iowa vs oregon
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bb4hawks
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While I don't think they have played anyone with as good of a defense as iowa has, I think their offense is really good. I don't think anyone shuts them down. Anyone that beats them is going to have to outscore them and I think that's they game they want to play...turn it into a track meet.
tm3308
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Since when did playing football like a video game win championships? This isn't Madden. Yes, there have been teams with lights out offenses that have won it all in the last decade. BUT they ALSO had lights out defense, and Oregon does not, not even close. USC made its hay on the defensive side of the ball, despite all the offensive firepower. Same with Florida, 'Bama, LSU, and when Oklahoma actually won their BCS games, THEY played great defense too.
Boise State, regardless of what you think of their schedule, DOES play great defense. They've shut Oregon down the past two years, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again.
Now, if it's an Oregon-Auburn matchup, then all bets are off, as neither plays defense. But if Oregon gets matched up with a team that plays defense, you'll see a game similar to last year's Rose Bowl.
tm3308
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Same story, different year.
SwirlinLingerie
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This is the second year in a row I've hoped for an Iowa/Oregon Rose Bowl. I think it'd be a fascinating match-up, and I'd love to see what Norm Parker could come up with considering all the prep time. I think it'd be one of the highlights of the bowl season.
If Oregon makes it past Arizona, I think they lose to Oregon State in Corvallis the following week. That's the last game of the season, and about the craziest rivalry in college football. Expect the unexpected in that one.
If Oregon makes it past Arizona, I think they lose to Oregon State in Corvallis the following week. That's the last game of the season, and about the craziest rivalry in college football. Expect the unexpected in that one.
Fine, even if the Pac-10 doesn't play defense, how many points from their 54 points per game average would you take away?
On top of that, it's not like our own defense has been consistently watertight. We took out a couple of Wisconsin's offensive weapons, and they still put up 31. We allowed Michigan to come storming back with a couple big drives in that game. We gave up the game winning drive to Arizona.
weighthawk
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At Oregon 40, anywhere else 24 IMO
tm3308
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I said in my original post that if the defense played the way it's capable of (see: MSU game), then we'd hold them to under 30. If we don't play to our potential (see: Michigan/Arizona), Oregon would drop 40+ on us, IMO. But we are more than capable of making them look like your typical college offense, rather than the Madden unit they look like right now.
twinhawkfans
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you sir, are correct.
iowamike21
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Perhaps it would be intelligent to recall how a similar question was answered last year. How many points will unstoppable Oregon put on the poor boys from Ohio State in the Rose Bowl?
We KNOW that answer: Not nearly enough.
Oregon is a pinball machine in a pinball machine league. When it faced an actual defense in Pasadena, the Ducks went all quacky. Where did all the points go?
This year's Iowa team would beat Oregon like Ohio State did last year. But we won't see an Iowa-Oregon match-up this season. But what we may see instead is an Iowa-Boise State match in the Rose Bowl where the Hawkeyes would bust the Broncos for a national audience to enjoy.
We KNOW that answer: Not nearly enough.
Oregon is a pinball machine in a pinball machine league. When it faced an actual defense in Pasadena, the Ducks went all quacky. Where did all the points go?
This year's Iowa team would beat Oregon like Ohio State did last year. But we won't see an Iowa-Oregon match-up this season. But what we may see instead is an Iowa-Boise State match in the Rose Bowl where the Hawkeyes would bust the Broncos for a national audience to enjoy.
SeattleHawkeye
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What people don't realize is OSU didn't beat Oregon w/ defense - they beat them playing ball control offense and not letting OR's offense get on the field. For this reason alone, I think a team like Wisky has the best chance to beat the Ducks. UW would get torched on D, but the way they have 6-8 minute offensive drives, they'd limit OR's possessions, shortening the game and keeping it close. But, when OR has the ball, it is and would be very eventful. The other thing is OR's OL is much improved, in particular from the start of last season. People asked what the biggest difference was from the start to the end of OR's season last year, and the comment from Duck fans I know was the development of their OL. Anybody thinking the BSU-UO game that happened over a season and a half ago would definitively happen again isn't thinking very deeply. I also think Chip Kelly has a pretty simple philosophy - get his best playmakers in space w/ the ball in their hands and let them make plays. And if you've seen OR play, you know they have some playmakers.
As for IA, we also have been playing very good ball control offense, and have a better defense than UW, but getting to see OR's offense almost every week, that's something I don't particularly want to see IA face...yet. I think we'd play a mostly 3-4 against them, and I think this D came out of it's shell and started playing to expectations last wk. I think if IA-OR is at the end of the season or the bowl game, IA has a better chance, but until the LB's get healthy, this could be trouble. Again, I think the key is ball control offense, not D. And I think UO torches AZ. AZ isn't sound enough in pass defense, though they match up well w/ UO's speed, I just don't think they have the discipline to play responsible pass D. And the Beavs just don't have the athletes on D to run w/ UO.
HawkPrdatr40
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Something your overlooking is that Chip Kelly is in his 2nd year at Oregon as the HC. His very first game as head coach at Oregon was on the road at Boise State. This isn't the Oregon that Boise State saw on Sept 3, 2009 and it's not even close..
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tm3308
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He was their offensive co-ordinator before that. Their offense hasn't really changed much at all, and Boise shut it down.
HawkPrdatr40
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HawkeyeMike23
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You honestly think Boise State shuts down Oregon.Okay..
They've shut them down the last two times they played them. Ohio St shut them down last year in the Rose Bowl. Oregon has not yet played a good defense and have only played two average defenses in Arizona St and Stanford. They're great at putting up lots of points against bad teams that don't tackle well, but I still think teams with good, physical defenses can slow them down.
tm3308
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Exactly. And whether people want to admit it or not, over the past 2-3 years, Boise has played damn good defense, even against the few quality opponents they've played. It's not like the ONLY reason they have good numbers is because they play no one. That certainly helps, but so does shutting down BCS teams, too. Plus, given the month+ time period they'd have to prepare (a common excuse for why they beat teams like Oregon in OOC), I'd like their chances.
When Oregon stumbles upon a good defense (or perhaps even one with a pulse), you're going to see the same show that Ohio State put on. Football isn't a track meet, no matter how much Oregon and the Big 12 wish to make it one.
HawkeyeTech
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I saw on ESPn last night that the highest ranked defense Oregaon has played against is ranked 67th in the country. So take all those points being scored with a grain of salt. The would prolly score around 30 if the Hawks had a bad day.
