HawkPhreek
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Heat don't repeat everything broke right this year for them to make it.
Howard to LA
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herkyattack
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Not sure I agree with this. I am a self-proclaimed Heat/Lebron hater, but they only got better this offseason. Their nucleus of Chalmers, Ray Allen, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, and Rashard Lewis is hands down the best in the NBA.
The heat still have zero true post players. Basically the heat are a 3 point shot team, which the saying goes, you live by the 3 and die ny the 3. The lakers imo have just become the best all around team in the nba. true point gaurd, best SG in Kobe (he is the best at his position), defensive SF in World Peace (Artest) and two twin towers down low. Honestly the lakers create a ton of mismatches for any team. Favorite in the west hands down, and could give heat some serious problems.
ibahawkeye
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No... Lebeon finally figured out he needs to attack relentlessly and him and wade did that last year and it worked out well.
busabus114
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hahaha...guilty on both charges
bighawkeyedaddy
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The Lakers won't even make it out of the west. Kobe is old, Nash is old, and Howard is the most overrated player in the NBA. Do you really think there will be harmony with Nash and Kobe both needing the ball in their hands most of the time in order to be effective? You think Kobe is going to be content being a 3rd option? Not to mention Nash is going to be schooled with his poor defense.
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HawkeyeMike23
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LOL. Yes having a crippled Mike Miller, banged up Wade and injured Chris Bosh was a series of lucky breaks for Miami. Miami won because LeBron realized he's the best player in the league and it's not that close. When you have a guy who can throw up 40/18/9 or 45/15's anytime you face a must win game, you're going to be hard to beat. LeBron's been playing the same way in the Olympics too, and I don't see this changing next year.
Combine that with a healthy Wade and Bosh, plus Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis and the Heat will have even more shooters. Miami figured out their identity in the playoffs and they're going to run off a string of titles here.
Howard is a huge get for the Lakers on defense. He will be able to clean up a lot of mistakes and with Nash out there, there will be a lot of defensive lapses.
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OatesStache
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There is quite a bit wrong with this. For one, you clearly don't need post scorers to win in the NBA. Post defenders yes, but not post scorers. Miami and OKC have the latter, which makes them effective, and will make them effective against the new Lakers.
Kobe is not the best SG in the NBA. That's just absurd. Artest is not the best defensive SF by a long shot.
The Thunder are still going to be the favorites in the West. They are younger, they have better top line talent, they are deeper, and they are much better coached.
Blackhawk33
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As a long time Nash fan, this is very good news. Howard to L.A. is just what they needed to make them front runners for the title. Howard may seem overrated now, but the Nash factor is going to boost his stats big time. Unless, of course, Kobe ball-hogs all year long.
herkyattack
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Can you imagine what the WCF is going to be like if it's LA vs OKC? Westbrook may have an absolute field day against Nash.
storminspank
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OKC is still the best in the West.
HawkeyeMike23
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Agreed. Dwight will have ample opportunities for block all season long as pg's continually blow by Nash.
DexterMorgan
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While they certainly could be I think this goes a long way in improving the Lakers defense. Nash is still going to get torched by Westbrook but now they've got Howard as that second line of defense. I'm not sure Westbrook is a good enough passer to take advantage of Howard helping. We'll see, definitely should be interesting to see who gets to lose to Miami in the finals next year
howdydodat
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I despise the Lakers and all of these super teams but the people writing off the Lakers can't be serious.
Andrew Bynum, Troy Murphy
Pau Gasol, Josh McRoberts
Ron Artest, Matt Barnes
Kobe Bryant, Andrew Goudelock
Steve Blake, Derek Fisher
That was their roster just about the entire season until they traded for Ramon Sessions and Jordan Hill. They managed to finish 3rd in the West.
Now look at their roster...
Dwight Howard, Jordan Hill
Pau Gasol, Antawn Jamison, Josh McRoberts
Ron Artest
Kobe Bryant, Andrew Goudelock
Steve Nash, Steve Blake
Dwight Howard >>> Andrew Bynum
Steve Nash >>> Ramon Sessions, Derek Fisher
Antawn Jamison >>> anyone they lost
Bynum may be the 2nd best center behind Howard but if Howard is healthy, Bynum is way behind. Being the second best doesn't mean much when it's behind someone like Dwight Howard or Lebron James. Guys like that are just physically superior.
Steve Nash's numbers have gone down but look at the team he was playing with. The Suns roster was atrocious and of course his scoring went down seeing as he was the only person worth guarding.
Antawn Jamison averaged 17.2pts, 6.3rebs and 2.0asts last year. The addition of him off the bench speaks for itself.
Feel free to write the Lakers off because of their age but I wouldn't. Howard, Gasol and Artest aren't exactly geezers. Kobe doesn't play like one. All Nash has to do is distribute the ball and take open 3's... seems simple enough. If Chalmers could fill that role on the Heat, Nash can fill that role with the Lakers.
Andrew Bynum, Troy Murphy
Pau Gasol, Josh McRoberts
Ron Artest, Matt Barnes
Kobe Bryant, Andrew Goudelock
Steve Blake, Derek Fisher
That was their roster just about the entire season until they traded for Ramon Sessions and Jordan Hill. They managed to finish 3rd in the West.
Now look at their roster...
Dwight Howard, Jordan Hill
Pau Gasol, Antawn Jamison, Josh McRoberts
Ron Artest
Kobe Bryant, Andrew Goudelock
Steve Nash, Steve Blake
Dwight Howard >>> Andrew Bynum
Steve Nash >>> Ramon Sessions, Derek Fisher
Antawn Jamison >>> anyone they lost
Bynum may be the 2nd best center behind Howard but if Howard is healthy, Bynum is way behind. Being the second best doesn't mean much when it's behind someone like Dwight Howard or Lebron James. Guys like that are just physically superior.
Steve Nash's numbers have gone down but look at the team he was playing with. The Suns roster was atrocious and of course his scoring went down seeing as he was the only person worth guarding.
Antawn Jamison averaged 17.2pts, 6.3rebs and 2.0asts last year. The addition of him off the bench speaks for itself.
Feel free to write the Lakers off because of their age but I wouldn't. Howard, Gasol and Artest aren't exactly geezers. Kobe doesn't play like one. All Nash has to do is distribute the ball and take open 3's... seems simple enough. If Chalmers could fill that role on the Heat, Nash can fill that role with the Lakers.
ThunderHawk
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Miami v. LA is gonna be a hell of a Finals next season.
herkyattack
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Kobe doesn't play like a geezer? Kobe's days as the best shooting guard in the NBA are over. He is nothing more than a chucker and volume shooter at this point in his career. His assist rate has declined each of the past three years and his turnover rate has increased. He took 23 shots per game last year and had the highest usage rate in the NBA by a very wide margin. Not to mention the worst shooting season in over a decade.
Howard improves the Lakers from a defensive and rebounding perspective, but his value offensively is largely overrated. Bynum was a much more efficient scorer than Howard last year. When Howard is healthy, he is still no better offensively than Bynum.
Howard improves the Lakers from a defensive and rebounding perspective, but his value offensively is largely overrated. Bynum was a much more efficient scorer than Howard last year. When Howard is healthy, he is still no better offensively than Bynum.
1st, look at the Olympics right now. OKC has three superstars, I'm counting Harden. And you throw in Ibaka. Let's not write them off just yet. They are so young and are going to be scary good.
2nd, yes the lakers are going to be tough. The big three trend has bitten LA, and I'm very skeptical of their collection. Nash is 38 years old and still good, 38. Kobe is top 10 players in the league, and even if he really isn't (fallen off with age), he thinks he is. He has the confidence to do anything he wants. And then you have Howard.
DH is top 2 mod talented players in the NBA to me. But I think he is seriously overrated. Would I build my team around him? Yes in a heart beat. But the guy really bothers me. He doesn't dominate like he should, he hasn't shown that much offensive development, and he seems like one of the worst teammates of all time.
Now I'm nitpicking. But there are some things about his team, especially Howard, that really bother me. They also could be good enough to win the title too, idk
2nd, yes the lakers are going to be tough. The big three trend has bitten LA, and I'm very skeptical of their collection. Nash is 38 years old and still good, 38. Kobe is top 10 players in the league, and even if he really isn't (fallen off with age), he thinks he is. He has the confidence to do anything he wants. And then you have Howard.
DH is top 2 mod talented players in the NBA to me. But I think he is seriously overrated. Would I build my team around him? Yes in a heart beat. But the guy really bothers me. He doesn't dominate like he should, he hasn't shown that much offensive development, and he seems like one of the worst teammates of all time.
Now I'm nitpicking. But there are some things about his team, especially Howard, that really bother me. They also could be good enough to win the title too, idk
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Scorpio79
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as long as teh mike brown is coach of the lakers, they ain't winning a championship
