How long do you stick with Oglesby?

[Bigtenchamp]

The problem is we have no 3 point shooters and we need some badly... so what do you do? Who else can bring that possibility.

Oglesby isn't right now but we know he can...

 

[PCHawk]

I thought Josh looked a lot better last night. I agreed with Fran in the postgame: I thought every one of the shots he put up was going in. He wasn't putting up bricks; his misses were all in and out, IIRC. And he was actually looking for his shot, even after he missed the first one. That was as encouraging as anything else to me.

He had 2 shots last night that were way off. I was pretty happy that he actually fired another shot right after he missed one tho. He needs to have that mentality more often.

 

[oregonhawkeye]

It's the only move Fran can make if we're to get rolling. No one else on the team, save Marble who's getting minutes anyway, has the potential to make a quantum step up and really impact the outcome of games. Play May more minutes and you'll get more May. But if JO hits stride with his shots it dramatically changes the flow of the half court set, and that's our primary weakness.
A gamble of course. But the risk (not enough Eric May or other bench player) is worth the potential payoff (solid NCAA tourney team).

 

[PCHawk]

It's the only move Fran can make if we're to get rolling. No one else on the team, save Marble who's getting minutes anyway, has the potential to make a quantum step up and really impact the outcome of games. Play May more minutes and you'll get more May. But if JO hits stride with his shots it dramatically changes the flow of the half court set, and that's our primary weakness.
A gamble of course. But the risk (not enough Eric May or other bench player) is worth the potential payoff (solid NCAA tourney team).

This is very true. Josh shooting like this is a slight downgrade from May. But Josh shooting good is a huge upgrade from May.

 

[sportstalent]

Ignorance means you are suggesting that I am uninformed.... What exactly have I said that suggests I am uninformed? Is Josh's role not to come in and make shots? Is he not fulfilling his role?

I believe everything I have said is fact. It's not ignorance when you're dealing with something that is black and white. He isn't performing as well as he or any of us would like him to. Ultimately a player is judged off of performance during a game, not during practice. Josh's performance during games has been so poor this season that I believe it's time to consider giving those minutes to someone else who can effect the game in more ways than just one.

As a previous poster said... Eric May brings more strength, hustle, and athleticism to the court than Ogelsby does. May is shooting .267 from 3 pt land and Oglesby is barely above him at .273. The difference in their 3 pt percentage is so small that I believe given the way Oglesby has performed, or underperformed, that May would be a solid candidate for those minutes.

Just because your username is "sportstalent" doesn't mean you can call people ignorant simply because you find it bad taste for me to bring this up the night after a big victory against lowly Penn State. I started off the entire thread by stating that it is not my intent to bash the kid. I'm simply talking basketball. It could be my brother in his shoes and I'd say the same thing.

Slow your roll double penetrant. That post was not even about you, unless you are a moderator and actually took offense to what I said.
It was a shot at the Woodbury block-o-meter.

That said, ignorance also means uneducated and if you think bashing Oglesby all the time, especially after losses and now a win against an absolutely horrible team, then you haven't educated yourself enough about the rest of this roster. There are multiple upperclassmen that are helping this team at the same level as Oglesby by being one-dimensional.

The roster is flawed, not just one player. Honestly, it wouldn't bother me whatsoever if no Jr's/Sr's saw the floor outside of Basabe. If Marble has turf toe and it is affecting his play this much then get him healthy. The offense seems to flow better with him on the bench right now and that isn't a knock on him, if he is injured and can't do what he is capable maybe it is time to shut him down for a stretch.

You say you aren't bashing him, but why solely focus on Oglesby as so many have before?

It is not "simply talking basketball" when you continue to say and post the same thing over about a kid and maybe you haven't been in on some other topics, but the horse is dead, but is still getting beaten over and over and over and over and over and over again. I don't care what his numbers are, the kid is a sophomore ffs.

 

[sportstalent]

He had 2 shots last night that were way off. I was pretty happy that he actually fired another shot right after he missed one tho. He needs to have that mentality more often.

People hate the comparison to Gatens because "he isn't as good or ever will as good as Gatens" but there are a lot of similarities to them so far through their careers. The difference right now, Iowa has a whole lot more talent surrounding Oglesby than Gatens early in his career.

Gatens didn't have the "shooters" mentality, especially early in his career. When he got on his roll was the only time in his career did he take shots without fear with people in his face.

The one positive I took from Oglesby last night was the shot he hit was on the move and with a guy in his face, but more importantly, without hesitation and in rhythm and the ball delivered chest high. Everything looked perfect on that play and it looked good from the moment it left his hand.

 

[PCHawk]

I think the reason so much heat is directed at Oglesby is because we are one good shooter away from possibly leading the big 10 right now and he is "supposed to be" that shooter.

 

[sportstalent]

I think the reason so much heat is directed at Oglesby is because we are one good shooter away from possibly leading the big 10 right now and he is "supposed to be" that shooter.

If Iowa had a dominant big man that could be the difference as well...just sayin'

 

[PCHawk]

If Iowa had a dominant big man that could be the difference as well...just sayin'

Yea yea. Point is we have the roster now to be good. It's just not panning out because of shooting.

 

[sportstalent]

Yea yea. Point is we have the roster now to be good. It's just not panning out because of shooting.

Dominant big man opens up driving lanes and higher FG% and that whole A/FGM% drops a lot, maybe not a lot, but maybe around 50%.

Look, the roster is flawed, but is improving and Iowa has some really good young talent.

 

[PCHawk]

I'll start over. Oglesby is the shooter we need and thought we had. If he shoots good we might be leading the big 10 right now. That might be why so much heat is directed at him. He was supposed to have the one thing we need desperately.

 

[sportstalent]

I'll start over. Oglesby is the shooter we need and thought we had. If he shoots good we might be leading the big 10 right now. That might be why so much heat is directed at him. He was supposed to have the one thing we need desperately.

I understand perfectly clear, I really do. I think it is so overblown how much heat he gets when you look at the big picture. There are quite a few other players on the roster listed as guards not really shooting a whole lot better.

Also, some improvements with some other players from 3-pt range that we heard about aren't coming to fruition.

I just don't understand the infatuation with Oglesby. If you think all Iowa is missing is a little shooting, from just one guy...well, not sure if you are watching the whole team and I know you actually do, so don't take that personally.

 

[hawkfan33]

I was looking on KenPom at the most similar comparisons for JO's season this year and in most cases these guys don't bounce back real well.

The most similar players to Ogelsby's sophomore year are:

Brandon Holtz - Illinois St. - He saw his mpg fall every season, he shot 10/30 from the field his senior year.
Josh Bone - S. Ill- Transferred to Tennessee after his soph year, was a bit player for UT, never averaged more than 3.2 ppg
Eshaunte Jones - Neb- Transferred to N. Kentucky after his soph year
Cole Holmstrom - Ind St - Had his scholarship pulled after his soph year
Sherrard Brantley - UGA- His mpg dropped his Jr year and he shot 13/51 from 3 that year, bounced back a little his senior year and is currently 17/49 from 3, but still only averaging only 3 ppg.

I'd love to see JO bounce back, but his most comparable players have not went on to productive careers.

 

[sportstalent]

I was looking on KenPom at the most similar comparisons for JO's season this year and in most cases these guys don't bounce back real well.

The most similar players to Ogelsby's sophomore year are:

Brandon Holtz - Illinois St. - He saw his mpg fall every season, he shot 10/30 from the field his senior year.
Josh Bone - S. Ill- Transferred to Tennessee after his soph year, was a bit player for UT, never averaged more than 3.2 ppg
Eshaunte Jones - Neb- Transferred to N. Kentucky after his soph year
Cole Holmstrom - Ind St - Had his scholarship pulled after his soph year
Sherrard Brantley - UGA- His mpg dropped his Jr year and he shot 13/51 from 3 that year, bounced back a little his senior year and is currently 17/49 from 3, but still only averaging only 3 ppg.

I'd love to see JO bounce back, but his most comparable players have not went on to productive careers.

There you have it, pull the scholarship and create 10 threads after each game proclaiming Josh will never be a Big Ten player...vindication...

I get what you are saying, if he never recovers and doesn't become a viable shooter, it isn't like Iowa hasn't had players like that in the past...practice success doesn't always translate into game success. If Oglesby never becomes a major contributor, it really isn't going to bother me.

 

[hawkfan33]

There you have it, pull the scholarship and create 10 threads after each game proclaiming Josh will never be a Big Ten player...vindication...

I get what you are saying, if he never recovers and doesn't become a viable shooter, it isn't like Iowa hasn't had players like that in the past...practice success doesn't always translate into game success. If Oglesby never becomes a major contributor, it really isn't going to bother me.

Not saying that at all, I do think Josh has potential. He has improved his defense this year, but was just curious about how similar players have fared the following seasons.

 

[sportstalent]

Not saying that at all, I do think Josh has potential. He has improved his defense this year, but was just curious about how similar players have fared the following seasons.

I know you aren't, hence the smiley. It is just amazing to me the infatuation with Oglesby.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

I get what everyone is saying about Oglesby and at some point you have to give those minutes to some else if he can get his stroke going. In my opinion, both May and Clemmons bring something to the table that Josh doesn't on the defensive and offensive end. If Josh can't deliver better than 23% from 3, he can't be on the floor. He hurts the team because he doesn't penetrate, he isn't physical, and he can't stop most 2's in the Big10 from scoring.

That being said, there should be just as much pressure on Marble. I get he's hurting now, but his shooting hasn't been great, and his penetration game hasn't been what was expected either. He was supposed to be a mismatch for any of the 2's out there, but against the top tier teams, his numbers are awful. I think the NBA will be waiting for awhile. I hope he stays with his head on straight as I think he can continue to improve. He still needs to get stronger going to the basket.

 

[sportstalent]

I get what everyone is saying about Oglesby and at some point you have to give those minutes to some else if he can get his stroke going. In my opinion, both May and Clemmons bring something to the table that Josh doesn't on the defensive and offensive end. If Josh can't deliver better than 23% from 3, he can't be on the floor. He hurts the team because he doesn't penetrate, he isn't physical, and he can't stop most 2's in the Big10 from scoring.

That being said, there should be just as much pressure on Marble. I get he's hurting now, but his shooting hasn't been great, and his penetration game hasn't been what was expected either. He was supposed to be a mismatch for any of the 2's out there, but against the top tier teams, his numbers are awful. I think the NBA will be waiting for awhile. I hope he stays with his head on straight as I think he can continue to improve. He still needs to get stronger going to the basket.

Give Oglesbly's minutes to Ingram if he can't improve his shooting and sit Marble if he is that injured and it affecting his ability to do what he is capable of doing.

Right now, the offense seems to flow better with Marble out of the game, I believe he was on the bench for a good part of the 14-0 run, could be wrong, but I remember him coming off after the first dead ball from the first TV timeout and not coming back for a long time.

 

[tm3308]

Give Oglesbly's minutes to Ingram if he can't improve his shooting and sit Marble if he is that injured and it affecting his ability to do what he is capable of doing.

Right now, the offense seems to flow better with Marble out of the game, I believe he was on the bench for a good part of the 14-0 run, could be wrong, but I remember him coming off after the first dead ball from the first TV timeout and not coming back for a long time.

I've been thinking the same thing for awhile now. Even when he was healthy, the offense seemed to flow better without him. I don't necessarily think that's because Devyn goes rogue, but guys seem more willing to wait for something to happen when our best playmaker is on the floor, instead of just executing the offense with great ball movement. That leads to a lot of iso, and empty possessions.

 

[sportstalent]

I've been thinking the same thing for awhile now. Even when he was healthy, the offense seemed to flow better without him. I don't necessarily think that's because Devyn goes rogue, but guys seem more willing to wait for something to happen when our best playmaker is on the floor, instead of just executing the offense with great ball movement. That leads to a lot of iso, and empty possessions.

Yes, everything seems to come to a standstill and when people decide to move there are 15 seconds on the shot clock and from there something is forced. When Iowa looks good on offense there is minimal dribbling. When Oglesby is on the floor the same thing happens, there is one guy screening trying to get him open while Iowa dribbles at the top of the 3-pt line, then consequently forces a shot.

The offense should stay the same unless it is an end of the game scenario.