Iowa withheld some athletes from competition

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Due to “violations.” We don’t know who exactly but there’s some scuttlebutt it cuts across many programs including football and involves gambling with FBI involvement.

Stay tuned
 
hawkinn3 said:
Due to “violations.” We don’t know who exactly but there’s some scuttlebutt it cuts across many programs including football and involves gambling with FBI involvement.

Stay tuned
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Yikes...thanks for the update
 
Yikes... I'd seen a rumbling or two on twitter with no specifics at all. Just mentioned football players possibly. I think that was Sat I saw that. Wonder if there's any smoke to it. I pray to God no football players are I mean come on... These kids don't need to get involved with gambling at all. Just stay totally away from casinos any of it at all not just the sports side. Why risk your career? It's not worth it.
 
Oooof! We don't need this. They weren't too specific on BTN during the baseball game. But made mention of Anthony's absence. I'm not anti-NIL, but you start giving 18 year old athletes money, it tends to bleed into other potential avenues. It's Pandora's box. And with sports betting blowing up, it's big money.
 
I teach at the U of Iowa, and I frequently hear students discussing gambling prior to the start of class. Young, impulsive individuals and easily accessible, legal gambling seems like a terrible mix.

From what I could find on a brief search, it seems that NCAA athletes are prohibited from betting on any collegiate sport, or any professional sport for which the NCAA has a championship. But surveys indicate that a large percentage of athletes due engage in gambling, even with these prohibitions.

Any guess as to which sport's athletes participate in gambling at a rate that is about 3x higher than all other sports (hint: it is not baseball)?
 
Based on casual observations of athlete behavior, including Tiger Woods' recent feminine product faux pas, I'm guessing golfers. I'd imagine they also lead in betting on their own performances, just not commercially. "Bet you $1000 I put this on the green."
 
HawkPowerlifter said:
Oooof! We don't need this. They weren't too specific on BTN during the baseball game. But made mention of Anthony's absence. I'm not anti-NIL, but you start giving 18 year old athletes money, it tends to bleed into other potential avenues. It's Pandora's box. And with sports betting blowing up, it's big money.
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IMO, we just keep degrading as a society and cave into greed. LIke you said handing out loads of cash to young individuals coupled with making gambling pretty much legal everywhere it's a lethal mix. Sometimes, I wish we'd never gone down this road and have people stick to how they were brought up many many years ago. Evolution is not always good with some aspects.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
IMO, we just keep degrading as a society and cave into greed. LIke you said handing out loads of cash to young individuals coupled with making gambling pretty much legal everywhere it's a lethal mix. Sometimes, I wish we'd never gone down this road and have people stick to how they were brought up many many years ago. Evolution is not always good with some aspects.
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They've just made it so it's so easy to gamble now. Download an app. Be old enough and that's all it takes. A kid on his daddies cell phone plan and credit card can pretty much just go to town I would think. What's stopping that?
 
From Wikipedia
Never hurts to go back in history.

College and investigation into point-shaving​

During Hawkins' freshman year at Iowa, he was a victim of the hysteria surrounding a point-shaving scandal that had started in New York City. Hawkins' name surfaced in an interview conducted with an individual who was involved in the scandal. While some of the conspirators and characters involved were known to or knew Hawkins, none – including the New York attorney at the center of the scandal, Jack Molinas – had ever sought to involve Hawkins in the conspiracy. Hawkins had borrowed $200 ($1,800 in current dollar terms) from Molinas for school expenses, which his brother Fred repaid before the scandal broke in 1961.[2] The scandal became known as the 1961 college basketball gambling scandal.

Despite the fact that Hawkins could not have been involved in point-shaving (as a freshman, due to NCAA rules of the time, he was ineligible to participate in varsity-level athletics), he was kept from seeking legal counsel while being questioned by New York City detectives who were investigating the scandal.[3]


Expulsion from Iowa​

As a result of the investigation, despite never being arrested or indicted, Hawkins was expelled from Iowa. He was effectively blackballed from the college ranks as no NCAA or NAIA school would offer him a scholarship. NBA commissioner J. Walter Kennedy let it be known that he would not approve any contract for Hawkins to play in the league. At the time, the NBA had a policy barring players who were even remotely involved with point-shaving scandals. As a result, when his class was eligible for the draft in 1964, no team selected him. He went undrafted in 1965 as well before being formally banned from the league in 1966.[2][4]
 
eyekwah said:
From Wikipedia
Never hurts to go back in history.

College and investigation into point-shaving​

During Hawkins' freshman year at Iowa, he was a victim of the hysteria surrounding a point-shaving scandal that had started in New York City. Hawkins' name surfaced in an interview conducted with an individual who was involved in the scandal. While some of the conspirators and characters involved were known to or knew Hawkins, none – including the New York attorney at the center of the scandal, Jack Molinas – had ever sought to involve Hawkins in the conspiracy. Hawkins had borrowed $200 ($1,800 in current dollar terms) from Molinas for school expenses, which his brother Fred repaid before the scandal broke in 1961.[2] The scandal became known as the 1961 college basketball gambling scandal.

Despite the fact that Hawkins could not have been involved in point-shaving (as a freshman, due to NCAA rules of the time, he was ineligible to participate in varsity-level athletics), he was kept from seeking legal counsel while being questioned by New York City detectives who were investigating the scandal.[3]


Expulsion from Iowa​

As a result of the investigation, despite never being arrested or indicted, Hawkins was expelled from Iowa. He was effectively blackballed from the college ranks as no NCAA or NAIA school would offer him a scholarship. NBA commissioner J. Walter Kennedy let it be known that he would not approve any contract for Hawkins to play in the league. At the time, the NBA had a policy barring players who were even remotely involved with point-shaving scandals. As a result, when his class was eligible for the draft in 1964, no team selected him. He went undrafted in 1965 as well before being formally banned from the league in 1966.[2][4]
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Now that's a deterrent. Post that story in every locker room. Make it that cut and dry for all gambling not just point shaving and I doubt you'd see kids do it. Now with NIL kids are risking that much more. Bring back the good ole days
 
I personally think gambling is dumb, but I also believe people should be free to do what they want. The NCAA strict rule against gambling seems like it may go the way of not paying players. The NCAA has believed that it can control all aspects of its student athlete's lives. Those notions are antiquated.

Obviously, a player should never be able to bet on his own sport for obvious reasons. But, with online sports betting so ubiquitous in states now, why should an adult not be able to place a bet on a horse race or boxing match? Just because he also plays college baseball????
 
HawkPowerlifter said:
Oooof! We don't need this. They weren't too specific on BTN during the baseball game. But made mention of Anthony's absence. I'm not anti-NIL, but you start giving 18 year old athletes money, it tends to bleed into other potential avenues. It's Pandora's box. And with sports betting blowing up, it's big money.
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Allowing gambling on college sports at all is a terrible idea with or without NIL money. The ability to buy off the long snapper or sixth man can absolutely sway the outcome of a game or if the spread is hit and it is hard to police. With the ability of shady guys to communicate with these guys via social media it makes a potentially infinite hole that you can never plug for enforcement. I can see them allowing gambling around the tournament because I don't think many guys would take the bait on such a big stage, but some game like Furman v. Wofford or Drake v. UNI should categorically not have a line established.

As a society we have absolutely no collective memory. No one is willing to admit that gambling on college sports created a lot of problems in the past. I am glad that the state I live in does not allow sports gambling and I hope there is some pushback against this crap. It is dangerous for the sanctity of the game and with the constant line of communication between the bookie (i.e., the app) and the user there is far too much propensity of creating huge problems in our society, particularly among young men. This ain't the gambling of yesteryear. This shit now uses algorithms developed in conjunction with psychologists specifically targeted to create dopamine releases targeted to create addiction and the entire interaction is designed to keep the user coming back. So if a guy gets hammered on a line and it is clear by halftime that he ain't gonna cover it the bookie will send all sorts of promos to get the user to keep making bets on the game. It's an absolutely abhorrent practice.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
I personally think gambling is dumb, but I also believe people should be free to do what they want. The NCAA strict rule against gambling seems like it may go the way of not paying players. The NCAA has believed that it can control all aspects of its student athlete's lives. Those notions are antiquated.

Obviously, a player should never be able to bet on his own sport for obvious reasons. But, with online sports betting so ubiquitous in states now, why should an adult not be able to place a bet on a horse race or boxing match? Just because he also plays college baseball????
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Based on a post above it seems like the horse racing or boxing gambling would be permissible.

I have been opposed to sports gambling ever since January 1, 1986. I don't know what caused those fumbles, but I will never know if they were legit either. A coach should never be placed in a spot where he has to ask if every one of his men is playing for the same team out there.
 
ShemHawk said:
Based on casual observations of athlete behavior, including Tiger Woods' recent feminine product faux pas, I'm guessing golfers. I'd imagine they also lead in betting on their own performances, just not commercially. "Bet you $1000 I put this on the green."
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Correct
 
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