Maybe 19 at best? Same for D. Marble. I will say with no embarrassment that at that age I was not ready for prime time in any area of life. The job of a college basketball coach is to take young kids and turn them into consistent, mature players like Jarryd Cole. This does not happen overnight. I believe that we have a talented coach who has selected diamonds in the rough and will turn them into good players. This goes for Mel, McCabe, Marble, and White. Not to mention Josh Oglesby, who to me looks like a more skilled offensive player than Matt Gatens in his first year. He shoots the 3 well, makes the shot fake and hits medium range jumpers, and has some nice moves along the baseline to his credit. We are stuck with these guys and commited to them at least in my case and I am willing to trust Fran's judgment that they can be trained to get the job done given time.