I am convinced it's not the players

hawkeye12345

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It's the system.

And to be honest with you, I can't even tell you what the "system" is. This I do know. When you watch the players play they have a little more talent individually than most of us are giving them credit for. They seem to be held back with this stupid a$$ dribble around the perimeter, try and use a high screen, short pass, dribble more around the perimeter, shot clock running down, huck up a shot from beyond the arc and nobody is in position to get a good offensive rebound. Well, atleast nobody but Fuller.

We run a pick and roll but we never, and I mean never, give the ball to the rolling player. Kenyon Murray hit it on the nose when he said something along these lines, 'bigs in the Big10 have more athletic ability and are able to step out and defend this play'. I took away that this might work in the mid-major level, but not on the big stage night in and night out which I agree with.

This is league of athletic 6'9 and taller players - just like every other major conference.


And here is my final rant of the night:

For those of you that have the game on your DVR, go back and watch the first 5 minutes of the game and watch Lick. What do you see? You see a coach sitting on the bench with his head resting on the palm of his hand and his elbows on his knees, sitting. Almost not even interested in whats going on in the game. No enthusiasm, no emotion, just, ho hum, another college basketball game. How many D1 coaches do you know that show such a lack of emotion and interest in whats going on?
 
And here is my final rant of the night:

For those of you that have the game on your DVR, go back and watch the first 5 minutes of the game and watch Lick. What do you see? You see a coach sitting on the bench with his head resting on the palm of his hand and his elbows on his knees, sitting. Almost not even interested in whats going on in the game. No enthusiasm, no emotion, just, ho hum, another college basketball game. How many D1 coaches do you know that show such a lack of emotion and interest in whats going on?

Wrong. If you were at the game (maybe you were and didn't see the same thing as some that were there), you would have seen the fact that Lickliter was anything like what you have described.

Lickliter had the coat off less than 2 minutes into the game.

There were several times that Lickliter almost got T'ed up in this one too.

The TV doesn't show everything.

Lack of emotion is absolutely NOT what I would use to describe Lickliter.
 
Get your head out of the sand, we won. Enjoy it. Figure out the coaching controversy after the end of next season or whenever Barta drops the hammer. Until then your wasting your time.

And if our coach found a way to get the players to win with a "ho-hom" attitude, then what does that say about Penn St. coach? Programs go through droughts, we are not North Carolina. The rain will come though.
 
Wow. We have a bunch of freshmen and sophomores out there with two key guys either injured or suspended and you go off after a win. I just don't get it.

This team will improve this year and will be much better next year. How many wins? I don't know. I do know that Lickliter will be your coach this year and next year, so why not get behind him?
 
I'm quite sure that the U of I Athletic Department will accept resumes from some of you guys. Seriously. Get behind Lick and the Hawks or SHUT UP! They won for God's sake!!!
 
It's the system.




And here is my final rant of the night:

For those of you that have the game on your DVR, go back and watch the first 5 minutes of the game and watch Lick. What do you see? You see a coach sitting on the bench with his head resting on the palm of his hand and his elbows on his knees, sitting. Almost not even interested in whats going on in the game. No enthusiasm, no emotion, just, ho hum, another college basketball game. How many D1 coaches do you know that show such a lack of emotion and interest in whats going on?


You mean this guy
http://gazetteonline.com/files/2009...wa-Basketball-03_01_2008-19.43.25-211x300.jpg
or him
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nmLhgioHhBM/SEfy1l4-5gI/AAAAAAAAEYE/88_k8lTJb6I/s320/Toddlickliter+III.jpg
maybe him190/78788258.jpg.21815.0_feature.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1009/ncb_i_lickliter_600.jpg

For the record I did find some pix of him looking ****** also but they didn't help prove my point si I ignored them
 
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Wow. We have a bunch of freshmen and sophomores out there with two key guys either injured or suspended and you go off after a win. I just don't get it.

This team will improve this year and will be much better next year. How many wins? I don't know. I do know that Lickliter will be your coach this year and next year, so why not get behind him?

I'm quite sure that the U of I Athletic Department will accept resumes from some of you guys. Seriously. Get behind Lick and the Hawks or SHUT UP! They won for God's sake!!!

+1 for each of you
 
Wrong. If you were at the game (maybe you were and didn't see the same thing as some that were there), you would have seen the fact that Lickliter was anything like what you have described.

Lickliter had the coat off less than 2 minutes into the game.

There were several times that Lickliter almost got T'ed up in this one too.

The TV doesn't show everything.

Lack of emotion is absolutely NOT what I would use to describe Lickliter.

Exactly. There were several moments (observed by those of us who were at the game) where Lick was talking to the officials and pushing a "T"....because of the TERRIBLE officiating.
 
I would say Iowa got the best of the officiating last night. IF anyone wants to complain PSU should be complaining.

Some of you would complain about officiating every game and do. Iowa games are probably easiest for officials to call because Iowa slows the game down. Think about how you would complain if Iowa played like Kentucky or the elite teams with up tempo gamestyles. Refs probably enjoy officiating Iowa games--few if any fast breaks, little up tempo bb...

The best way to watch BB games are just to ignore the refs and enjoy the action. Everytime a ref calls a foul, he could realistically have called several fouls. What would fans like--a ref that calls all the fouls that he sees or those that might impact the game? I guess college BB could add another ref to the floor so that they don't miss all of those calls people complain about. Then the game would be slowed down and would be turned into a game of shooting freethrows. But I have heard the same complaints from some of you when refs call TOO many fouls.

The game is fast paced and it is a difficult job and the amazing thing is that in reruns almost all of the time, the refs are right. Refs can't win either way. But blaming refs is just excuses for the losing team most of the time.

Most fans ignore all the calls that go their way and only complain about the bad calls refs might make against their team. Typically after a game, most teams have an equal number of fouls...I think refs do a great job but then I don't pay much attention to them.

Besides fouls are usually a result of IFs, if the player had made the basket the foul would not be called on the ensuing play, and so on. There are all kinds of different factors that fans could complain about during games. Besides you will save yourself some high blood pressure readings but then you won't have any excuses will you...gotta blame somone so why not blame the refs, they are easy targets.
 
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I would say Iowa got the best of the officiating last night. IF anyone wants to complain PSU should be complaining.

Some of you would complain about officiating every game and do. Iowa games are probably easiest for officials to call because Iowa slows the game down. Think about how you would complain if Iowa played like Kentucky or the elite teams with up tempo gamestyles. Refs probably enjoy officiating Iowa games--few if any fast breaks, little up tempo bb...

The best way to watch BB games are just to ignore the refs and enjoy the action. Everytime a ref calls a foul, he could realistically have called several fouls. What would fans like--a ref that calls all the fouls that he sees or those that might impact the game? I guess college BB could add another ref to the floor so that they don't miss all of those calls people complain about. Then the game would be slowed down and would be turned into a game of shooting freethrows. But I have heard the same complaints from some of you when refs call TOO many fouls.

The game is fast paced and it is a difficult job and the amazing thing is that in reruns almost all of the time, the refs are right. Refs can't win either way. But blaming refs is just excuses for the losing team most of the time.

Most fans ignore all the calls that go their way and only complain about the bad calls refs might make against their team. Typically after a game, most teams have an equal number of fouls...I think refs do a great job but then I don't pay much attention to them.

Besides fouls are usually a result of IFs, if the player had made the basket the foul would not be called on the ensuing play, and so on. There are all kinds of different factors that fans could complain about during games. Besides you will save yourself some high blood pressure readings but then you won't have any excuses will you...gotta blame somone so why not blame the refs, they are easy targets.

I haven't seen many posts by fans complaining about the refs yesterday? If you can't find something to complain about Lick or the players, you start to complain about the fans? Come on NewMex......I have come to expect more from you when it comes to criticism!!!
 
You mean this guy
http://gazetteonline.com/files/2009...wa-Basketball-03_01_2008-19.43.25-211x300.jpg
or him
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nmLhgioHhBM/SEfy1l4-5gI/AAAAAAAAEYE/88_k8lTJb6I/s320/Toddlickliter+III.jpg
maybe him190/78788258.jpg.21815.0_feature.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1009/ncb_i_lickliter_600.jpg

For the record I did find some pix of him looking ****** also but they didn't help prove my point si I ignored them

Where all those pics from yesterday's game, or did Lick change his shirt???

And to get back to the point of the original poster. It is not the system. I think it is more due to the lack of depth and experience. Iowa can play with most anyone in the conference in stretches, but then they tend to fall off when the get tired. This will improve exponentially next year as Iowa will be fairly deep. Let's assume nobody leaves:

Roster:
Payne
Gatens
May
Fuller
Cole
Cougill
Tucker???
Archie
Brust
Marble
McCabe
Larson
K. Williams???

I didn't include J. Lickliter because I think his playing time will be limited next season. This team will be better because they will have another year of experience. There will be some solid depth, which means you better bust your butt in practice or you will not play. The best players will rise to the top! The underclassmen will learn from the upperclassmen. I have know idea if anyone is leaving, like I have seen rumored on here. I hope not, because I think this team will make the NCAA tournament at the end of Lick's 5th year if they stick together. I like every piece of next year's team. They just need to learn how to play together. Something I think this year's team is slowly learning!
 
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I'm convinced it is the coach that won this game and not the players. (sarcasm) The coach is only to blame if things go wrong. Why can't people enjoy a win? This is funny to read how depressed some people are. I dvr'd the game and watched it recalling Lickliter out at half court after a goaltending wasn't called. That was a horrible call. It seems like he showed some emotion. Coaching with emotion isn't always the best in every situation. Although I would agree that I would rather see more emotion then less.
 
The officiating wasn't great either way.

PSU got away with some walks, some fouls, a goaltending, and didn't get T'ed up when Talor Battle called for a timeout when they had none at the end of the game.

Iowa was bailed out with some palming, some fouls, and should have gotten a 5 second call late in the game if it weren't for a clock malfunction.

I think it was an ok to below average officiated game, but neither team got the better end of it, in my opinion.
 
I am curious, spank. What was the clock malfunction play you mention in your post? Iowa did the play where the inbounding player throws to another player out of bounds. Someone at the scorer's table started the clock erroneously. I still think Iowa got the ball inbounds within 5 seconds. Then, the refs stopped the play because someone noticed the clock started on the 1st pass. Did I miss something? Again, just curious.

I agree with your overall point that the refs calls were not a benefit to either team.
 
That's the play I was talking about. I don't remember it very well, I just recall that DeChelis and his assistants were not happy about it. It was the play with under 10 seconds to go or so, IIRC. I haven't watched the game on TV yet.
 
Right Spank, the officiating was so-so, not slanted either way. But you forgot about mentioning when the officials couldn't decide which of the Iowa players on the court with the number "5" on their backs was responsible for a foul.

Lickliter has a dry sense of humor and does not have an excitable personality; I don't understand why that is seen as a personality flaw or a reflection of his ability to coach or interest in the game.
 
Got it. Thanks. I was curious how the other play I mentioned was received at the arena. I know things are missed on TV. As an example, not much was made on TV of the play with under 10 seconds you mentioned as I recall. Are you going to the rest of the Hawkeye games this season? I think it was shown that you being there made a difference. :)
 
The officiating wasn't great either way.

PSU got away with some walks, some fouls, a goaltending, and didn't get T'ed up when Talor Battle called for a timeout when they had none at the end of the game.

Iowa was bailed out with some palming, some fouls, and should have gotten a 5 second call late in the game if it weren't for a clock malfunction.

I think it was an ok to below average officiated game, but neither team got the better end of it, in my opinion.

You failed to mention the charge called on Battle (?) where the basket was still awarded. The ball was nowhere near out of his hands when he plowed into the Iowa player.

Still, I agree with you: average to below average officiating (hey, at least we didn't have Fast Eddie), but neither team really got the benefit.
 

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