How many early NFL entrants have signed an agent?

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uihawk82

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Is it still the case that a player can say they elect to pursue the NFL and make themselves eligible for the NFL combine, pro days, etc but opt out later if they have not signed with an agent?

If so, have Hooker, Fant, A Nelson, and maybe Hock signed with agents?
 
Cyhawk said:
What is the secret with Hock, In or Out
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Still probably out, but the fact that he's taken so long to announce has people thinking.

I'm wondering if he's starting to see this year's TE class as crowded. As of right now, declared players include Fant, Sternberger from A&M, Smith from Bama, the UCLA guy, the Stanford guy, and probably another one or two I'm forgetting. Couple all that talent with the necessary needs and fits for the NFL teams, and there's a chance that someone really talented could be left out in the cold of rounds 4-7. I think TJ is a competitive guy and I doubt he'd back down, but there might be something to be said about waiting one more year and becoming the hot TE of the draft instead of one of many.
 
I thought that, unlike basketball, once a football declared draft availability there was no turning back. Whether they have signed with an agent or not. That's why they listen carefully to their evaluations, among other things, before making their decision.
 
BVHawk95 said:
Still probably out, but the fact that he's taken so long to announce has people thinking.

I'm wondering if he's starting to see this year's TE class as crowded. As of right now, declared players include Fant, Sternberger from A&M, Smith from Bama, the UCLA guy, the Stanford guy, and probably another one or two I'm forgetting. Couple all that talent with the necessary needs and fits for the NFL teams, and there's a chance that someone really talented could be left out in the cold of rounds 4-7. I think TJ is a competitive guy and I doubt he'd back down, but there might be something to be said about waiting one more year and becoming the hot TE of the draft instead of one of many.
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I know exactly what you're saying but I am hearing a buzz that he is the top tight end prospect regardless of the competition. I though I saw a tweet on these boards from a draft expert rating his combination of catching and blocking skills, along with his speed, as the top of the charts.

Either way, Monday is the point of no return. And it sounds like he is agonizing over the decision. They mentioned in the bowl game how he was turning off phones and trying to "sleep through the static".
 
uihawk82 said:
Is it still the case that a player can say they elect to pursue the NFL and make themselves eligible for the NFL combine, pro days, etc but opt out later if they have not signed with an agent?

If so, have Hooker, Fant, A Nelson, and maybe Hock signed with agents?
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I could be mixed up, but I always thought that was a basketball thing for NCAA players wantung to test the level of NBA interest.

I never heard that football had the same deal. Once you officially declare for NFL draft, your college career is over, I believe.
 
BVHawk95 said:
Still probably out, but the fact that he's taken so long to announce has people thinking.

I'm wondering if he's starting to see this year's TE class as crowded. As of right now, declared players include Fant, Sternberger from A&M, Smith from Bama, the UCLA guy, the Stanford guy, and probably another one or two I'm forgetting. Couple all that talent with the necessary needs and fits for the NFL teams, and there's a chance that someone really talented could be left out in the cold of rounds 4-7. I think TJ is a competitive guy and I doubt he'd back down, but there might be something to be said about waiting one more year and becoming the hot TE of the draft instead of one of many.
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I've watched a fair amount of Bama and A&M, and I think Hock is going to be the best TE out of all the guys eligible this year. He and Smith are the top two, IMHO, but I think Hock is going to be the better pro. But that doesn't necessarily mean the scouts will get it right and I could see him worrying about where he will end up in the draft. I think the scouts will be enamored with the other 3 big names.
 
Whenever I think about this topic I wonder about, how many of these players are declaring for the draft because of silver tongued agents, how many players stay out because their coaches talk them out of it for selfish reasons, how many of these players are declaring for the draft simply because they don't have the grades to keep on going in college, and how many players are pushed into the draft by their parents and friends for $$$ reasons, and how many players, declaring set their lives back by making a bad decision. The system is kind of set up to take advantage of the players, IMHO.

That said, if you have NFL talent, why burn your health and years in a college system that in many ways is set up to make tons of money for a lot of people, and you aren't included in the cash.
 
Many thought Chuck Long would go pro after his unbelievable performance in the 1984 Freedom Bowl (without Harmon, who broke his leg in the Wisconsin game) The Daily Iowan and Des Moines Register were predicting, even suggesting, that he turn pro. I think Hayden, who had more than competent Mark Vlasic waiting in the wings, was even suspecting it.

Long's main incentive to decide to stay, of course, was to play in the Rose Bowl, which he did. He unfortunately ended up with an organization that didn't develop quarterbacks very well, never got the professional tutelage he needed, and missed the Barry Sanders era in Detroit. I think, ironically, he ended up back up Jim Everett for a couple years at the end.
 
revkev73 said:
Whenever I think about this topic I wonder about, how many of these players are declaring for the draft because of silver tongued agents, how many players stay out because their coaches talk them out of it for selfish reasons, how many of these players are declaring for the draft simply because they don't have the grades to keep on going in college, and how many players are pushed into the draft by their parents and friends for $$$ reasons, and how many players, declaring set their lives back by making a bad decision. The system is kind of set up to take advantage of the players, IMHO.

That said, if you have NFL talent, why burn your health and years in a college system that in many ways is set up to make tons of money for a lot of people, and you aren't included in the cash.
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Good points. I think a fair number of guys are getting bad advice on declaring early. But you are right about some of these coaches. Different sport, but I thought Matta talked Sullinger into coming back and Sullinger ended up losing a ton of money. I'm sure there are dozens of similar cases all around college athletics.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Many thought Chuck Long would go pro after his unbelievable performance in the 1984 Freedom Bowl (without Harmon, who broke his leg in the Wisconsin game) The Daily Iowan and Des Moines Register were predicting, even suggesting, that he turn pro. I think Hayden, who had more than competent Mark Vlasic waiting in the wings, was even suspecting it.

Long's main incentive to decide to stay, of course, was to play in the Rose Bowl, which he did. He unfortunately ended up with an organization that didn't develop quarterbacks very well, never got the professional tutelage he needed, and missed the Barry Sanders era in Detroit. I think, ironically, he ended up back up Jim Everett for a couple years at the end.
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Chris Everett.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Many thought Chuck Long would go pro after his unbelievable performance in the 1984 Freedom Bowl (without Harmon, who broke his leg in the Wisconsin game) The Daily Iowan and Des Moines Register were predicting, even suggesting, that he turn pro. I think Hayden, who had more than competent Mark Vlasic waiting in the wings, was even suspecting it.

Long's main incentive to decide to stay, of course, was to play in the Rose Bowl, which he did. He unfortunately ended up with an organization that didn't develop quarterbacks very well, never got the professional tutelage he needed, and missed the Barry Sanders era in Detroit. I think, ironically, he ended up back up Jim Everett for a couple years at the end.
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Detroit = Death Star
 
Northside Hawk said:
Many thought Chuck Long would go pro after his unbelievable performance in the 1984 Freedom Bowl (without Harmon, who broke his leg in the Wisconsin game) The Daily Iowan and Des Moines Register were predicting, even suggesting, that he turn pro. I think Hayden, who had more than competent Mark Vlasic waiting in the wings, was even suspecting it.

Long's main incentive to decide to stay, of course, was to play in the Rose Bowl, which he did. He unfortunately ended up with an organization that didn't develop quarterbacks very well, never got the professional tutelage he needed, and missed the Barry Sanders era in Detroit. I think, ironically, he ended up back up Jim Everett for a couple years at the end.
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Didn't think Long's arm was NFL material. Vlasic's was. Always thought Vlasic was better, but what a problem to have as a coach.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Many thought Chuck Long would go pro after his unbelievable performance in the 1984 Freedom Bowl (without Harmon, who broke his leg in the Wisconsin game) The Daily Iowan and Des Moines Register were predicting, even suggesting, that he turn pro. I think Hayden, who had more than competent Mark Vlasic waiting in the wings, was even suspecting it.

Long's main incentive to decide to stay, of course, was to play in the Rose Bowl, which he did. He unfortunately ended up with an organization that didn't develop quarterbacks very well, never got the professional tutelage he needed, and missed the Barry Sanders era in Detroit. I think, ironically, he ended up back up Jim Everett for a couple years at the end.
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Long would have been KF's ideal quarterback.
 
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