cubbyhawk2
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really?..............20 games in and he can't do it huh? did you know he was left with a complete load of crap?.............Clueless.
I'm calling for Barta's Head - He needs to go
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really?..............20 games in and he can't do it huh? did you know he was left with a complete load of crap?.............Clueless.
HawkForce
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It's all about recruiting and guess what he's not doing very well....recruiting...ISU has Hoiberg down there bringing in all sorts of talent from Transfers and stuff....That's what you have to do. We're in trouble.
JonDMiller
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My guess is Iowa is saying very little right now with reasons to do so...or not do so
BSpringsteen
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I don't really understand where you're going with that...
... as in they are afraid of legal action against them?
... as in they are putting ducks in a row to rid us of Barta?
I'm not saying this because I think you are in this camp Jon - so please don't misunderstand me. But, I can't see how anyone, looking at the body of work, especially at times of crisis, can put up a logical argument that he should still have a job as AD at Iowa.
INTIMIDATORHawk
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My guess is that Iowa is expecting legal action against them at some point in the future, and they are keeping key people out of the media meat grinder in order to prevent them from saying something that might be damaging.
Hoiberg has gathered a couple of thugs that were kicked off of their former teams. One is a thief and a melodramatic attention whore. The group of transfers are starting to become almost mythical, one was a highly recruited kid that has yet to play a college game, one was a guy who was always a better athlete than he was a basketball player, Babb is a good shooter. These aren't All-Americans, that is simply the delusional ISU fan perspective. Stop buying into it.
Here are the recruiting classes according to rivals:
Iowa State has four different three-star commits, none rated in the top 125. Three of the kids have very bland offer lists, with their PG having far and away the most impressive list with the likes of Cincinnati and West Virginia.
Iowa has two three stars kids, one being ranked as the 118th best prospect in the country- the only player ranked in the top 125 for either school, with offers from Illinois, ASU, Minnesota and Boston College. Iowa's other commit is an unranked three star, with offers from Boston College and Northwestern.
I don't see how people can have this assumption that Hoiberg is out getting it done and McCaffery isn't. I don't get it. Is it just that 4 is more than 2, so they assume that Hoiberg is doing a better job? Is it because Iowa's two commits are white?
tweeterhawk
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Like Jon, my sense is the department is in hunker-down mode, not wanting to say anything that could be fodder for potential legal action or to give the anti-Iowa media forces more meat to grind. Hold fast against the criticism, let it blow over, get ducks in a row for the investigation, make necessary changes, move forward.
I did think Barta showed very poor judgement in leaving as planned on Wednesday for the Friday golf outing in Florida. He should have stayed and managed the growing perception problems.
I'll agree with the above poster who opined he hoped Barta is not AD when it comes time to hire a new football coach. Lickliter was a disaster, Fran hasn't exactly blown it up rebuilding the program (although it's still very early). I just don't have a lot of faith that Barta knows how to hire or effectively manage an athletics department, for that matter.
He does look pretty d*mned good in a blue blazer and tie, I'll give him that.
I did think Barta showed very poor judgement in leaving as planned on Wednesday for the Friday golf outing in Florida. He should have stayed and managed the growing perception problems.
I'll agree with the above poster who opined he hoped Barta is not AD when it comes time to hire a new football coach. Lickliter was a disaster, Fran hasn't exactly blown it up rebuilding the program (although it's still very early). I just don't have a lot of faith that Barta knows how to hire or effectively manage an athletics department, for that matter.
He does look pretty d*mned good in a blue blazer and tie, I'll give him that.
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PJHawk
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It's not that hard to figure out - of course they are concerned about legal action. When a hack like Rod Gilmore (who is an attorney) on ESPN is talking about lawsuits it's very possible a few ambulance chasers have already contacted some of these parents.
skinnykilmer17
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It is interesting that some people are on one hand critical of those who are criticizing Coach Ferentz before all the facts are in, but don't have a problem with throwing stones at the 13 players with innuendo lilke alcohol consumption, drug use, their own abuse of illegal supplements, hard partying, etc. And now Phil Haddy and Fred Mims should be open to criticism before Coach Ferentz? Where does the buck stop? To me it is with the Head football coach.
The only thing that we really know for sure is that 13 players were hospitalized following a strenous workout. The head football coach, who is the leader and face of the program, for whatever reason chose to not alter his schedule to get back to IC sooner. He also didn't release any public statements for 4 days. The athletic director not only didn't revise his schedule, but has yet to be heard from. Chris Doyle and his staff have not been made available and have made zero comments.
At least one former football player was quoted as saying 100 reps sounds a little extreme. While many others have said this is nothing new. But to my knowledge, none of these former players were present for this particular session(s). And correct me if I am wrong, but none of the current players, hospitalized or not, have gone on record with specifics of these particular sessions other than the timed 100 squats and sled work.
The director of football operations on Wednesday spoke in generalities about their policy on the availabilty of water and made other general statements but still no one to my knowledge has spoken specifically on this particular workout.
Until that occurs, we should quit implying that the 13 players somehow contributed to their hospitalization or others should be at fault for giving Coach Ferentz bad advice.
The only thing that we know is Coach Ferentz and Gary Barta were slow to react publicly. That is puzzling and unfortunate.
The only thing that we really know for sure is that 13 players were hospitalized following a strenous workout. The head football coach, who is the leader and face of the program, for whatever reason chose to not alter his schedule to get back to IC sooner. He also didn't release any public statements for 4 days. The athletic director not only didn't revise his schedule, but has yet to be heard from. Chris Doyle and his staff have not been made available and have made zero comments.
At least one former football player was quoted as saying 100 reps sounds a little extreme. While many others have said this is nothing new. But to my knowledge, none of these former players were present for this particular session(s). And correct me if I am wrong, but none of the current players, hospitalized or not, have gone on record with specifics of these particular sessions other than the timed 100 squats and sled work.
The director of football operations on Wednesday spoke in generalities about their policy on the availabilty of water and made other general statements but still no one to my knowledge has spoken specifically on this particular workout.
Until that occurs, we should quit implying that the 13 players somehow contributed to their hospitalization or others should be at fault for giving Coach Ferentz bad advice.
The only thing that we know is Coach Ferentz and Gary Barta were slow to react publicly. That is puzzling and unfortunate.
i have complete confidence in barta. i am guessing that people in this thread really have not ever had to make any important decisions in their lives, but rather they choose to spend their time tearing down one of our own. ill never understand why people feel the need to make posts like this.
Hawke
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This is simply not true. Just like Gary Barta, I once made the decision to go golfing in Florida.
hawkforlife9
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The only thing Barta has done in his tenure at Iowa is to make sure Captain is paid so well he can't leave. Captain is his meal ticket. He is nothing without Mr. Ferentz.
hawkforlife9
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AMEN X 10
driven by Carver lately? probably not...that would require being loyal through challenging times.
tm3308
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He's a great fundraiser. He's not very good at handling a crisis. It would have been one thing if he'd already been in Florida when all this went down. But he left ON WEDNESDAY?!?! When he knew there would be a presser? Come on.
Billso
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Objectively, just based on the facts on hand and not on speculation, it can be said fairly that Iowa's PR execution and decision-making are far from world-class and need to improve. It's not just one incident, we now have a pattern of poor performance. This is on the AD, albeit just one element of the AD's job and I believe Barta excels at many of them.
I don't know enough about the internals to say if "Phil Haddy must go" or if Gary is preventing Phil from doing his job properly. Even if the latter, a good SID (like any director of PR) will go to the mat with his bosses and legal counsel, for what he knows to be the right approach.
Iowa's approach is almost quaint in this day and age: "if we just do the right thing, we will get credit for that eventually". It's a long term view, and not without merit, but underestimates the severe collateral damage that can happen meanwhile. And how much did Ferentz' terrific long-term reputation help him with the media this week, fairly or unfairly? So I admire the overall integrity of Iowa's program and approach, but you simply can't sit back and let other people tell your story for you.
Watching Biff Poggi casually provide material that Iowa's first press release SHOULD HAVE provided from the beginning (like Ferentz being in constant contact with players & families) - and which even the press conference hadn't yet disclosed - was just astonishing to me.
I don't know enough about the internals to say if "Phil Haddy must go" or if Gary is preventing Phil from doing his job properly. Even if the latter, a good SID (like any director of PR) will go to the mat with his bosses and legal counsel, for what he knows to be the right approach.
Iowa's approach is almost quaint in this day and age: "if we just do the right thing, we will get credit for that eventually". It's a long term view, and not without merit, but underestimates the severe collateral damage that can happen meanwhile. And how much did Ferentz' terrific long-term reputation help him with the media this week, fairly or unfairly? So I admire the overall integrity of Iowa's program and approach, but you simply can't sit back and let other people tell your story for you.
Watching Biff Poggi casually provide material that Iowa's first press release SHOULD HAVE provided from the beginning (like Ferentz being in constant contact with players & families) - and which even the press conference hadn't yet disclosed - was just astonishing to me.
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