Iowa Hoop Stats Adding Up; Basabe a Star

[storminspank]

One can have a better 4-year career and not be the better player?

Absolutely.

Basabe will likely be the better player his first couple years at Iowa. Marble will continue to improve (as will Basabe). Mel will have those few years were he was better than Devyn that will add to his legacy at Iowa. But I still think Marble has the better senior year and turns out to be the better of two, even though Mel will have the better stats in his first two or three years.

While both are still very raw and have a large ceiling, I still think Marble has the better skills set and playing at the wing (scorer) in Fran's offense will certainly help. You seen some glimpses of his ability to hit the pull up 18 ftr, getting to the rim and creating, great handles for a wing (did you see his crossover last game?). He's still raw, though. Really raw. And is a liability on defense in the half court right now.

 

[Section136]

Also dont forget how young Marble is for a college freshman. He just turned 18 in September. He should be a senior in High School this year. I turned 18 in October of my senior year and was not even close to being the oldest kid in my class.

I think we see a huge improvement in Marble's game between his freshman and sophomore years.

 

[tm3308]

One can have a better 4-year career and not be the better player?

Definitely. DJK had the best career as a receiver, but that doesn't mean he was the most talented receiver (and I'm a big DJK fan).

Marble could be the better player once he's fully developed. Basabe has less room to grow in his game.

 

[JonDMiller]

Spank, I will wager you an indie rock CD of your choice

Marble is raw, and he will get better. But he has so many things to get better in. He is an average ball handler (at best?)...has to get a lot stronger...needs a lot of work on his jump shot to create the same shooting motion each time and develop that muscle memory.

The great thing is he can work on a lot of these things. I don't think they are all givens, however. His shot has a ways to go.

He has a chance to be a pretty good defender. I am excited for his future and really dont care for debates like this because we tend to beat one side down a bit

As raw as Basabe is offensively, he is still averaging 12.9 points per game in Big Ten play and over 7 boards.

Next year, he could be a 16/8 player as a soph.

Here is a list of the 16ppg or more and 8 rebounds per game or more players at Iowa in last 30 years:

Acie Earl (16.9/8.9 SENIOR 1993)
Greg Stokes (19.9/8.4 SENIOR 1985)
Ed Horton (18.3/10.6 SENIOR 1989)

I think Basabe has a chance to do this for the last three years of his career...tough for me to envision any chance Marble is a better player than Basabe by the time they are seniors.

 

[JHHawk]

If Marble ends up being a 6'8'' 225lb wing player of good quicks and athleticism,he will be more of a proto-type NBA -sized player at his position. Mel plays tall,but will always be an undersized power forward. They both could end up very good,I hope,in the college game. Maybe neck and neck by their senior year...which would be great,cus that would mean that Devyn has made up a lot of ground on Melsahn.

 

[storminspank]

Spank, I will wager you an indie rock CD of your choice

Marble is raw, and he will get better. But he has so many things to get better in. He is an average ball handler (at best?)...has to get a lot stronger...needs a lot of work on his jump shot to create the same shooting motion each time and develop that muscle memory.

The great thing is he can work on a lot of these things. I don't think they are all givens, however. His shot has a ways to go.

He has a chance to be a pretty good defender. I am excited for his future and really dont care for debates like this because we tend to beat one side down a bit

As raw as Basabe is offensively, he is still averaging 12.9 points per game in Big Ten play and over 7 boards.

Next year, he could be a 16/8 player as a soph.

Here is a list of the 16ppg or more and 8 rebounds per game or more players at Iowa in last 30 years:

Acie Earl (16.9/8.9 SENIOR 1993)
Greg Stokes (19.9/8.4 SENIOR 1985)
Ed Horton (18.3/10.6 SENIOR 1989)

I think Basabe has a chance to do this for the last three years of his career...tough for me to envision any chance Marble is a better player than Basabe by the time they are seniors.

I love these debates because it means we can be excited about the future of Iowa BB !!

Don't you think Basabe is getting the #s because he is getting the PT? And he is getting the PT out of necessity? I think in other years where Iowa had junior and senior bigs that were seasoned, I don't think Basabe gets more than 15 min/G. I think his position, coupled with the lack of depth, is giving Basabe minutes (and stats).

Disclaimer: I like Basabe's game, so this isn't a knock on him at all.

Make it an indie pop vinyl and you're on. I'll buy you a U2 poster or something.

 

[JonDMiller]

Basabe is averaging under 26 minutes per game. I can see that getting to 30 next year.

He doesn't really have a face up game right now. I could see a 10-foot in jump shot game developing for him, due to the fact he is hitting more than 82% from the line in B10 play on a team high number of attempts. That's how I see 3 more ppg coming his way, and one more rebound per game coming his way. I dont think its a stretch.

With regards to why is he getting minutes, that would also suggest that given his play in the time on the court, he isn't deserving of those minutes. If he would not have played 25mpg in previous years, based upon the production he has, the body control he shows against some pretty darn good competition in league play, that coach should have been fired

he is getting the minutes because he is good...yeah, he is also getting minutes do to a lack of depth, but he is excelling with the minutes he is getting.

He has gone for 20 or more five separate times in his 15 Big Ten games, sand 19 on Saturday.

Thinking back to Iowa big men as freshmen, he's near the top of the list in my lifetime. Michael Payne's freshman year was sensational and he regressed after that. Jess Settles' frosh season is probably the most on par with what we are seeing from Basabe, but Settles was much more polished offensively and had the foundation for a perimeter jump shot.

Basabe is in rare company statistically, and with regards to talent, for an Iowa big man in my lifetime.

 

[SDK46]

I'm not anti-Marble at all....but boy, some of the rhetoric on here is seriously dis'ing Mr. Basabe and his potential and current level of play.

I think he leaves Mr. Marble in the dust quite frankly.

 

[storminspank]

I'm not dissing Mel at all, he's going to be an outstanding player while at Iowa. I just think Devyn ends up better as a senior.

 

[storminspank]

Check this out too... I was over at the DMR's site during lunch and Rick Brown was having a chat, so I asked him opinion on this matter too...

Chat Hawkeye men’s basketball with Rick Brown at 12:30 | Hawk Central

Here was the exchange -

[Comment From storminspank: ]
Of the 3 freshmen, who will be the best player when it is all said and done as a senior? Not specifically who has the best career at Iowa, but as a senior, who will be the best all-around player of the three? I've maintained it will be Devyn.

Rick Brown:
I tend to agree with you, storminspank...Marble has such an upside...he's shown he can shoot in transition. He has the length to be a terrific defender...when he gets stronger, he'll be able to get the the rim and finish much better. Now if Basabe can improve his 15-foot jump shot, and be able to ball fake and get by his defender easier because of it, it might get interesting. I really like McCabe, too. He can be an inside-out guy, too. But Marble, wow, his potential is unlimited.

 

[Briggs32]

Jon....storminspank

How much weight do you guys think they need to put on and how much do you think they will be at next year? They obviously both need to hit the weights as they are both on the think side. Marble is listed at 190 and Basabe at 225. Both of these players have plenty of upside and one of the key things in their development will be their physical development to help them bang around in a full season of Big Ten basketball.

 

[storminspank]

They both need to put on some lbs.

I think 10 lbs minimum a piece.

 

[CAARHawk]

Here was the exchange -

[Comment From storminspank: ]

Rick Brown:
I tend to agree with you, storminspank...Marble has such an upside...he's shown he can shoot in transition. He has the length to be a terrific defender...when he gets stronger, he'll be able to get the the rim and finish much better. Now if Basabe can improve his 15-foot jump shot, and be able to ball fake and get by his defender easier because of it, it might get interesting. I really like McCabe, too. He can be an inside-out guy, too. But Marble, wow, his potential is unlimited.

Bruner vs. Haluska ?

 

[atomicblue224]

do i get anything ? i`m just joshing with you guys and carry on....