Iowa vs ISU predictions
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Ward beat Keddy twice last year
Reader beat M* twice last year
ISU beat Iowa at CHA in 2004/5
Good job though.
CRwrestling
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Other than McD Reader is the most established wrestler in this meet, and he's gotten better each year. M* beat him two years ago, last year lost to him twice. Not very aggressive though so our chance here is that it will be close in the third.
Ward can be really good. Yeah, he lost to Tate... would you pick Lofthouse against Tate? I don't think Lofthouse would get through Tate's defense for any takedowns.
Hate to say it but I could definitely see Pumpdog's prediction happen.
AFHawk86
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CR - It's possible but not likely. Kerr/Janssen are 6-1 against Sorenson. Also, there's no way Drouin will MD Ballweg. This is a worst case scenario where everything goes against Iowa...this is the type of thing Iowa does to ISU, not the other way around. Gambrall will win by MD and we won't lose both 197 and Hwt. Of course my opinion doesn't mean anything as the dual will be decided on the mat; however, I'll put the Iowa/Brands psyche up against the ISU/Jackson psyche any day.
pin2win
@hagertony
afhawk if you don't mind put up a weight by weight prediction and reasons why
your opinion does matter thats why we have this great forum to discuss and ***** at each other because we claim to know more than the other or agree with each other
i don't think anyone would argue taking the brands psyche anyday but as fans we can predict iowa winning every match then it would be no fun
your opinion does matter thats why we have this great forum to discuss and ***** at each other because we claim to know more than the other or agree with each other
i don't think anyone would argue taking the brands psyche anyday but as fans we can predict iowa winning every match then it would be no fun
pin2win
@hagertony
pin2win
@hagertony
Early look at how we match up with Iowa - Page 3 - CycloneFanatic
love how they went to talking about the meet to hating on spooner
love how they went to talking about the meet to hating on spooner
CRwrestling
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You're right its not likely, but it wasn't a ridiculous prediction either.
Also, who have you seen Ballweg beat that would make us say it is an impossiblity that he gets majored by a really good opponent, it's definitely a possiblity.
hawkeyescott
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125: TF with back points for Iowa, 5-0 Iowa
133: Major for Iowa, 9-0 Iowa
141: Dec for ISU, 9-3 Iowa
149: Dec for ISU, 9-6 Iowa
157: Major for Iowa, 13-6 Iowa, yes I think St. John will major Weatherman.
165: Dec for Iowa, 16-6 Iowa
174: Dec for ISU, 16-9 Iowa
184: Major for Iowa 20-9 Iowa
197: Dec for Iowa, 23-9 Iowa
HWT: Dec for ISU, 23-12 Iowa wins.
133: Major for Iowa, 9-0 Iowa
141: Dec for ISU, 9-3 Iowa
149: Dec for ISU, 9-6 Iowa
157: Major for Iowa, 13-6 Iowa, yes I think St. John will major Weatherman.
165: Dec for Iowa, 16-6 Iowa
174: Dec for ISU, 16-9 Iowa
184: Major for Iowa 20-9 Iowa
197: Dec for Iowa, 23-9 Iowa
HWT: Dec for ISU, 23-12 Iowa wins.
AFHawk86
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Ok Pin, here ya go. I'm basing this on previous year's performance, what I've seen this year from both teams, and competition faced thus far this season. OBTW, I watched one of ISU's live streamed duals earlier this season (can't remember the competition) and several of the Cyclones gassed pretty hard. Also, their 133lber Jones is going to have a long, hard year.
125 - McD TF or Fall. Hunter is decent, but he doesn't stand a chance against the returning NC.
IOWA 5-0
133 - Moore/Ramos TF or fall. As stated previously, Jones is not yet ready for prime time.
IOWA 10-0
141 - Ballweg by Dec. This is my upset of the night. Drouin is a 3-time NQ who placed 6th 2 years ago. He is a good pick up for the Cyclones and is a solid wrestler, but I haven't been wowed by his performances. I don't have much to base Ballweg's ability on except his very strong performance thus far this year. I've been very surprised by his domination, especially his riding ability. Recall that last year he seriously injured both elbows, but now he is healthy.
IOWA 13-0
149 - Carr by MD. Carr is an NQ at best, but Chiri doesn't have much of a chance in this match unless he catches himself in a cradle and pins his opponent. He has a vulnerability to the cradle and won't be able to defend against Carr's quickness.
IOWA 13-4
157 - St. John MD. Weatherman is 8-5 and has been pinned, TFed, and MD'd thus far.
IOWA 17-4
165 - Kerr by Dec. Janssen and Kerr are a combined 6-1 vs Sorenson. Plus Janssen and Kerr look much stronger this year up a weight class. Kerr is 3-0 with 2 pins and a tough win against LeClere this season. Janssen is 6-1 with his only loss against #7 Dallas Bailey, Oklahoma.
IOWA 20-4
174 Reader by Dec. Lofthouse is good, but I don't see him beating the senior Reader. I think Reader could be the NC this year and should definitely be a high AA.
IOWA 20-7
184 - Gambrall by MD. Neither Shafer nor Riley will put up a good fight here. Riley is 5-4 with 8 of those matches being close (exception was 43 second pin by Chris Perry).
IOWA 24-7
197 - Lofthouse by Dec. Ward can be great at times, but he's inconsistent and wears out quickly. He is 8-2 and lost a close one to #1 Kilgore 9-7 and also lost to Tate of Wartburg 8-5. I think Lofthouse wears him down and gets the decision.
IOWA 27-7
Hwt - Rasing by Dec. Rasing is a big guy and keeps the match close, even against the best. Gibson is 4-2 with losses to David Marone, VT, and Carey Patrick, CSU-Pueblo. Rasing will grind out a win for the Hawks. IOWA 30-7
I realize it looks like I'm wearing the glasses, but I think this scenario is more likely than the Hawks losing 14-20 and it's definitely a plus to have home mat advantage. It could hurt the Hawks somewhat if the dual starts at a different weight, but assuming the dual starts at 125, we'll be on a roll by the time the 141 match takes place and Hawks fans will be in a frenzy when Ballweg pulls the big upset!
ICAlumni
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Ward beat Keddy twice last year... great. Keddy beat him every time before that. Are we talking about Phil Keddy? No. Keddy had a very disappointing year last year and Ward is one of the most inconsistent and overrated wrestlers i've ever seen. He looked like crap at Nationals last year... I watched every match he wrestled in person.
Reader beat M*. So what? Lots of people did. That doesn't change the fact that Reader (like Ward) looked like complete crap at Nationals last year. Just because you went to school with Metcalf doesn't mean you wrestle like him. Sponseller from OSU will whip his ***. He will beat us at this dual but so what... he's the best ISU has, however.
ISU beat us in '04/'05. That's incredibly relevant to this year. How many times have they won in CHA? Do you know what the all time record for ISU wrestling is against the Hawks? It's 16-58-2.
Nice try though.
pin2win
@hagertony
tom predictions
#5 Iowa vs. #24 Iowa State
(Line-ups may change)
Projected Line-up
Iowa loses Carew for maybe the year and we are unsure of the status of Clark at this time. Iowa is in good shape if Clark can not go so that one should not be much of a concern for the Iowa faithful.
One paper we have Iowa favored at 7 weights (all but 141, 149 and 174). We have Iowa State favored at the remaining 3 weights. Much like the previous dual it appears to be a tall order for the Cyclones. But not so fast there are numerous matches that could go either way and should result in another classic Iowa vs. Iowa State dual.
The Match-ups
125: Look for McD to start things off with a dominate performance. Interesting that ISU has listed Ryak Finch as a possible starter in this one. Although we think Finch could make this one more interesting, we would still expect a McD win. We also doubt that Coach Jackson will pull Finch from redshirt, but we could be wrong. If it’s Finch we might see a decision vs. a Major or more.
133: Iowa is another heavy favorite here. Be it Moore or Clark they will also be looking to add some bonus points in this one. The first of two matches where the Hawks could get bonus and the amount of bonus points will most likely decide this dual.
141: The Cyclones will enter this match as the favorite. But many of the Hawkeye fans have high hopes for Ballweg and would like to see him have his coming out party in this one and knock off former AA Drouin. We are not sure that will happen, but it may be closer then most Cyclone fans would like. We see Drouin winning a tight one.
149: Nate Carr Jr has been doing well for the Cyclones this year and gets Carew’s backup in this one. But as we have learned over the years that does not mean much when you consider the depth of the Iowa room. We do see Carr winning this one though.
157: In a match that all wrestling fans in the state of Iowa are excited to see, we will have Derek St. John take the mat against Iowa State’s Trent Weatherman. St. John has looked very good so far, but has not faced much competition yet. Weatherman on the other hand has had a bit of a rollercoaster ride thus far. With all of that aside we fully expect this to be an exciting one. We have St. John in a Decision.
165: We get two ranked wrestlers at this weight when we see Kerr and Sorenson take the mat. We have Kerr ranked pretty high and are interested to see if we are justified. Sorenson has started the season off pretty well and should provide a good challenge. This is a key match for the Cyclones if the want to pull the upset off.
174: Here we have another match that we are looking forward to. Reader of Iowa State will face off against Ethan Lofthouse in a match between two top 20 guys. A lot of people are very high on Lofthouse but he is facing one of the better 174 guys in the country. Reader wins this one.
184: Grambrall should be a heavy favorite here. He is coming off a dominate win over a ranked wrestler last week. Look for him to try and add some bonus in this one. Another interesting note is that ISU also listed another freshman as the possible starter here in Kyven Gadson. Would they pull two of their freshman out of redshirt for this? We doubt it.
197: Maybe the match up of the night between Luke Lofthouse of Iowa and Jerome Ward of Iowa State. They are ranked 15 and 16 respectively. This should be a very close one and fairly low scoring. We see ward pulling this one out and keeping things a bit interesting.
Hwt: Two ranked big men will go head-to-head in this one. Raising is a big fella and has been good so far. He most likely will face off against Gibson who has been good also and against some better competition. He has split sometime but we are thinking he gets the nod in this one. But if Simonson goes he is just as capable. Another Key match for the Cyclones to have a chance at an upset.
TOM’s Prediction
Iowa – 20
Iowa State- 15
#5 Iowa vs. #24 Iowa State
(Line-ups may change)
Projected Line-up
- 125: #1 Matt McDonough vs. Ryak Finch or Patrick Hunter
- 133: #10 Nick Moore vs. Brandon Jones
- 141: Mark Ballweg vs. #8 Chris Drouin
- 149: Jeret Chiri vs. #16 Nate Carr Jr
- 157: #9 Derek St. John vs. Trent Weatherman
- 165: #7 Jake Kerr vs. #15 Andrew Sorenson
- 174: #16 Ethen Lofthouse vs. #4 Jon Reader
- 184: #9 Grant Gambrall vs. Kyven Gadson or Cole Shafer
- 197: #14 Luke Lofthouse vs. #15 Jerome Ward
- Hwt: #11 Blake Rasing vs. #20 Matt Gibson or Matt Simonson
Iowa loses Carew for maybe the year and we are unsure of the status of Clark at this time. Iowa is in good shape if Clark can not go so that one should not be much of a concern for the Iowa faithful.
One paper we have Iowa favored at 7 weights (all but 141, 149 and 174). We have Iowa State favored at the remaining 3 weights. Much like the previous dual it appears to be a tall order for the Cyclones. But not so fast there are numerous matches that could go either way and should result in another classic Iowa vs. Iowa State dual.
The Match-ups
125: Look for McD to start things off with a dominate performance. Interesting that ISU has listed Ryak Finch as a possible starter in this one. Although we think Finch could make this one more interesting, we would still expect a McD win. We also doubt that Coach Jackson will pull Finch from redshirt, but we could be wrong. If it’s Finch we might see a decision vs. a Major or more.
133: Iowa is another heavy favorite here. Be it Moore or Clark they will also be looking to add some bonus points in this one. The first of two matches where the Hawks could get bonus and the amount of bonus points will most likely decide this dual.
141: The Cyclones will enter this match as the favorite. But many of the Hawkeye fans have high hopes for Ballweg and would like to see him have his coming out party in this one and knock off former AA Drouin. We are not sure that will happen, but it may be closer then most Cyclone fans would like. We see Drouin winning a tight one.
149: Nate Carr Jr has been doing well for the Cyclones this year and gets Carew’s backup in this one. But as we have learned over the years that does not mean much when you consider the depth of the Iowa room. We do see Carr winning this one though.
157: In a match that all wrestling fans in the state of Iowa are excited to see, we will have Derek St. John take the mat against Iowa State’s Trent Weatherman. St. John has looked very good so far, but has not faced much competition yet. Weatherman on the other hand has had a bit of a rollercoaster ride thus far. With all of that aside we fully expect this to be an exciting one. We have St. John in a Decision.
165: We get two ranked wrestlers at this weight when we see Kerr and Sorenson take the mat. We have Kerr ranked pretty high and are interested to see if we are justified. Sorenson has started the season off pretty well and should provide a good challenge. This is a key match for the Cyclones if the want to pull the upset off.
174: Here we have another match that we are looking forward to. Reader of Iowa State will face off against Ethan Lofthouse in a match between two top 20 guys. A lot of people are very high on Lofthouse but he is facing one of the better 174 guys in the country. Reader wins this one.
184: Grambrall should be a heavy favorite here. He is coming off a dominate win over a ranked wrestler last week. Look for him to try and add some bonus in this one. Another interesting note is that ISU also listed another freshman as the possible starter here in Kyven Gadson. Would they pull two of their freshman out of redshirt for this? We doubt it.
197: Maybe the match up of the night between Luke Lofthouse of Iowa and Jerome Ward of Iowa State. They are ranked 15 and 16 respectively. This should be a very close one and fairly low scoring. We see ward pulling this one out and keeping things a bit interesting.
Hwt: Two ranked big men will go head-to-head in this one. Raising is a big fella and has been good so far. He most likely will face off against Gibson who has been good also and against some better competition. He has split sometime but we are thinking he gets the nod in this one. But if Simonson goes he is just as capable. Another Key match for the Cyclones to have a chance at an upset.
TOM’s Prediction
Iowa – 20
Iowa State- 15
pin2win
@hagertony
MARQUEE MATCH-UPS
141 - Matt Ballweg (Iowa) vs. Chris Drouin (Iowa State)
This match will be Ballweg's first big test in a Hawkeye singlet. Drouin brings a 71-38 career record from Arizona State for his senior campaign with the Cyclones. His six season wins this year include five decisions and one major decision, while he lost decisions to Ohio's Germane Lindsey (3-2) and Virginia Tech's Chris Diaz (6-4). Ballweg is 4-0, pinning his first three opponents and scoring a first-period match-ending technical fall.
157 - Derek St. John (Iowa) vs. Trent Weatherman (Iowa State)
St. John and Weatherman are both Iowa natives and redshirt freshmen, so this match-up could have the makings of a long-standing rivalry. The pair had two previous meetings last season when they were competing unattached. After an injury, Weatherman medically forfeited his match with St. John at the 2009 Midlands, but St. John scored an 8-1 decision at the 2010 Grand View Open. St. John is off to a strong 4-0 start, with a pin and two major decisions under his belt. After a 5-5 start, Weatherman has won his last four bouts.
174 - Ethen Lofthouse (Iowa) vs. Jonathan Reader (Iowa State)
Lofthouse will put his 4-0 record on the line against Reader, who is a two-time All-American with a 12-0 mark. Both wrestlers have put points on the scoreboard for their respective teams. Lofthouse has pinned two opponents, scored one match-ending technical fall and one major decision. Reader has three pins, five technical falls, three major deisions and one forfeit under his belt. The Cyclone senior is ranked third by Intermat, seventh by WIN and ninth by AWN, while Lofthouse is ranked 16th by WIN, 18th by AWN and 20th by Intermat. 197 - Luke Lofthouse (Iowa) vs. Jerome Ward or Phil Hawes (Iowa State)
This will be the first career meeting between Lofthouse and Ward. Lofthouse, a senior with a 4-0 record, has one pin, one technical fall and two major decisions this season. He is ranked 13th by Intermat and 17th by WIN. Ward is ranked ninth by WIN, 12th by Intermat and 13th by AWN, with a 9-2 record. It would also be the first meeting between Lofthouse and Hawes.
157 - Derek St. John (Iowa) is 2-0 vs. Trent Weatherman (Iowa State)
St. John won by medical forfeit over Weatherman, at 2009 Midlands
St. John dec. Weatherman, 8-1, at 2010 Grand View Open
165 - Aaron Janssen (Iowa) is 4-1 vs. Andrew Sorenson (Iowa State)
Janssen dec. Sorenson, 10-5, at 2008 Kaufman-Brand Open
Janssen dec. Sorenson, 9-3, at 2008 Kaufman-Brand Open
Sorenson dec. Janssen, 5-4, at 2008 Northern Iowa Open
Janssen dec. Sorenson, 8-6, at 2009-10 Iowa vs. Iowa State Dual
Janssen dec. Sorenson, 3-1 SV, at 2010 Cliff Keen/NWCA National Duals
165 - Jake Kerr (Iowa) is 2-0 vs. Andrew Sorenson (Iowa State)
Kerr dec. Sorenson, 5-4 TB-1, at 2008 Harold Nichols Open
Kerr dec. Sorenson, 3-2, at 2008 Midlands
184 - Grant Gambrall (Iowa) is 2-0 vs. Cole Shafer (Iowa State)
Gambrall maj. dec. Shafer, 14-6, at 2009 Harold Nichols Open
Gambrall maj. dec. Shafer, 18-7, at 2010 Grand View Open Hwt. - Blake Rasing (Iowa) is 1-0 vs. Kyle Simonson (Iowa State)
Rasin dec. Simonson, 3-2, at 2007 Jim Fox Open
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/113010aab.html
141 - Matt Ballweg (Iowa) vs. Chris Drouin (Iowa State)
This match will be Ballweg's first big test in a Hawkeye singlet. Drouin brings a 71-38 career record from Arizona State for his senior campaign with the Cyclones. His six season wins this year include five decisions and one major decision, while he lost decisions to Ohio's Germane Lindsey (3-2) and Virginia Tech's Chris Diaz (6-4). Ballweg is 4-0, pinning his first three opponents and scoring a first-period match-ending technical fall.
157 - Derek St. John (Iowa) vs. Trent Weatherman (Iowa State)
St. John and Weatherman are both Iowa natives and redshirt freshmen, so this match-up could have the makings of a long-standing rivalry. The pair had two previous meetings last season when they were competing unattached. After an injury, Weatherman medically forfeited his match with St. John at the 2009 Midlands, but St. John scored an 8-1 decision at the 2010 Grand View Open. St. John is off to a strong 4-0 start, with a pin and two major decisions under his belt. After a 5-5 start, Weatherman has won his last four bouts.
174 - Ethen Lofthouse (Iowa) vs. Jonathan Reader (Iowa State)
Lofthouse will put his 4-0 record on the line against Reader, who is a two-time All-American with a 12-0 mark. Both wrestlers have put points on the scoreboard for their respective teams. Lofthouse has pinned two opponents, scored one match-ending technical fall and one major decision. Reader has three pins, five technical falls, three major deisions and one forfeit under his belt. The Cyclone senior is ranked third by Intermat, seventh by WIN and ninth by AWN, while Lofthouse is ranked 16th by WIN, 18th by AWN and 20th by Intermat. 197 - Luke Lofthouse (Iowa) vs. Jerome Ward or Phil Hawes (Iowa State)
This will be the first career meeting between Lofthouse and Ward. Lofthouse, a senior with a 4-0 record, has one pin, one technical fall and two major decisions this season. He is ranked 13th by Intermat and 17th by WIN. Ward is ranked ninth by WIN, 12th by Intermat and 13th by AWN, with a 9-2 record. It would also be the first meeting between Lofthouse and Hawes.
157 - Derek St. John (Iowa) is 2-0 vs. Trent Weatherman (Iowa State)
St. John won by medical forfeit over Weatherman, at 2009 Midlands
St. John dec. Weatherman, 8-1, at 2010 Grand View Open
165 - Aaron Janssen (Iowa) is 4-1 vs. Andrew Sorenson (Iowa State)
Janssen dec. Sorenson, 10-5, at 2008 Kaufman-Brand Open
Janssen dec. Sorenson, 9-3, at 2008 Kaufman-Brand Open
Sorenson dec. Janssen, 5-4, at 2008 Northern Iowa Open
Janssen dec. Sorenson, 8-6, at 2009-10 Iowa vs. Iowa State Dual
Janssen dec. Sorenson, 3-1 SV, at 2010 Cliff Keen/NWCA National Duals
165 - Jake Kerr (Iowa) is 2-0 vs. Andrew Sorenson (Iowa State)
Kerr dec. Sorenson, 5-4 TB-1, at 2008 Harold Nichols Open
Kerr dec. Sorenson, 3-2, at 2008 Midlands
184 - Grant Gambrall (Iowa) is 2-0 vs. Cole Shafer (Iowa State)
Gambrall maj. dec. Shafer, 14-6, at 2009 Harold Nichols Open
Gambrall maj. dec. Shafer, 18-7, at 2010 Grand View Open Hwt. - Blake Rasing (Iowa) is 1-0 vs. Kyle Simonson (Iowa State)
Rasin dec. Simonson, 3-2, at 2007 Jim Fox Open
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/113010aab.html
Nice try with what? Are we talking about Keddy or M*? No, we're talking about two individuals who have no where near the credentials those two had. You talk about last years national tournament, that's incredibly relevant to this year considering how people usually get better with age. If you and everyone else is right about the meet, good for you and I'll be glad to be wrong. At least I'm able to give a reasonable explanation of my picks and not just give "ISU never beats us".
CRwrestling
Well-Known Member
125 McD- Turns it on in big moments and gets a pin in front of CHA. 6-0
133 Ramos- close to a major. 9-0
141 Ballweg has shown a lot of fight, but I haven't seen him wrestle a quality opponent. I wouldn't be surprised if he won, and it would be an awesome sign if he did. But I just can't go against my gut here, Drouin has a lot of experience and is really good wrestler. 9-3
149 Carr- picks up a major. 9-7
157 St. John- wins with a nice margin, never in doubt. 12-7
165 Kerr- 15-7
174 Reader wins 4-3. 15-10
184 Gambrall winner by decision. I liked watching Riley in HS a lot. I hope we beat him everytime we see him, but I also hope he has a good career. 18-10
197 Lofthouse will stay on Ward the entire match and wear him out. 21-10
HWT CHA will start emptying out for this one and many will miss out on the exciting finish…swapped escapes and a riding time point.
Final Score: Iowa 24 – ISU 10
133 Ramos- close to a major. 9-0
141 Ballweg has shown a lot of fight, but I haven't seen him wrestle a quality opponent. I wouldn't be surprised if he won, and it would be an awesome sign if he did. But I just can't go against my gut here, Drouin has a lot of experience and is really good wrestler. 9-3
149 Carr- picks up a major. 9-7
157 St. John- wins with a nice margin, never in doubt. 12-7
165 Kerr- 15-7
174 Reader wins 4-3. 15-10
184 Gambrall winner by decision. I liked watching Riley in HS a lot. I hope we beat him everytime we see him, but I also hope he has a good career. 18-10
197 Lofthouse will stay on Ward the entire match and wear him out. 21-10
HWT CHA will start emptying out for this one and many will miss out on the exciting finish…swapped escapes and a riding time point.
Final Score: Iowa 24 – ISU 10
