Iowa is 14-10 the past 2 seasons with all this NFL talent...

[hawkfan33]

that could be an arguement against channge, no?

michigan? Kansas? Do you think Kansas State wished that Snyder never wallked away? Do you think Iowa State wish they never showed McCarney the door? what about Boston College and firing Jeff Jagodzinski for interviewing for the NY Jets job after 20-8 in two seasons at BC?

I could go on, and coaching changes certainly effect some less than others, but it would have a Kansas-like effect to our program.

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Mississippi St is better off for hiring Mullen. FSU is better under Fisher than they were under an 80 year old Bobby Bowden. West Virgina now has a much better head coach than they did in Bill Stewart. Erickson was no better or worse than the man he replaced at ASU.

So no, that's not really an argument for not changing coaches at all. None of those schools, except for Florida which didn't have a choice, is worse off for changing coaches.

 

[hawkfan33]

that could be an arguement against channge, no?

michigan? Kansas? Do you think Kansas State wished that Snyder never wallked away? Do you think Iowa State wish they never showed McCarney the door? what about Boston College and firing Jeff Jagodzinski for interviewing for the NY Jets job after 20-8 in two seasons at BC?

I could go on, and coaching changes certainly effect some less than others, but it would have a Kansas-like effect to our program.

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You think Stanford is glad they fired Walt Harris? You think Georgia Tech is glad they fired Chan Gailey? You think Clemson is glad they fired Tommy Bowden?

Hand picking a few examples to prove your point is really yes. And yes I think most ISU fans would agree that their program is better off now than it would have been if McCarney was still coach.

But I don't think Iowa even needs to fire Ferentz, I do think we need a major staff shake up though.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

stanford is the product of one good QB. Look no further than, Cal and Rogers. they haven't been anything close to what they were when rogers was there. Also it was the case with Boston College and Matt Ryan. Or Jay Cutler and Vanderbilt.

My examples of coaching changes were at smaller market- more ambiguous college football programs when it comes to recruiting & national relevance.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

You think Stanford is glad they fired Walt Harris? You think Georgia Tech is glad they fired Chan Gailey? You think Clemson is glad they fired Tommy Bowden?

Hand picking a few examples to prove your point is really yes. And yes I think most ISU fans would agree that their program is better off now than it would have been if McCarney was still coach.

But I don't think Iowa even needs to fire Ferentz, I do think we need a major staff shake up though.

Chan Gailey? And his predecessor was all-world? George O'Leary (current UCF coach) was only 52-33 in 8 seasons at GaTech, you have to remember how much more competive the ACC was then versus now. I think there's arguements that could be made both ways. But the viscosity of coaching changes is somthing that would not bode well in Iowa City.

How has changing cordinators worked for Mack Brown, Ron Zook, or Rick Nuehiesal(sp)? again i do know that some changes have worked for some coaches, but a spade is a spade! and a coach is a coach

 

[Xerxes]

Kirk's overal record at Iowa: 96-65 .596
Kirk's record 2010-2011: 14-10 .583


Kirk's B10 record at Iowa: 57-47 .548
Kirk's B10 record 2010-2011: 8-8 .500

The ****** off people should have been upset a long time ago. This isn't a new development going on in IC. Kirk has put together three great B10 seasons with one awful one and the rest are similiar to this season. Middle of the pack B10.

It amazes me that people expect so much for this guy. He has delivered great B10 seasons 23% of his career (3/13 seasons). Outside of that 3-5, 4-4, 5-3 seasons.

For the people who say he's overpaid: He's been making big money for nearly a decade. Once again, why are people so upset right now?

For the people who are upset with the NFL talent being wasted recently: 1999, 2000, 2006, & 2007 are the only teams in which Iowa didn't have significant NFL talent. 69% of his teams have had good talent (9/13 seasons). So once again, why are so many upset now?

 

[NewMexHawk]

So comparing Ferentz and his staff and their successes or non-success to another coach makes Ferentz's lack of success perfectly acceptable? I wonder how long those programs will accept their mediocre coaches? Iowa is definitely locked in for the next 10 years because there is no way Iowa can ever buy out Ferentz's contract.

Think Florida and or Texas will accept their mediocrity much longer? But Iowa and many Iowa fans will because we are just Iowa, with no sizzle.

 

[NewMexHawk]

You have to get upset at some point. And Iowa fans have been upset or have been scratching their heads in wonder at Ferentz's coaching style for years. This is not a new development, it may be that more and more and more fans are starting to voice their displeasure at the stubborness, ultraconservatism, non-adjusting, extreme vanilla, play not to lose attitude of this staff.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

I've said it before in another thread, to be consistently good- you first have to be consistent. So yes, I'm pleased that we are consistently bowl eligible and win them more often than not.

6-3 under Ferentz- with our only bowl losses coming to teams that came off of a National Championship (2006 Texas won BCS in '05) or would go on to win the next BCS Championship (2002 USC finished #1 in the final rankings in '03; and 2005 Florida would go on to win the '06 National Championship.)

Our next opponent will not be Oregon or Auburn; so that leaves the team we draw this year will have to go on to play in the 2012 BCS championship game for us to lose- but teams like (SMU and A&M or whoever will not be good enough next year).

So...... Bowl game = Win

 

[cibula11]

The chances that a new coach will outperform Ferentz are highly unlikely. The chances that a new coach will grossly underperform considering the status of MSU, Michigan and Nebraska... highly likely.

You actually said something that is true. I agree.

 

[clicheusername3]

I've said it before in another thread, to be consistently good- you first have to be consistent. So yes, I'm pleased that we are consistently bowl eligible and win them more often than not.

6-3 under Ferentz- with our only bowl losses coming to teams that came off of a National Championship (2006 Texas won BCS in '05) or would go on to win the next BCS Championship (2002 USC finished #1 in the final rankings in '03; and 2005 Florida would go on to win the '06 National Championship.)

Our next opponent will not be Oregon or Auburn; so that leaves the team we draw this year will have to go on to play in the 2012 BCS championship game for us to lose- but teams like (SMU and A&M or whoever will not be good enough next year).

So...... Bowl game = Win

Not sure why you needed to post anything but the last sentence because I can't make any sense out of the rest of it.

 

[OverratedD]

stanford is the product of one good QB. Look no further than, Cal and Rogers. they haven't been anything close to what they were when rogers was there. Also it was the case with Boston College and Matt Ryan. Or Jay Cutler and Vanderbilt.

My examples of coaching changes were at smaller market- more ambiguous college football programs when it comes to recruiting & national relevance.

How about Mike Gundy and Oklahoma State? What about Gary Patterson and TCU? What about Chris Peterson and Boise St.?

What's your point?

Your "let's not fire KF because we might end up worse off" is NOT valid because you can just as easily argue that a new head coach could very well give our program a boost. What do you think Oklahoma was thinking when they hired Bob Stoops? Did they say...."no, let's just stick with what we've got because we MIGHT be worse off." That's the dumbest argument people on this board make.

 

[OverratedD]

The chances that a new coach will outperform Ferentz are highly unlikely. The chances that a new coach will grossly underperform considering the status of MSU, Michigan and Nebraska... highly likely.

Stats please.

It's highly likely that you know nothing about college football and highly unlikely that you'll ever make a good post on this site. Anyone can post an opinion...please give me the statistics on this (and not hand picked examples...give me data for the last 15 years so I can make a decision on whether what you say is accurate).

 

[hawkfan33]

Chan Gailey? And his predecessor was all-world? George O'Leary (current UCF coach) was only 52-33 in 8 seasons at GaTech, you have to remember how much more competive the ACC was then versus now. I think there's arguements that could be made both ways. But the viscosity of coaching changes is somthing that would not bode well in Iowa City.

How has changing cordinators worked for Mack Brown, Ron Zook, or Rick Nuehiesal(sp)? again i do know that some changes have worked for some coaches, but a spade is a spade! and a coach is a coach

Changing coordinators worked out pretty well for Zook they were 8-16 in the two years before they changed, and have been bowl eligible for the two seasons since. Using your own metric for success, it worked quite well.

Mack Brown's team has also improved from last season with the hiring of new coordinators. They are bowl eligible this season. You really suck at coming up with examples to prove your point.

 

[treychase]

The "stay the course" crowd is awesome.
At what point is a change warranted?
A loss to UNI next year, does that do it?
A loss to Minny for the 3rd straight yr?
How many more players leaving the program?
0-12?

Just trying to understand when exactly a change would be ok.

 

[CGHawk]

The "stay the course" crowd is awesome.At what point is a change warranted?A loss to UNI next year, does that do it?A loss to Minny for the 3rd straight yr?How many more players leaving the program?0-12?Just trying to understand when exactly a change would be ok.

To these guys? Never.

KF is apparently god and there are no better coaches out there than him. If we fire him, we are guaranteed a new terrible coach I guess.

No matter how ill-prepared the team looks every game... KF is doing a great job.

No matter how many timea he hurts us with poor clock management and stupid in game decisions... KF is doing a great job.

Soon their argument will be, "but remember how good Iowa.was under KF 20 years ago?! He is just rebuilding. 3 win seasons are acceptable, we just need to not have such high expectations.

Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but for god's sake... I love KF and think he is a great person and I appreciate what he's fine and I'm not even saying we need to fire him, but MAKE SOME DAMN CHANGES. Get rid of KOK. Bring in some talented coaches. Change up our vanilla offense and our bend, bend, break defense.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

As a fan you just suck at life, if you constantly lean towards the negative side of everything.

It's like being in a relationship, it's not always going to be good, and you get spoiled by the things your partner does for you. Just like the ups and downs in CFB, and how spoiled/fickle fan bases can be. It makes me sick! When we do not get bowl eligible for two years in a row, that'll be the day- or of Ferentz retires first. Choose one of those two options and bite your lip- that's what will happen!