Motigerhawk
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Again this is a silly arguement. Cant win or a administration that is satisfied with mediocrity? Im not sire what your arguemnt is? The other schools want to win a national championship, so change happens.
I Thought We Were TE U
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Again this is a silly arguement. Cant win or a administration that is satisfied with mediocrity? Im not sire what your arguemnt is? The other schools want to win a national championship, so change happens.
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DDThompson
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You think those administrations fired their coaches because they didn't win national championships?
I appeal to you to think before you post.
They got fired because they weren't winning consistently.
Now ... how are you going to change your argument from not developing players because that's what good teams or coaches do and seeing a list of historical good teams that have not won consistently to change to an administration that doesn't want to win. Where next?
HawkeyeWalker
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The question is why aren't we throwing to them? Still think its more an issue of playcalling and possibly qb progression (due to lack if time by the olin) than lack of talent ( that said, obviously te talent isn't as good when you lose 2 NFL tes in 1 year).
We all asked why we didn't throw to wrs more for years. Now we are, those targets had to come from somewhere.
Personal is different. But as far as the premise of this thread, I simply dont feel te talent or production (while obviously down, understandably) is in the top 3 or 4 of reasons of offensive issues.
Motigerhawk
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You think those administrations fired their coaches because they didn't win national championships?
I appeal to you to think before you post.
They got fired because they weren't winning consistently.
Now ... how are you going to change your argument from not developing players because that's what good teams or coaches do and seeing a list of historical good teams that have not won consistently to change to an administration that doesn't want to win. Where next?
Again, you argue against yourself. We have had the same coach for 20 years and he doesnt recognize the talent he has and the need to recruit positions we need. Im not sure what you are saying. That teams with a bunch of turnover dont recruit their needs or a team with a 20 year coach doesnt recruit postions of need.
You are either very stubborn or really stupid. Im hoping its the former.
If it smells like shit everywhere you go, smell check under your own shoes first.
Motigerhawk
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So your shoes smell like shit/ Or you dont realize it is your shoes? Same question as before.
HuckFinn
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It would be wise to simply admit motigar is a troll, and not even a very good one. Ignore him.
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DDThompson
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Did not Iowa win today.
And you want to bitch about not having a receiving replacement at TE to replace two first rounders.
Were you not around off-season when everyone was saying the TE position was going to be deficient so the WRs would need to step up.
This is exactly what happened. Why is this such a surprise to you and bitch point for you after this win at this point in the season.
Motigerhawk
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Because this is another coaching deficit. Why not recruit to replace what you will lose? Why is it such a difficult thing to do? Did Fant and Hock appear out of no where? Did our coaches recruit them? Why is it such a deficit now? Because our coaches dropped the ball on recruiting?
We have essentially eliminated an option because of poor recruiting. Seems like a coaching issue to me.
We have essentially eliminated an option because of poor recruiting. Seems like a coaching issue to me.
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DDThompson
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Did you not read my first response?
If you have any kind of talent at TE and the Iowa staff is recruiting you, would you sit behind Fant and TJ for 3 years before you would get to the field on offense?
Why is this so difficult to understand?
Who says Weiting hasn’t been developed? You? How many practices have you been to? Didn’t the coaching staff try to get Cook to switch positions years ago? Why didn’t he?
Players get to make choices too. Right?
Obviously you’re not going to answer those. Time to bitch about how much the coaching staff makes and how they don’t care about winning. Da Haterz Default mechanism.
BigD
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That’s Wisconsin not us. Kirk does reload his bank account every season............... he is the master and Brain is grasshopper.
HawkeyeWalker
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Yes, hock did kind of come out if nowhere. A very solid soph year, great hands, but few were talking about him at a level he would leave early ( outside of really super smart guys like me of course ). Fant was an absolute freak athlete, but I actually thought TJ was the better TE. Absolute monster Junior year and rest is history.
Again, I dont believe this was a recruiting failure, more of an issue of simply having hit gold with 2 nfl TEs whi both left early. Fant was slated to bounce, I dont think anyone was talking about TJ leaving early until half through last year, when suddenly he's a prijected first rounder.
There are clearly other coaching issues on offense. But this years blip on TE production, targets is pretty low on the list.
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clownkilla
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We're saving our TE plays for when we play Ohio State this year.
hawkinn3
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Hock wasn’t even a top 50 TE prospect when we recruited him.
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DDThompson
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hawkeyebob62
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Umm...Wieting got 2nd most catches at P$U. That's a whole lotta "never".
smitharooney
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He has 6 catches for the entire season. That’s not even one catch a game . That’s basically never
BigD
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DD at this point you’re right. Most fans think Kirk is a nice guy. The program is decent and appears to be clean. For the most part being a LEGIT division contender and playing and representing the West doesn’t even have to happen for this coach to get his $5,000,000 a year salary. He can do his for another ten years or longer if he wants to.
Meanwhile tens of thousands of Iowans who have jobs that are performance driven can find themselves unemployed from $50,000 to $120,000 a year jobs if they don’t perform.
I always wondered what happen to the state I grew up in. I absolutely was is shock when alternative marriage standards were passed in Iowa before the US Supreme Court made it the law of the land. Why do I bring this up? Because all things are relative. The moral decay of our country has even seeped into sports.
It’s ok to fire someone who makes their modest living off of job performance related employment but to suggest that some coach who makes $5,000,000 a year should be given a free pass just because he can consistently sustain mediocrity in his profession shows a morally broken society. He is paid just himself what eighty-five Iowa police officers make combined a year. Each day could be their last. The same is true for similar numbers for fire fighters. Talk about a high risk profession.
Kirk owes his livelihood to the Big Ten Network. Back in Fry’s day football revenue was earned from TV revenue, ticket sales, and BIG bowl appearances. A 7-5 regular season or even 8-4 season would get you a Holiday Bowl appearance paying out $800,000 to maybe 1.2 million. By the time Hotel, travel, and food we deducted from the trip you would be lucky to have $200,000 to $300,000 left to put into the football program.
TV revenue? Well you had to have a pretty damn good team to even get on the major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC). So revenue was directly tied to having a successful enough team to get air time. Ticket sales soared shortly after Fry showed he could win as the fans started to come to watch the games instead of the half time Iowa band, or just another reason to go get drunk somewhere. In other words revenue was based upon having a successful enough program to generate revenue. Fry has pennies to the dollars what Kirk has to build a staff and to recruit with.
I know people like to look at winning percentages and total wins but neglect to recognize the things I mentioned above. It was a totally different college football world back then. Even the last placed team in the Big Ten Conference now gets over $60,000,000 million a year from the Big Ten Conference.
So what’s really going on with the fans? Why do they not demand that Kirk at least match and keep up with the Wisconsin’s of the West?
Why is their not an outcry from the fan base to at least demand that little? I think the only thing that will get Iowa fans to pull their head out of their ass is if Iowa State by passes our football program. Then and only then will their pride and ego be hurt enough to demand more.
For $5,000,000 a year I think Kirk needs to move this program more forward, but alas his saving grace is the Big Ten Network and a fan base that demands very little. Don’t count me in as part of that group as I am in the part of our society that has a performance based position better known as THE REAL WORLD.
