Iowa Program Pessimists

[proudhawkfan21]

I'm glad we have "winners" and "true fans" who will only accept championships as a measure of success. Indeed you hope to begin every season with the opportunity to win every game. According to the following list, how many schools have won national championships that aren't "blue bloods?" in the past 20 years?

2015 Alabama CFP
2014 Ohio State CFP
2013 Florida State BCS
2012 Alabama BCS
2011 Alabama BCS
2010 Auburn BCS
2009 Alabama BCS
2008 Florida BCS
2007 Louisiana State BCS
2006 Florida BCS
2005 Texas BCS
2004 Southern California BCS
2003 Louisiana State, Southern California BCS, AP, FWAA
2002 Ohio State BCS
2001 Miami (Fla.) BCS
2000 Oklahoma BCS
1999 Florida State BCS
1998 Tennessee BCS
1997 Michigan, Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN
1996 Florida AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNNs

I appreciate the desire to win..but at what cost? People want to give me a hard time for appreciating better football than most schools get when look at the list. No one cracks it. I get that you all want more. I try to be reasonable.

 

[phdsvp]

You're just happy getting drunk outdoors in the fall. And as long as 60k+ rubes like you buy tickets, we'll never get any better. We're justIowa.

 

[theboat]

There's a big difference between championship and not losing to FCS teams or getting embarrassed in bowls. I know the former won't happen but that doesn't mean the latter is ok.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

I'm glad we have "winners" and "true fans" who will only accept championships as a measure of success. Indeed you hope to begin every season with the opportunity to win every game. According to the following list, how many schools have won national championships that aren't "blue bloods?" in the past 20 years?

2015 Alabama CFP
2014 Ohio State CFP
2013 Florida State BCS
2012 Alabama BCS
2011 Alabama BCS
2010 Auburn BCS
2009 Alabama BCS
2008 Florida BCS
2007 Louisiana State BCS
2006 Florida BCS
2005 Texas BCS
2004 Southern California BCS
2003 Louisiana State, Southern California BCS, AP, FWAA
2002 Ohio State BCS
2001 Miami (Fla.) BCS
2000 Oklahoma BCS
1999 Florida State BCS
1998 Tennessee BCS
1997 Michigan, Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN
1996 Florida AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNNs

I appreciate the desire to win..but at what cost? People want to give me a hard time for appreciating better football than most schools get when look at the list. No one cracks it. I get that you all want more. I try to be reasonable.

We get it. None of us think we will compete for the national championship every year or most years. We should have it as a goal, but realistically not gonna work out

What would be nice is not to trot out a team that looks scared to do anything because they'll be punished by the coach.

Our offense is horrible. Has been 16/18 years. It's just freaking boring. That's why we can't get recruits.

We are boring

 

[ShockHawk22]

I don't expect championships, that's a rare air. But maybe is it fair to expect not to get embarrassed on national TV? Or for 5 years in a row?

 

[PCHawk]

You're just happy getting drunk outdoors in the fall. And as long as 60k+ rubes like you buy tickets, we'll never get any better. We're justIowa.

The fans is one of the few things Iowa has in its favor. If they quit showing up, it will make the program worse, not better.

 

[STLhawkeye20]

lol I'm not sure who you're talking about TC. No one expects national championships. But it would sure be nice not to lose five straight bowl games, three of them in embarrassing fashion.

 

[phdsvp]

The fans is one of the few things Iowa has in its favor. If they quit showing up, it will make the program worse, not better.

Cool. So spend your money on some weird obligation to a program that has made it clear they don't care about you. It's your wallet, I suppose.

 

[EstronHawkKing]

I don't expect championships, that's a rare air. But maybe is it fair to expect not to get embarrassed on national TV? Or for 5 years in a row?

We should have won a least one Big 10 title since 04. This staff can't even win a conference title let alone a national title.

 

[Motigerhawk]

Iowa is a great landing spot for any coach. Look at the upsides of this program. Great facilities, great fan base, a press corp that lets you do whatever you want and never questions you, a money making athletic department, boosters that consider it a honor to be around you.

There is no reason that we should settle for 7-8 wins a season. There is no reason that recruits would not want to come to Iowa.

But here we are.

Do I expect a NC every year? Of course not.
But we are not very good anymore at what we are celebrated to be, a developmental program. Or maybe we are, but it isnt transferring to wins.

I will add something I put in another thread. Wisconsin averages 10 wins a season. Thats right, averages. Why cant we be that?

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

There's a big difference between championship and not losing to FCS teams or getting embarrassed in bowls. I know the former won't happen but that doesn't mean the latter is ok.

For '16...9-3 and a competitively played bowl game would have been successful in my opinion.

Being in the hunt for the B1G West/Championship game going into the last 2-3 games of the season, and being at least competitive in a decent bowl game would be a successful season.

Losing to a FCS school, being out of the B1G West race by Halloween, and getting blown out by anyone, especially in a bowl game, is not successful.

It's not a zero sum game. There are a few way over the top with negativity all the time, but if you can't understand why the middle of the road folks (the independants, if you will) aren't upset, confused, and disenfranchised, then your being just as extreme to the other side.

As is politics, it is on HN. The fringes shout the loudest, when truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

[Motigerhawk]

The fans is one of the few things Iowa has in its favor. If they quit showing up, it will make the program worse, not better.

You are wrong. Iowa has many things going for it. We are one of the better athletic departments and programs in the nation. In everything but wins.

 

[STLhawkeye20]

For '16...9-3 and a competitively played bowl game would have been successful in my opinion.

Being in the hunt for the B1G West/Championship game going into the last 2-3 games of the season, and being at least competitive in a decent bowl game would be a successful season.

Losing to a FCS school, being out of the B1G West race by Halloween, and getting blown out by anyone, especially in a bowl game, is not successful.

It's not a zero sum game. There are a few way over the top with negativity all the time, but if you can't understand why the middle of the road folks (the independants, if you will) aren't upset, confused, and disenfranchised, then your being just as extreme to the other side.

As is politics, it is on HN. The fringes shout the loudest, when truth is somewhere in the middle.

I've stalked this forum since it was created. I don't always post but I've been here. This is a fantastic post and one of the best arguments I've ever seen made on here.

 

[PCHawk]

Cool. So spend your money on some weird obligation to a program that has made it clear they don't care about you. It's your wallet, I suppose.

Your post suggests that fans going to games is the reason we're not better. In reality, fans going to games is a huge plus for the program. That's all I'm saying.

 

[phdsvp]

Your post suggests that fans going to games is the reason we're not better. In reality, fans going to games is a huge plus for the program. That's all I'm saying.

When you're making 100% of the ticket money you can make, you're voting for no changes. The football program isn't going to change because they're selling tickets because the fanbase doesn't realize this. When Iowa's stands look like Missouri's, you'll get a new coach.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Cool. So spend your money on some weird obligation to a program that has made it clear they don't care about you. It's your wallet, I suppose.

Oh please, weird obligation? It's called being a fan. If you don't wanna spend money, then don't.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

When you're making 100% of the ticket money you can make, you're voting for no changes. The football program isn't going to change because they're selling tickets because the fanbase doesn't realize this. When Iowa's stands look like Missouri's, you'll get a new coach.

Not for a about 5 more years you wont. TV money. That, combined with the ludicrous contract has made attendance money far less important. And Iowa isn't Missouri.

 

[EstronHawkKing]

Iowa is a great landing spot for any coach. Look at the upsides of this program. Great facilities, great fan base, a press corp that lets you do whatever you want and never questions you, a money making athletic department, boosters that consider it a honor to be around you.

There is no reason that we should settle for 7-8 wins a season. There is no reason that recruits would not want to come to Iowa.

But here we are.

Do I expect a NC every year? Of course not.
But we are not very good anymore at what we are celebrated to be, a developmental program. Or maybe we are, but it isnt transferring to wins.

I will add something I put in another thread. Wisconsin averages 10 wins a season. Thats right, averages. Why cant we be that?

I am so tired of hearing that Iowa is a "developmental program." In others words, our staff can't recruit 4 and 5 star players, so they use this as an excuse every year.

 

[Motigerhawk]

Its not just about the money that tickets generate. Its also the view of the program on TV. If Iowa is playing on ESPN and there is no one in the stands, that looks bad. We may be making tons of TV money. But perception of the program is important, also.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

I've stalked this forum since it was created. I don't always post but I've been here. This is a fantastic post and one of the best arguments I've ever seen made on here.

Hey, I get clarity on occasion.