How do we get bielema to coach here?

BVHawk95 said:
Sums up how I feel about him as well. As unlikable as Bret can be at times, he's still a Hawk, and it shows in the way he reveres Hayden and his days at Iowa.

He has work to do before getting back into coaching though, and I'm not sure I want anything to do with him as a possible HC candidate.
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Fryowa said:
Lol, ask Spurrier, Holtz, and Saban how much they liked the pros.
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No kidding. Why play in a sandbox with a level playing field like the NFL? I mean when you can hook onto ND, Bama or Florida you have such a HUGE advantage from jump street as you have access to the top players in the country. There is a reason Saban and Spurrier weren't HOF coaches at MSU and S. Carolina or in the NFL where they didn't have a huge talent advantage.
 
deanvogs said:
No kidding. Why play in a sandbox with a level playing field like the NFL? I mean when you can hook onto ND, Bama or Florida you have such a HUGE advantage from jump street as you have access to the top players in the country. There is a reason Saban and Spurrier weren't HOF coaches at MSU and S. Carolina or in the NFL where they didn't have a huge talent advantage.
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In the NFL the top 10-20 or so players on each team make more than the head coach (depending on the team), and pretty much every starter makes way more than even the highest paid assistants. Hayden Fry said on many occasions that’s why he’d never go pro. He didn’t think a coach should play second or third fiddle to players or owners.

You have to deal with primadonna players, owners trumping your decisions to hang on to said players (Kraft, Switzer, etc.), and literally zero job security. NFL teams change assistants like underwear and if you’ve ever looked at the job history of journeyman NFL assistants they’ve been to more places than Metallica during the Black album tours.

If Bielema is ok with moving every two years and doesn’t want to become a head coach or coordinator he should be fine until retiring at 55. If you think about it it’s probably a load off his shoulders to blend anonymously into a crowd than deal with the shit storm that he had to put up with from Arkansas fans. But if not, he’ll find out pretty quick that a cushy college job will have more job security (still not great but better than the NFL), pay more over the long run, and offer more decision making than he will get now.

I do find it funny that he’s saying how awesome it is and how he’ll never come back, but he hasn’t even found out what his job is yet and hasn’t even coached in a game.
 
deanvogs said:
No kidding. Why play in a sandbox with a level playing field like the NFL? I mean when you can hook onto ND, Bama or Florida you have such a HUGE advantage from jump street as you have access to the top players in the country. There is a reason Saban and Spurrier weren't HOF coaches at MSU and S. Carolina or in the NFL where they didn't have a huge utalent advantage.
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Also why coaches like K and Izzo stay in college, though they have had some tempting offers to coach in the NBA.

And why people who did make the jump, like Calipari and Pitino, had mixed results.

And why a guy like Scott Skiles wore out his welcome in four NBA stops.

Skiles belongs in college coaching. He would be on my all decade big ten team with 1980's players like Glen Rice and Nick Anderson. Maybe there is a plan in place for him to replace Izzo someday. But at this rate Skiles may be close to sixty years old by the time Izzo retires.

BTW, Steve Alford and Roy Marble round out the rest of that team for me. It's interesting that there's no post player that really stands out. You could almost make a case for Altoona's Shon Morris, who starred at Northwestern and is of course now a Big Ten Network analyst.
 
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I'm pretty confident if you ask Bert to come back, in order for it to be successful, you would have to see if Alvarez would come back too. Bert didn't do so well when he was separated from the brains of the operation.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Also why coaches like K and Izzo stay in college, though they have had some tempting offers to coach in the NBA.

And why people who did make the jump, like Calipari and Pitino, had mixed results.

And why a guy like Scott Skiles wore out his welcome in four NBA stops.

Skiles belongs in college coaching. He would be on my all decade big ten team with 1980's players like Glen Rice and Nick Anderson. Maybe there is a plan in place for him to replace Izzo someday. But at this rate Skiles may be close to sixty years old by the time Izzo retires.

BTW, Steve Alford and Roy Marble round out the rest of that team for me. It's interesting that there's no post player that really stands out. You could almost make a case for Altoona's Shon Morris, who starred at Northwestern and is of course now a Big Ten Network analyst.
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Roy Tarpley belongs on that team, even when sober.

Skiles is an ass-clown. He wears out his welcome faster than Alford wherever he goes. His tours in Orlando have met with more gritting of teeth than anyone in history. In spite of the way Shaq dumped on Orlando, he's still liked better than Skiles.
 
I get it. Sometimes you want to deal with adults. No matter how you feel about the maturity level of NFL players you are not held responsible for their behavior. I look at the Lesean McCoy situation if I am Sean McDermott I much rather deal with finding his potential replacement than trying to explain what I knew about what was going on in his personal life.

Clearly, Bielema has to reboot his career why not learn from the best football coach on the planet. There will always be mid to lower tier power 5 jobs to choose from. He is still young enough to come back to college if he chooses to.
 
Fryowa said:
In the NFL the top 10-20 or so players on each team make more than the head coach (depending on the team), and pretty much every starter makes way more than even the highest paid assistants. Hayden Fry said on many occasions that’s why he’d never go pro. He didn’t think a coach should play second or third fiddle to players or owners.

You have to deal with primadonna players, owners trumping your decisions to hang on to said players (Kraft, Switzer, etc.), and literally zero job security. NFL teams change assistants like underwear and if you’ve ever looked at the job history of journeyman NFL assistants they’ve been to more places than Metallica during the Black album tours.

If Bielema is ok with moving every two years and doesn’t want to become a head coach or coordinator he should be fine until retiring at 55. If you think about it it’s probably a load off his shoulders to blend anonymously into a crowd than deal with the shit storm that he had to put up with from Arkansas fans. But if not, he’ll find out pretty quick that a cushy college job will have more job security (still not great but better than the NFL), pay more over the long run, and offer more decision making than he will get now.

I do find it funny that he’s saying how awesome it is and how he’ll never come back, but he hasn’t even found out what his job is yet and hasn’t even coached in a game.
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You can say the same thing about college assistants. What happens at Iowa with assistants isn't the norm. There are a lot more Bobby Kennedy(s) than there are Reese Morgan(s). Paul Rhoads has moved from Ames to Fayetteville to Los Angeles in a 4 year span.

Everybody wants the gig that Pat Fitzgerald has, Kirk Ferentz has, but to find a place where you can win, have reasonable expectations from the fan base and do it with the type of players you want is rare.
 
Actually, if this ends up being a fairly stable gig as a position coach and fits he the role, it could be very good for him all around. Being a head coach at a major program has endless pressures. Let's face it, Bielema has a good deal of trouble managing his life and health choices. Quite a few perfectly capable people are not so good at keeping personal things in order. Being a position coach seems to be a more concentrated set of demands, rather than an open ended set of endless demands that a D-1 head coach faces.
 
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Actually, if this ends up being a fairly stable gig as a position coach and fits he the role, it could be very good for him all around. Being a head coach at a major program has endless pressures. Let's face it, Bielema has a good deal of trouble managing his life and health choices. Quite a few perfectly capable people are not so good at keeping personal things in order. Being a position coach seems to be a more concentrated set of demands, rather than an open ended set of endless demands that a D-1 head coach faces.
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Depends on how you are built. I used to work in a high stress job and I was pretty darn healthy. Didn't have time to be bad.
Only problem I had was being high level stage 3 hypertension for 5 years straight. But I didn't feel stressed, just busy. I was younger and really didn't know how to properly blow off steam. I just worked worked worked.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Roy Tarpley belongs on that team, even when sober.

Skiles is an ass-clown. He wears out his welcome faster than Alford wherever he goes. His tours in Orlando have met with more gritting of teeth than anyone in history. In spite of the way Shaq dumped on Orlando, he's still liked better than Skiles.
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Tarpley would get the nod over Morris for the post position. That's a good call.

Skiles has always been an asshole, and had multiple off the court issues that would have gotten him dismissed from a lot of programs. But he was a hell of a player on the college level. I remember him jawing with Jeff Hornecek, pointing to a spot on the floor where he would drill his next shot, then doing it next possession down the floor.
 
Northside Hawk said:
Tarpley would get the nod over Morris for the post position. That's a good call.

Skiles has always been an asshole, and had multiple off the court issues that would have gotten him dismissed from a lot of programs. But he was a hell of a player on the college level. I remember him jawing with Jeff Hornecek, pointing to a spot on the floor where he would drill his next shot, then doing it next possession down the floor.
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Don't forget about Uwe Blab.
 
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