Huskers' Mo Washington

Its attacking college football and trying to get their players....and of course they've always going to lose their top draws to the NFL once they hit the 3 years out of high school NFL draft limit.
The NFL would never take a player from the XFL (or any other league) who hadn't played NCAA ball.

They'd have zero useful evaluation, and any player worth a shit knows they won't take someone without college experience...so they will elect to play college football if they have hopes of making the NFL someday.

There's too much of a talent gap between high school and the pros. For example, do you think three years in the XFL can do for a player what a P5 strength and conditioning coach can do? No chance. Or can the XFL develop a high school player's technical skill like a P5 football program? Again, not a chance. The coaches in P5/NFL make millions of dollars and their facilities are light years ahead of what even the biggest XFL team could even dream of affording.

Baseball and basketball are two sports where high schoolers can and do (in baseball) slide right into the pro game and thrive. Basketball players would as well if they were allowed to.

There's way too much physical and skill development that takes place between high school and the NFL for anyone to be able to make that transition without a major college program in between.
 
There's way too much physical and skill development that takes place between high school and the NFL for anyone to be able to make that transition without a major college program in between.

Agreed. No way the XFL will have the facilities the NCAA programs have. Furthermore, I would be leery of going to XFL if I were an athlete because odds are the league won't last 3 years. The reason the collegiate game works and makes money is because of the decades of brand loyalty to the programs. Even if you take out all the 5 stars and send them to XFL, college football won't take a hit because the goodwill in the brands is way too strong.
 
The NFL would never take a player from the XFL (or any other league) who hadn't played NCAA ball.

They'd have zero useful evaluation, and any player worth a shit knows they won't take someone without college experience...so they will elect to play college football if they have hopes of making the NFL someday.

There's too much of a talent gap between high school and the pros. For example, do you think three years in the XFL can do for a player what a P5 strength and conditioning coach can do? No chance. Or can the XFL develop a high school player's technical skill like a P5 football program? Again, not a chance. The coaches in P5/NFL make millions of dollars and their facilities are light years ahead of what even the biggest XFL team could even dream of affording.

Baseball and basketball are two sports where high schoolers can and do (in baseball) slide right into the pro game and thrive. Basketball players would as well if they were allowed to.

There's way too much physical and skill development that takes place between high school and the NFL for anyone to be able to make that transition without a major college program in between.

All I said was it gives players an option to earn money. I didn't say it was a better prep for the NFL. I was only complementing them on attacking a sport that can be beaten, college football.

If the NFL wasn't so powerful and didn't choose to work in partnership with college football, it would already be under siege from the NFL for the last decade+

Keep in mind, everything you just said about college football could have been said about college basketball 25 years ago. But the NBA doesn't give a shit about college basketball and the sport is nowhere near where it used to be. Now you have high school players skipping college even though they can't get drafted for another year.
 
All I said was it gives players an option to earn money. I didn't say it was a better prep for the NFL.
But you said this: ...of course they've always going to lose their top draws to the NFL once they hit the 3 years out of high school NFL draft limit.

That is wrong. There is zero chance that an NFL team would take someone on who had never played collegiate football. It just will not happen. The talent gap and physicality gap is too much.

I was only complementing them on attacking a sport that can be beaten, college football.
College football cannot be beaten with respect to being the funnel for NFL players. The sports that survive are the ones that make the money, period. College football has the most dedicated fan base in sports with traditions going back well over a century. There are 69 P5 teams that provide almost all NFL players. The facilities, coaching salaries, TV viewership ad revenue, ticket and marketing sales are in the tens of billions of dollars. Nothing, not the XFL nor any other league, is ever going to replace that when it comes to football. The sport will die out because of head injuries and waning participation numbers long before anything else comes along to dethrone the NCAA as a feeder.

If the NFL wasn't so powerful and didn't choose to work in partnership with college football, it would already be under siege from the NFL for the last decade+
The NFL works closely with college football because it has to. There are zero high school seniors on this planet who are ready or able to play in the NFL. None. So that leaves someplace where they have to go while their bodies finish growing, while they strength and agility train, and learn how to play football at the NFL level.

You have suggested that an accessory league where players could get paid would be an attractive alternative for these high school kids to play until they are old enough. But what you're ignoring is the development they get while at a P5 school. Look, in the NFL almost every starting receiver or running back is what would be considered a world class sprinter. And they have to be able to catch and run with a ball, and be big and strong enough to absorb repeated hits from 250 lb NFL linebackers. Offensive and Defensive lineman have to be some of the largest and strongest humans on the planet. Quarterbacks have to have split second decision-making, accuracy, and arm strength. You could go on and on about any position...ALL players have to have ridiculous amounts of football knowledge and experience, the ability to quickly learn entire playbooks inside and out, and even the absolute best college players say all the time how the most difficult thing to adapt to in the NFL is the speed of the game and how difficult it is to transition. No one in the modern era of football has ever come out of high school ready for that.

How do those players get to that point then? They spend 3-4 years in P5 football programs. With world class coaches in world class facilities micromanaging every part of their lives from every structured workout, practice, and team meeting down to the last calorie of their diets. College football go to that point over a 100+ year period from the billions and billions of dollars coming in from all directions and the rabid fanbases that aren't willing to give their fandom up. You think some other league is going to somehow lure the Chris Doyles and Dabo Swinneys away somehow when they already make probably 10 times what their counterparts would each year and fans worship the ground they walk on? Do XFL teams even have strength training staffs? Serious question. Bottom line is it's not going to happen.

Keep in mind, everything you just said about college football could have been said about college basketball 25 years ago. But the NBA doesn't give a shit about college basketball and the sport is nowhere near where it used to be. Now you have high school players skipping college even though they can't get drafted for another year.
Again, professional basketball is a sport that's playable by certain people coming out of high school. It's been done over and over. Professional baseball's best players never went to college. Those two sports don't require that you're an almost super human athlete to even have a chance of playing, and they're about 1% as complex as football.

Football is not a sport where that's possible. It takes 3-4 years of growth, and 3-4 years of the best coaching and strength training in the world to do it. The barriers of entry are too high for anything else to come along.
 
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The XFL will never replace the NCAA for funneling players to the NFL, but, if it sticks around, there will be a handful of players each year who will be snatched up by NFL teams after proving themselves in the XFL. Tommy Maddox is an example from the old XFL.

It can essentially be a second-chance league for guys to make a mark and impress NFL scouts.
 
But you said this: ...of course they've always going to lose their top draws to the NFL once they hit the 3 years out of high school NFL draft limit.

That is wrong. There is zero chance that an NFL team would take someone on who had never played collegiate football. It just will not happen. The talent gap and physicality gap is too much.

College football cannot be beaten with respect to being the funnel for NFL players. The sports that survive are the ones that make the money, period. College football has the most dedicated fan base in sports with traditions going back well over a century. There are 69 P5 teams that provide almost all NFL players. The facilities, coaching salaries, TV viewership ad revenue, ticket and marketing sales are in the tens of billions of dollars. Nothing, not the XFL nor any other league, is ever going to replace that when it comes to football. The sport will die out because of head injuries and waning participation numbers long before anything else comes along to dethrone the NCAA as a feeder.

The NFL works closely with college football because it has to. There are zero high school seniors on this planet who are ready or able to play in the NFL. None. So that leaves someplace where they have to go while their bodies finish growing, while they strength and agility train, and learn how to play football at the NFL level.

You have suggested that an accessory league where players could get paid would be an attractive alternative for these high school kids to play until they are old enough. But what you're ignoring is the development they get while at a P5 school. Look, in the NFL almost every starting receiver or running back is what would be considered a world class sprinter. And they have to be able to catch and run with a ball, and be big and strong enough to absorb repeated hits from 250 lb NFL linebackers. Offensive and Defensive lineman have to be some of the largest and strongest humans on the planet. Quarterbacks have to have split second decision-making, accuracy, and arm strength. You could go on and on about any position...ALL players have to have ridiculous amounts of football knowledge and experience, the ability to quickly learn entire playbooks inside and out, and even the absolute best college players say all the time how the most difficult thing to adapt to in the NFL is the speed of the game and how difficult it is to transition. No one in the modern era of football has ever come out of high school ready for that.

How do those players get to that point then? They spend 3-4 years in P5 football programs. With world class coaches in world class facilities micromanaging every part of their lives from every structured workout, practice, and team meeting down to the last calorie of their diets. College football go to that point over a 100+ year period from the billions and billions of dollars coming in from all directions and the rabid fanbases that aren't willing to give their fandom up. You think some other league is going to somehow lure the Chris Doyles and Dabo Swinneys away somehow when they already make probably 10 times what their counterparts would each year and fans worship the ground they walk on? Do XFL teams even have strength training staffs? Serious question. Bottom line is it's not going to happen.

Again, professional basketball is a sport that's playable by certain people coming out of high school. It's been done over and over. Professional baseball's best players never went to college. Those two sports don't require that you're an almost super human athlete to even have a chance of playing, and they're about 1% as complex as football.

Football is not a sport where that's possible. It takes 3-4 years of growth, and 3-4 years of the best coaching and strength training in the world to do it. The barriers of entry are too high for anything else to come along.

Go back to my original post. I said the XFL is destined to fail. Mainly for the reasons you pointed out. But you could have summed all those reasons up with, "not enough money". So we agree on a lot of this. I simply stated attacking college football is a better idea than trying to compete with the NFL.

Shit NCAA athletes are attacking the unfairness of NCAA. Even guys like JB who aren't going to have professional futures in the USA.

Where we don't agree is this:

If the NFL started a minor league system tomorrow, the top 1/3 of the college players would be gone by this Saturday. If you don't think that would have a major effect on the quality of college football and its place in the heirachy of sports, we'll have to agree to disagree.

On the flip, there is nothing, not a single thing college football could ever do that would even cause a blip on the NFL's radar. College football is a mega power because the NFL wants a free minor league system so the NFL allows it to be as is.

The NFL doesn't have to work with anyone. At any point they want, start a minor league. Cities would line up to host franchises and they would print money. They are so ridiculously powerful they have somehow managed to have their age discrimination policy win in a court of law. They've even managed to negotiate a TV contract if which the owners get paid broadcast rights even if the players strike and no games are actually televised. That's why the players can't strike. They have no leverage.

The NFL is getting younger every year. Guys are graduating HS early so they can get to the NFL faster. At any point the NFL wants, they could lower the age limit to 2 years out of high school and you'd see SO's leaving just like JRs do know. The best would go, the rest would stay. And every year the talent gets watered down a little bit (just like what happened to basketball) and guys that would have been fringe 1st rounders 5 years ago are now top 10 picks.
 
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If the NFL started a minor league system tomorrow, the top 1/3 of the college players would be gone by this Saturday. If you don't think that would have a major effect on the quality of college football and its place in the heirachy of sports, we'll have to agree to disagree.
No way.

Who are you going to get to coach it and train players? There's a reason those top 1/3 of the college players got that good in the first place.

You think good coaches and staff are gonna come bust down the doors when they already make waaaaay more than their NFL counterparts? Pat Fitzgerald of all people makes more per year than the lowest-paid NFL coach. In fact, as of last month there are 37 college head coaches making more than the lowest paid NFL coach. Are you going to find people to turn those minor leaguers into JJ Watt sized physiques? No, you're going to get a bunch of MAC and C-USA flunkies working for $500,000 a year. The NFL needs college ball more than the NCAA needs pro ball.
 
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Sorry to bump this but watching Debbie game in hopes they lose. The announcer talking about SF high level of standards and why Mo isn’t currently worth the team had me busting up.

Do the BTN and Fox really need to suck Lil Debbie up and down? Dude has zero standards and is win at all costs w no regard for character. Spin the narrative a little more BTN, goodness
 
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Rumor has it that Mark Dantonio is recruiting him hard.

Rumor has it that Mark Dantonio is recruiting him hard.
Does he play volleyball?

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It's all to help the kids.

Frosty:
"I wish things would be a little different," Frost said. "Coach (Tom) Osborne was this way. He wasn't quick to crumble up kids and throw them away. Some of the kids who are in those situations, if they go out of this program, that road doesn't lead to very many good places. As long as I'm here, I'm going to try to help these young men as much as I can. That's the promise I make when I sit in their living room and try to help them no matter what. There are certain things they know if they do, I'm not going to help them and they're on their own. I want what's best for all these guys and we're going to try to continue to help them when they can be helped. There always comes a point where you have to throw up your hands and say 'we tried,' but until then, we want to do what's right by them. I think that's the right thing to do.

"We certainly tried to do everything we could for Mo, and hopefully it works out."


commendable, and a lot ot ask of a HC. Lot of risk. I think KF steers clear of kids from high risk environments. Lots of kids on the Iowa roster from private schools if you take a look, not from the rough inner city.
 
The NFL would never take a player from the XFL (or any other league) who hadn't played NCAA ball.

They'd have zero useful evaluation, and any player worth a shit knows they won't take someone without college experience...so they will elect to play college football if they have hopes of making the NFL someday.

There's too much of a talent gap between high school and the pros. For example, do you think three years in the XFL can do for a player what a P5 strength and conditioning coach can do? No chance. Or can the XFL develop a high school player's technical skill like a P5 football program? Again, not a chance. The coaches in P5/NFL make millions of dollars and their facilities are light years ahead of what even the biggest XFL team could even dream of affording.

Baseball and basketball are two sports where high schoolers can and do (in baseball) slide right into the pro game and thrive. Basketball players would as well if they were allowed to.

There's way too much physical and skill development that takes place between high school and the NFL for anyone to be able to make that transition without a major college program in between.
As a whole yeah your absolutely right. But there could be an exception. If a kid is a physical freak and is a project I could see it happen. A few yrs ago the 49ers brought in a rugby player from Australia with no formal football backround at all. He was like a RB/kick returner is what they tried to use him as. Think he was on team 2 yrs never really did much of anything. So never say never. It's kinda position sensitive obviously. I doubt a QB could every even come close to doing it. A lineman eh maybe. But not enough guys ever could for it to become a topic though
 
commendable, and a lot ot ask of a HC. Lot of risk. I think KF steers clear of kids from high risk environments. Lots of kids on the Iowa roster from private schools if you take a look, not from the rough inner city.
I think Kirk got burned by some "higher risk" guys in the past - such as Douglas, Nelson, Everson - and doesn't need the that anymore. The issue is when do second chances become third chances become fourth chances. And, my guess is that it can become a sliding scale, depending on worth of the individual to the success of the team. That can end up being a separate problem for the team, particularly when the team isn't winning national championships.
 
I really believe Frost, Bill Moos, and even Nebraska fans are in 100% win at all costs mode now. They will turn a blind eye and look the other way as much as possible. Hopefully bringing in all these toxic individuals backfires on them and they have a few more losing seasons and Frost gets fired.
 
As a whole yeah your absolutely right. But there could be an exception. If a kid is a physical freak and is a project I could see it happen. A few yrs ago the 49ers brought in a rugby player from Australia with no formal football backround at all. He was like a RB/kick returner is what they tried to use him as. Think he was on team 2 yrs never really did much of anything. So never say never. It's kinda position sensitive obviously. I doubt a QB could every even come close to doing it. A lineman eh maybe. But not enough guys ever could for it to become a topic though
they also did that with a studd rugby guy from England or somewhere in europe that was just a freak athlete. he was on the practice squad for like 2-3 years, ended up with the seahawks for like a couple months and then was gone. never saw a down.
 

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