hogeye
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Don't forget, Robinson had 16 rushing TD's to VB's 3. So if you're comparing QB to QB you can't leave out the totality of their scoring ability.
I am liking the GD hire more and more
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Don't forget, Robinson had 16 rushing TD's to VB's 3. So if you're comparing QB to QB you can't leave out the totality of their scoring ability.
This years road slate:
NIU at Soldier Field- Shakedown cruise for the new offense...but NIU is replacing a number of players so I expect Vandy to be decent.
IU- IU has a lot of returning players but not a good defensive team-Vandy should roll.
NW- NW is replacing 6 defensive starters off of a bad defense. Offensive shootout.
Mich- Tough defense...could struggle.
MSU- tough defense...could struggle.
I think 3 of 5 of our road games Vandy will do fine, with problems vs MSU and Mich.
If he takes care of business at home, Hawks should win 8 or 9 games.
I think our offense will need to carry us,early at least,and so as Vandy goes,so goes the Hawks...and I am feeling good about that.
NIU at Soldier Field- Shakedown cruise for the new offense...but NIU is replacing a number of players so I expect Vandy to be decent.
IU- IU has a lot of returning players but not a good defensive team-Vandy should roll.
NW- NW is replacing 6 defensive starters off of a bad defense. Offensive shootout.
Mich- Tough defense...could struggle.
MSU- tough defense...could struggle.
I think 3 of 5 of our road games Vandy will do fine, with problems vs MSU and Mich.
If he takes care of business at home, Hawks should win 8 or 9 games.
I think our offense will need to carry us,early at least,and so as Vandy goes,so goes the Hawks...and I am feeling good about that.
ICHawk24
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JVB
Home 36car 38yd 1.1avg 3td
Road 42car 23yd 0.5avg 0td
Denard
Home 141car 919yd 6.5avg 11td
Road 80car 257yd 3.2avg 5td
MoseSchrute
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Asked how receptive he is to change, Ferentz, who some label as too conservative and set in his ways, replied, "wide open."
papathawki
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Originally Posted by hogeye
I'll be excited when I can see some tangible evidence that our QB's are being better developed.
Duff says: no doubt he's got some big shoes to fill here, this is something that KOK really excelled at.
Good one, Duff. One of your most funny posts ever! The anti-KOK posters have not commented. Did they not see it? Or are they just trying to ignore it so as to not make an issue about it.
I'll be excited when I can see some tangible evidence that our QB's are being better developed.
Duff says: no doubt he's got some big shoes to fill here, this is something that KOK really excelled at.
Good one, Duff. One of your most funny posts ever! The anti-KOK posters have not commented. Did they not see it? Or are they just trying to ignore it so as to not make an issue about it.
Billso
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Here you are AGAIN with your so-called "facts", Mr... ICFact-Guy. Vandenberg's road performance was unacceptable, and none of your facts are going to change my opinion!
I saw it and I sensed sarcasm.
I complained last year that KOK didnt seem to realize he needed to run some easy basic throws to get JVB in a groove.
I am hoping that GD can get JVB in a groove to start games, to give him throws in situations that have a high chance of success.
I think GD will do this.
Motigerhawk
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I hope he turns JVB into Colt McCoy.
hogeye
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First off, I am not anti-KOK. I have defended KF, KOK and Norm for years. That doesn't mean, however, that I didn't have areas of concern and QB development is Exhibit A.
The stats are completely inconsistent from QB to QB. Which proves my point.
Drew Tate was basically stagnant in terms of development his entire career. He came in early and did very well with mostly raw talent, peaked his Junior year, dropped off and regressed his Senior year.
Christensen, complete failure.
Stanzi started off with a decent season in 2008, regressed in 2009, then bounced back in 2010 (statistically, frankly I take 2009 Stanzi over 2010 any day).
JVB, came in very strong his first year, statistically. He had some of his worst statistical performances at the end of the season when the D was playing better and the O should have been more cohesive.
These QB's were all over the board. And the QB's that KOK developed at Iowa didn't steadily progress each year. The only thing that is consistent is that they are all inconsistent when you compare them statistically and watch them throughout their careers.
The stats are completely inconsistent from QB to QB. Which proves my point.
Drew Tate was basically stagnant in terms of development his entire career. He came in early and did very well with mostly raw talent, peaked his Junior year, dropped off and regressed his Senior year.
Christensen, complete failure.
Stanzi started off with a decent season in 2008, regressed in 2009, then bounced back in 2010 (statistically, frankly I take 2009 Stanzi over 2010 any day).
JVB, came in very strong his first year, statistically. He had some of his worst statistical performances at the end of the season when the D was playing better and the O should have been more cohesive.
These QB's were all over the board. And the QB's that KOK developed at Iowa didn't steadily progress each year. The only thing that is consistent is that they are all inconsistent when you compare them statistically and watch them throughout their careers.
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STILLBUSTER
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Back to olddude's original point ... I'm also liking what I hear about GD.
JVB's comments are telling. For starters, KF tends to be very emotionally "hands-off". I attribute this to his NFL upbringing, where, the "rah-rah" is not as accepted by the pros because 1) they are men and 2) they are expected to get themselves up for games. He's come out and even said this during press conferences when questioned about "big games", etc. The college game relies far more on those intangibles -- tradition, emotion and more "external" motivation -- because you're dealing with teenagers / young adults. This is something KF just hasn't excelled at (at least publically).
On the other hand, I also sense KF is possibly just as re-energized by the staff shake up as the players are. His comments not only seem more enthusiastic but he also seems more willing to defer some control to GD to work a little magic with the players he has.
I can't get into speculating about individual player development, improvement and performance. I am expecting more overall improvement and productivity from the offense just based on being more willing to put them in better situations to maximize opportunities to succeed (i.e. better situational play calling, better adjustments, better game management).
JVB's comments are telling. For starters, KF tends to be very emotionally "hands-off". I attribute this to his NFL upbringing, where, the "rah-rah" is not as accepted by the pros because 1) they are men and 2) they are expected to get themselves up for games. He's come out and even said this during press conferences when questioned about "big games", etc. The college game relies far more on those intangibles -- tradition, emotion and more "external" motivation -- because you're dealing with teenagers / young adults. This is something KF just hasn't excelled at (at least publically).
On the other hand, I also sense KF is possibly just as re-energized by the staff shake up as the players are. His comments not only seem more enthusiastic but he also seems more willing to defer some control to GD to work a little magic with the players he has.
I can't get into speculating about individual player development, improvement and performance. I am expecting more overall improvement and productivity from the offense just based on being more willing to put them in better situations to maximize opportunities to succeed (i.e. better situational play calling, better adjustments, better game management).
DuffMan
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LOL this whole thing is rubbish. It's amazing what people see when they are looking for something...
Let's take a look at Iowa's QBs under KOK on the whole.
KOK took an unheralded Juco QB and helped him achieve what might be the greatest season by an Iowa QB ever. Brad Banks lead Iowa to an undefeated B10 season, an 11-1 regular season record, second place in the Heisman, and the AP player of the year. All this with a player who has a grand total of 9 carreer TD passes as a professional... in the CFL. That's pretty good there.
Next...
Nathan Chandler. KOK managed to get a productive season out of a QB that had an ugliest throwing motion of any QB I care to remember.
Next...
Drew Tate. He helped Drew Tate turn in an all big ten performance as a true sophmore... for a team with zero running game... You make the proposterous claim Tate did this on his own all out of pure talent. What talent? He was 5-10 in shoes and didn't get a sniff from any instate schools as a HS QB recruit. Tate has so much talent he's got 3 career professional starts in the CFL.
Tate improved from his sophmore year to his junior year in every single statistical category. His production fell slightly as a senior as he battled through injury and other issues (fat cats).
That doesn't look like regression to me. You can honestly argue that Tate finished his career as the second best QB in Iowa history.
Next...
KOK's only arguable whiff in this was Christiansen, although to be fair to KOK it's common knowledge that KOK pushed for Stanzi to play ahead of JC well before that actually happened.
Next...
With help from KOK Stanzi developed from an overlooked mid level QB prospect from Ohio, to a servicable QB as a sophmore, to a team leader who didn't lose a single game as a Junior, to having one of the best single seasons for an Iowa QB as a senior, to an NFL draft pick and roster. That is the very definition of development.
Next...
JVB was an unheralded Iowa QB prospect and last year he turned in what's probably the best season ever for a first year QB. Depending on what he does this year he might just be the 2nd consecutive Iowa starting QB to be drafted by the NFL.
That list, in it's entirety, is the very definition of QB development.
DuffMan
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LOL what statistics do you want?
Tate improved noticably between his sophmore and junior year.
Stanzi's statistics improved dramatically between his sophmore and junior year, and even further between his junior and senior year.
Outside of those guys no Iowa QB has started more than one season, and if you look at thier stats you'll find that Banks had one of the best statistical seasons ever as an Iowa QB, Chandlers stats were servicable despite having serious mechanical issues throwing the ball, and JVB just put up one of the better statistical season ever for a 1st year starting QB (trailing only Banks).
hogeye
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Whatever you claim make this argument clear cut, but since you can't provide them I'll accept that white flag.
Billso
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Severe abdominal (oblique) injury, undisclosed (but rumored) during season, confirmed after. He played in severe pain most of the year. Zero to do with QB coaching.
Billso
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All tripe, no statistics...you made a pretty confident statement about data backing it up.
I am not going to argue with you. Your own picture you've painted actually works against you, so we'll just disagree.
