid on hosting a sub regional and was awarded the honor of hosting, plain and simple, fair and square. As I stated earlier:

"People can gripe and complain all they want about it, but until the attendance on the women's side increases enough to merit going back to an eight team POD, you are going to continue to have the sub-regionals being played on one team's home floor so the NCAA can put fannies in the seats."