How much of the success of the early Ferentz years (02,03,04) can be attributed to

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How much of the success of the early Kirk Ferentz years can be attributed to players recruited by Hayden Fry, his staff, or assistants that left Iowa after 2002?

I would say a lot. The first players that come to mind are the 2002 offensive line.

And can anyone imagine what the 2003 season would have been like without Ramone Achoa? He was recruited out of California by Chuck Long.
 
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MrTHawk said:
How much of the success of the early Kirk Ferentz years can be attributed to players recruited by Hayden Fry, his staff, or assistants that left Iowa after 2002?

I would say a lot. The first players that come to mind are the 2002 offensive line.

And can anyone imagine what the 2003 season would have been like without Ramone Achoa? He was recruited out of California by Chuck Long.
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Umm so yeah... Clark, greenway, hodge, banks, sanders, mo brown, cj jones, Scott chandler, Roth, Hinkel, Tate,Solomon, ridiculous amount of offensive lineman. Shall I proceed?
 
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Thanks Greenhawk, but you aren't really answering the question.

If we are going to point to the 02-04 run as a highlight of the Ferentz era, then it's fair to ask, who recruited the players that comprised those teams.
 
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Two words.


Bob Sanders.
 
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To answer your question, I would say none. If you look at the document, Coach Ferentz started in 1999. By 2002, most of the players that were recruited by Coach Fry's regime would have been seniors or graduated. I don't believe Coach Ferentz has become less of a coach during his tenure. We had a very good run and didn't maintain that momentum.
 

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Bret Beliema and Joe Philbon?
 
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MrTHawk said:
How much of the success of the early Kirk Ferentz years can be attributed to players recruited by Hayden Fry, his staff, or assistants that left Iowa after 2002?

I would say a lot. The first players that come to mind are the 2002 offensive line.

And can anyone imagine what the 2003 season would have been like without Ramone Achoa? He was recruited out of California by Chuck Long.
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Fry had several good players on that team - Dallas Clark was a walk on linebacker (fry) converted to TE by Ferentz. There were also a smattering of players that were quality.

But come on man. Why take away from Ferentz? It's not like he's drug the program thru the mire.
 
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the players left over from fry, not a lot. The cupboards were pretty bare when ferentz got here if I recall plus ferentz did quite a bit of house cleaning.
 
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Are we really going to try and discredit KF success. lol
 
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I've wondered the same thing before, but yeah, it sounds like the vast majority of players on those 2002-04 teams were recruited during the Ferentz era. I suppose there could have been a few Fry seniors on the 2002 team, but 2003-04, mathematically speaking, I guess would had to have been KF's recruits (or his assistants).

I'm thinking more and more that losing good assistants and not replacing them with quality has been the biggest reason why Iowa didn't sustain the momentum it had in the early to mid 2000's.

Fry had a great decade in the 80's through early 90's, I'm sure in no small part due to his entire coaching staff. We could probably say the same for KF.
 
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I agree 77, KF has not done well In hiring some of his Assts. the second and third go around
 
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eveningnewsteam said:
Yep. Bielema, Philbin and Aiken.
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This is the correct answer. Bielema recruited Florida. Cj Jones, Abdul Hodge, Fred Barr, Mo Brown, Antwan Allen, etc. Recruiting has not been the same since Bielema left.
 
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If i am not mistaken Long and BB were the only holdovers from the Fry staff. The rest of the staff KF brought in. Kyle McCann and maybe 6-10 other guys helped in the transition, but it wasn't a lot. I am with Lasbur/Ankle and others KF deserves a lot of credit for the 02-04 success........ you can't take that away from him.
 
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So you are suggesting that if Hayden never retires, we go on that run? No.

They lost all those games in 1999 and 2000 for a reason...the cupboard was bare.
 
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This is a joke, right?

Even analyst & announcers state the shelves were bare at that point in Iowa football.
 
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But guys, don't you realize Ferentz has never been good at any point in his tenure????????
 
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enmaster said:
But guys, don't you realize Ferentz has never been good at any point in his tenure????????
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It's his overall body of work at this point.

The sun shines on a dog's azz every once-in-awhile! ;)
 
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MelroseHawkins said:
This is a joke, right?

Even analyst & announcers state the shelves were bare at that point in Iowa football.
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Yep. Have we all forgotten how bad that 1999 team really was? 1-10, winless in the conference.

KF and the staff he brought with him deserve full credit for building the program again and turning in those Top 10 finishes from 2002-04.
 
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JHHawk said:
So you are suggesting that if Hayden never retires, we go on that run? No.

They lost all those games in 1999 and 2000 for a reason...the cupboard was bare.
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That cupboard is gonna look like a hoarder's cupboard in 2020 when Ferentz completes operation Live Aid, named because the cupboard by then will be more barren than a peasant Ethiopian's cupboard in the weeks before "We Are The World" was produced. Still about a half a decade left on the contract and we're already starting freshmen out of West Branch. It ain't gonna be pretty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BNoNFKCBI
 
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