How did Boise and maybe other MWC teams game the RPI system?

Okay here is my final take on this RPI stuff.
I will admit that I love seeing the mid-majors in the NCAA tournament, if you have rooted against Geroge Mason, Butler and VCU in the Final Four then I have a problem because they weren't playing Iowa. Those teams are what is great about March Madness, not how many Power Conference teams get in or get "shafted" because it is the ultimate David vs. Goliath.

What really is wrong with MTSU getting in the NCAA tournament? Nothing, absolutely nothing. People complain that they didn't go out and play this or that and teams like Iowa did. That is the whole point, if you want to use the same criteria for say Iowa and MTSU, what criteria do you use? What can you use to really compare them, the eye ball test...fail because that favors a major conference team?

These other indexes that are used tend to favor the major conference teams as well, I am not saying they aren't valid, but when you want to talk about the different ones, the RPI just may be the best metric because it really doesn't favor any specific team, but schools have figured out how to work the system. Why? It is quite simple really, look at how many major conference teams have not been snubbed prior to them changing the way they operate. Keep in mind there was a 16-14 Florida State team that got in the tournament one year and a team like Manhattan was left out, but was put in the next year and went to the Sweet 16, FSU got a dream match-up in the first round, won and lost in the second round.

In all honesty, the bubble was so weak this year and the Power Six conferences outside of the Big East and Big Ten were down. There is absolutely no good way to compare teams, but each committee does it a little different. When it came down to this committee, they made it easy on themselves by going with the RPI and road wins to judge teams and again, it is a year they can as there were a lot of teams that got in simply because they have a weak conference and were able to pile up some wins.

I find it funny that the "experts" point to Iowa's conference slate, but answer me this...what other "bubble" team had a harder conference slate? What other "bubble" team played a No. 1, 2 and two 4 seeds in their own conference?
I am not advocating Iowa got the shaft, they had all the opportunities to get in, they unlike the MTSU's of the world had their chance to prove themselves in one or two games that they trickled down their leg. I have no issues with mid-majors who have a ton of wins, but make one slip and still get the at-large berth. Maybe they go out and lose, but I like seeing the little guys play, hoping one makes a run like Butler, VCU and George Mason, but making that final step and winning, it is just the purest basketball fan in me.

If changes are made to the RPI and it begins to favor the power teams it will cause the tournament to lose some of its magic as VCU would not have made the NCAA tournament the year they made their Final Four run and people were just infuriated saying they should not have made it. Those same people were just ecstatic when they made their run, typical media folks.

I enjoy the integrity of the NCAA tournament, once all the crying is over it gets settled on the floor.
 
Okay here is my final take on this RPI stuff.
I will admit that I love seeing the mid-majors in the NCAA tournament, if you have rooted against Geroge Mason, Butler and VCU in the Final Four then I have a problem because they weren't playing Iowa. Those teams are what is great about March Madness, not how many Power Conference teams get in or get "shafted" because it is the ultimate David vs. Goliath.

What really is wrong with MTSU getting in the NCAA tournament? Nothing, absolutely nothing. People complain that they didn't go out and play this or that and teams like Iowa did. That is the whole point, if you want to use the same criteria for say Iowa and MTSU, what criteria do you use? What can you use to really compare them, the eye ball test...fail because that favors a major conference team?

These other indexes that are used tend to favor the major conference teams as well, I am not saying they aren't valid, but when you want to talk about the different ones, the RPI just may be the best metric because it really doesn't favor any specific team, but schools have figured out how to work the system. Why? It is quite simple really, look at how many major conference teams have not been snubbed prior to them changing the way they operate. Keep in mind there was a 16-14 Florida State team that got in the tournament one year and a team like Manhattan was left out, but was put in the next year and went to the Sweet 16, FSU got a dream match-up in the first round, won and lost in the second round.

In all honesty, the bubble was so weak this year and the Power Six conferences outside of the Big East and Big Ten were down. There is absolutely no good way to compare teams, but each committee does it a little different. When it came down to this committee, they made it easy on themselves by going with the RPI and road wins to judge teams and again, it is a year they can as there were a lot of teams that got in simply because they have a weak conference and were able to pile up some wins.

I find it funny that the "experts" point to Iowa's conference slate, but answer me this...what other "bubble" team had a harder conference slate? What other "bubble" team played a No. 1, 2 and two 4 seeds in their own conference?
I am not advocating Iowa got the shaft, they had all the opportunities to get in, they unlike the MTSU's of the world had their chance to prove themselves in one or two games that they trickled down their leg. I have no issues with mid-majors who have a ton of wins, but make one slip and still get the at-large berth. Maybe they go out and lose, but I like seeing the little guys play, hoping one makes a run like Butler, VCU and George Mason, but making that final step and winning, it is just the purest basketball fan in me.

If changes are made to the RPI and it begins to favor the power teams it will cause the tournament to lose some of its magic as VCU would not have made the NCAA tournament the year they made their Final Four run and people were just infuriated saying they should not have made it. Those same people were just ecstatic when they made their run, typical media folks.

I enjoy the integrity of the NCAA tournament, once all the crying is over it gets settled on the floor.


You do make a good point. Iowa is probably more deserving to make the tournament then a lot of other teams but they had their chance and didn't put themselves in position to be 1 of 7 teams selected from their conference. I would bet Iowa is better then at least a few teams from the bubble but they are a known. Why not give the unknown a chance. I still say screw the RPI tho.
 
I may have figured it out today. If we take this season's non con schedule, the one that was so horrible, and flip all the game sites (home games become road games, games away from home become home games) and finish 11-2, we are top 25 RPI at season's end. It's not as much about playing the 300's as we had been thinking. What brought us down is we played nine games in Carver and only one true road game in non-conference play.
 
This. It's just butthurt setting in. If Iowa would have traded numbers with Boise and Boise was left out of the tourney no one would be decrying the abject injustice of the RPI.

While this is obviously true its an idiotic comparison.

Thats equivalent to saying the victim of a crime wouldn't be complaining if they were the one who committed it.

MWC cheated and got away with it, because the committee decided to look the other way while at the same time spouting off insincere lip service about needing to play tough opponents. .

A bunch of teams who did not beat ANYONE got in while a bunch of teams who beat top 50 teams got left out.

Just throwing around the soon to be out of date internet cool guy buzzword "butthurt" isn't good enough to cloud the truth of what actually happened.
 
It's absurd to leave out the lower teams that take care of business. It's a part of March Madness. It isn't about making fans of teams of power conferences that didn't do anything significant to get in the tourney. The tourney would get as boring as the football bowl season. Who cares about the Motor City Bowl or NYC Tundra Bowl.

It is fun as could be to see UNI lop off Kansas. Who wants to see an 11 or a 10 seed B1G team lose to a higher seed, but not terrific team. Boring, except for the fans of those teams.

What are you talking about? Make an argument based on what actually happened rather than just throwing out vague missplaced cliches.

Boise St did not take care of buissness. That is exactly why everyone has a problem with it.

They didn't beat anyone and they did not do good in their own crap league.

They did the opposite of taking care of buissness.

The mountain west in general only had such a high RPI because they played a bunch of D2 teams and it inflated the entire league.

You need to grasp what actually happened or shut up.
 
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What are you talking about? Make an argument based on what actually happened rather than just throwing out vague missplaced cliches.

Boise St did not take care of buissness. That is exactly why everyone has a problem with it.

They didn't beat anyone and they did not do good in their own crap league.

They did the opposite of taking care of buissness.

The mountain west in general only had such a high RPI because they played a bunch of D2 teams and it inflated the entire league.

You need to grasp what actually happened or shut up.

He will get back to you in about a month.
 
While this is obviously true its an idiotic comparison.

Thats equivalent to saying the victim of a crime wouldn't be complaining if they were the one who committed it.

MWC cheated and got away with it, because the committee decided to look the other way while at the same time spouting off insincere lip service about needing to play tough opponents. .

A bunch of teams who did not beat ANYONE got in while a bunch of teams who beat top 50 teams got left out.

Just throwing around the soon to be out of date internet cool guy buzzword "butthurt" isn't good enough to cloud the truth of what actually happened.
It's dumb enough to say they gamed the system but now the MWC cheated? Good grief,buzzword or not you are indeed butthurt
 
It's dumb enough to say they gamed the system but now the MWC cheated? Good grief,buzzword or not you are indeed butthurt

The MWC played FOURTEEN non-D1 opponents this year. Those teams, while lousy (comparable to teams that finish 250+ in RPI), don't factor into the SOS rating.

That's like taking a gimme in golf and not counting the stroke. Explain how that's not gaming the system?
 
It's dumb enough to say they gamed the system but now the MWC cheated? Good grief,buzzword or not you are indeed butthurt

Do I really have to explain that the term cheated was not literal? Is this third grade?

My problem is not with what happened in the selection process, although its clearly flawed, Iowa probably wasn't in the conversation either way with the loss to MSU.

My problem is with the general idea of people making stupid lazy arguments, trying to sound cool while doing it by using stupid lazy buzzwords and in your case just being stupid.
 
The MWC played FOURTEEN non-D1 opponents this year. Those teams, while lousy (comparable to teams that finish 250+ in RPI), don't factor into the SOS rating.

That's like taking a gimme in golf and not counting the stroke. Explain how that's not gaming the system?

It's not really gaming the system when that IS the system. Gaming the system would involve the MWC somehow gaining an advantage from the system that no one else has. Any team, any conference, can do this and I'm sure they are all aware of it. Payouts and revenue are probably more important in these decisions than the actual playing aspect. If these teams want to forego having to make payouts to D1 schools and sacrifice the potential revenue D1 opponents could bring in as opposed to D2 then that is their choice. It is also a choice any other school can make.
 
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