Iowa opens - 1 vs. Davidson

Hawk4Fan said:
Guards are what win the the tourny and Davidson has them and Iowa doesn't.
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Getting soooooo f'ing sick of hearing this BS. Jon Miller has been saying that nonstop too. What is the proof of that? Just because Shabazz Napier and Trey Burke had great tournaments? Because Steph Curry had a great tournament?

Frank Kaminsky led Wisconsin to the Final Four last year and he's a 7 foot tall CENTER. He had 28 points 11 rebounds against Arizona to get to the final four. Guess who he had the most help from? Sam Dekker, a Forward. Again not a guard. The Kentucky team who beat them? they were led by Dakari Johnson a Center and Julius Randal, a Forward.

I suppose Duke can't win this year because Okafor is a center and Winslow is a Forward...and Kentucky is screwed this year because Karl-Anthony Towns and Willie Cauley-Stein are Forwards. Better go back and eliminate them from my brackets in the first rounds. No way they beat a guard-led 16 seed...NO WAY

Just stupidity. Sure...guards have made a name for themselves by scoring a ton of points in the tournaments, but that doesn't mean guards win the games. Hell in 2013 Mitch McGary was a center and showed up out of nowhere to lead the Michigan team that almost shocked the world. Oh and guess who beat Michigan that year? A Louisville team led by Luke Hancock (Forward), Chane Behanan (Forward), Gorgui Deng (Center), and Peyton Siva (guard). Siva doesn't score those points without those big men inside.

The idea that "guards win in the tournament" is completely BS.
 
mopkins said:
Getting soooooo f'ing sick of hearing this BS. Jon Miller has been saying that nonstop too. What is the proof of that? Just because Shabazz Napier and Trey Burke had great tournaments? Because Steph Curry had a great tournament?

Frank Kaminsky led Wisconsin to the Final Four last year and he's a 7 foot tall CENTER. He had 28 points 11 rebounds against Arizona to get to the final four. Guess who he had the most help from? Sam Dekker, a Forward. Again not a guard. The Kentucky team who beat them? they were led by Dakari Johnson a Center and Julius Randal, a Forward.

I suppose Duke can't win this year because Okafor is a center and Winslow is a Forward...and Kentucky is screwed this year because Karl-Anthony Towns and Willie Cauley-Stein are Forwards. Better go back and eliminate them from my brackets in the first rounds. No way they beat a guard-led 16 seed...NO WAY

Just stupidity. Sure...guards have made a name for themselves by scoring a ton of points in the tournaments, but that doesn't mean guards win the games. Hell in 2013 Mitch McGary was a center and showed up out of nowhere to lead the Michigan team that almost shocked the world. Oh and guess who beat Michigan that year? A Louisville team led by Luke Hancock (Forward), Chane Behanan (Forward), Gorgui Deng (Center), and Peyton Siva (guard). Siva doesn't score those points without those big men inside.

The idea that "guards win in the tournament" is completely BS.
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Such a clueless stupid post, as both Duke and Kentucky also have stud guards to.
 
mopkins said:
Getting soooooo f'ing sick of hearing this BS. Jon Miller has been saying that nonstop too. What is the proof of that? Just because Shabazz Napier and Trey Burke had great tournaments? Because Steph Curry had a great tournament?

Frank Kaminsky led Wisconsin to the Final Four last year and he's a 7 foot tall CENTER. He had 28 points 11 rebounds against Arizona to get to the final four. Guess who he had the most help from? Sam Dekker, a Forward. Again not a guard. The Kentucky team who beat them? they were led by Dakari Johnson a Center and Julius Randal, a Forward.

I suppose Duke can't win this year because Okafor is a center and Winslow is a Forward...and Kentucky is screwed this year because Karl-Anthony Towns and Willie Cauley-Stein are Forwards. Better go back and eliminate them from my brackets in the first rounds. No way they beat a guard-led 16 seed...NO WAY

Just stupidity. Sure...guards have made a name for themselves by scoring a ton of points in the tournaments, but that doesn't mean guards win the games. Hell in 2013 Mitch McGary was a center and showed up out of nowhere to lead the Michigan team that almost shocked the world. Oh and guess who beat Michigan that year? A Louisville team led by Luke Hancock (Forward), Chane Behanan (Forward), Gorgui Deng (Center), and Peyton Siva (guard). Siva doesn't score those points without those big men inside.

The idea that "guards win in the tournament" is completely BS.
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I agree, though I might be a little more tactful that you. :D

For every Steph Curry that did well, I can give you a Carmello Anthony. For every Trey Burke, I can give you a Danny Manning. For every Shabazz Napier, I can give you an Anthony Davis.

The point being that the whole "it's about guards in the NCAA tournament" is the same in-a-vacuum tripe that the "SEC is the most dominant football conference in the history of forever" is. I'll take Kentucky, Wisconsin, Gonzaga and Arizona front court players before I'd take ANY guards in this year's tournament. Period.
 
Do these guys have anyone productive coming off the bench? One thing not being discussed is Iowa's Sixth Man of the Year coming off the pine..they have 4 guys that can shoot from deep, can they keep up with our depth and length? I'm not seeing or hearing much about this aspect. Dom Uhl also can defend with length and give us a strong handful of minutes. The more I think about this game the more I think we should win convincingly...if good Iowa shows up. Which I think we will.
 
Hawk4Fan said:
Such a clueless stupid post, as both Duke and Kentucky also have stud guards to.
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Oh so teams with stud guards, centers and forwards win games in the tournament? never would've guessed it....and thanks for completely missing the point.
 
deanvogs said:
You take the Indiana game plan and use it against Davidson. Davidson doesn't have the athletes at G that Indiana does (Ferrell, Blackmon, Williams). Indiana shot better from 3 pt. land than Davidson did and Iowa allowed 10 3 pointers to them and let them shoot 40% from 3 point land and still easily handled Indiana.

Just do what you did against Indiana.
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I agree that if Iowa can handle Indiana's athletes on the perimeter then they can handle Davidson's. That team just isn't as athletic or quick as Indiana. What Davidson might be argued to have is more shooters- more guys to keep track of. For that reason, I think Davidson might get more looks than IN did, but the looks will be more closely guarded because they don't have the athleticism to get free as well as IN. Davidson will have to have all their shooters clicking to have a shot at Iowa. If it's just a couple having a good game, I think Iowa wins going away.
 
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DanHawkPella



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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:55 pm Post subject:
MikeMaloy15 wrote:
"This game will likely be decided by which team shoots better from the perimeter."

OK by me.


Yeah, I think you guys would win with that criteria. Iowa has some good 3 point shooters from the SG and SF positions, but our SG's (Jok, Oglesby) are inconsistent and our PG's generally don't shoot the 3 much.

Fran's system is generally the fastest pace in the Big 10, but Conference play slows us down and this team isn't quite as up tempo as some of his past teams. We will run on makes and misses if the opportunity presents itself. In the half court we move the ball well and have some long guys that can get to the rim and we often get to the FT line a lot for that reason. Only big, bruising teams have stopped us from doing that.

We are probably the 5th or 6th longest team in the country based on some KenPom metric - we can go 7'1", 6'9", 6'9", 6'4" and 6'1" for starters and bring in a 6'10" and 6'7" guys who play a lot also. Our length on the perimeter has been able to slow down some perimeter teams with shorter guards, and we have a half court trap that may not force a lot of turnovers but can make teams eat some clock.

Based on the above, I'm expecting that Davidson will want to press a lot and force turnovers to get easier shots than they might get in a half court game. I also expect Davidson to pack it in on defense and to force us to make perimeter shots rather than attack the rim from the post or the drive with our front court length.

Iowa can counter mainly with our SG rotation - Clemmons (a PG) if we need ball handling against pressure, or Jok (our starter) if we want shooting. Oglesby can also come off the bench but is pretty much just a (streaky) jump shooter whereas Jok can create more (and turn it over more).

A good gauge for Davidson will be Iowa's turnover total, and our FT total. If we turn it over less than 15 times and get to the FT line 20 times or more, I would think we would win. Thus my guess about Davidson packing it in and pressing above.

Good luck! You guys have a very good program. Let me know if you have any questions about Iowa.

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Hawk4Fan said:
Iowa struggles to score period no matter how much size advantage they have over anybody.....Guards are what win the the tourny and Davidson has them and Iowa doesn't.
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Have you watched Davidson play? I have. You are giving their guards too much credit.
 
If the Iowa team that shot 28% vs Penn State shows up, it will be one and done. Who know's which Hawk team will show up...
 
mopkins said:
Getting soooooo f'ing sick of hearing this BS. Jon Miller has been saying that nonstop too. What is the proof of that? Just because Shabazz Napier and Trey Burke had great tournaments? Because Steph Curry had a great tournament?

Frank Kaminsky led Wisconsin to the Final Four last year and he's a 7 foot tall CENTER. He had 28 points 11 rebounds against Arizona to get to the final four. Guess who he had the most help from? Sam Dekker, a Forward. Again not a guard. The Kentucky team who beat them? they were led by Dakari Johnson a Center and Julius Randal, a Forward.

I suppose Duke can't win this year because Okafor is a center and Winslow is a Forward...and Kentucky is screwed this year because Karl-Anthony Towns and Willie Cauley-Stein are Forwards. Better go back and eliminate them from my brackets in the first rounds. No way they beat a guard-led 16 seed...NO WAY

Just stupidity. Sure...guards have made a name for themselves by scoring a ton of points in the tournaments, but that doesn't mean guards win the games. Hell in 2013 Mitch McGary was a center and showed up out of nowhere to lead the Michigan team that almost shocked the world. Oh and guess who beat Michigan that year? A Louisville team led by Luke Hancock (Forward), Chane Behanan (Forward), Gorgui Deng (Center), and Peyton Siva (guard). Siva doesn't score those points without those big men inside.

The idea that "guards win in the tournament" is completely BS.
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Completely agree. Guards can't win a tournament because they will be outrebounded. Even the best guards need the bigs: to start the fast break for them to score, to set picks on the perimeter to open them up for their shot, to make themselves available when the guards drive so they have somewhere to dish, to get offensive rebounds so the guards can shoot again.

Yes, you need good guards. But the good guards absolutely need good bigs to win in the tournament. It's that way at EVERY level of basketball.
 
So...wouldn't the game plan be:

play tight around three point line and make their 5'11"s drive (which I've heard they are a motion team rather than dribble drive so that's out of their routine) to our big fellas of 6'9"s 6'11" and 7'1" (which seeing that much length is out of their routine) and have our guards stay on their man/area rather than crash down?

Jess Settles is confident of a 10-point win and says Iowa will have 45 points in the paint. Davidson needs 15 3-pters to match that. Then all the FTs Iowa will get on top of that.

Sounds good to me and if Settles is that confident, then that boosts mine.
 
bb4hawks said:
If the Iowa team that shot 28% vs Penn State shows up, it will be one and done. Who know's which Hawk team will show up...
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I like our odds of shooting over 28% looking at the season as a whole. And we still win the game with some effort on the defensive end. I want the defense to show up to play. If we play defense we will be playing Sunday.
 
McKillop has taken Davidson to the NCAA Tournament 7 times...prior to this year. And his teams have never won a game without Stephen Curry on the floor...6 times they were one and done.

He has taken 5 teams to the NIT. They lost in the 1st round 3 times...including last year. The other 2 years they lost in the 2nd round.

So in 12 postseason appearances (not counting their CBI appearance which went nowhere) he has 1 Stephan Curry run. That's it.
 
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