How can this stat be right?

[Knight78]

That is easily one of the most delusional things I've read on HN. There is no way that happens. Once again here's the Mitch King effect where tunnel-visioned Hawkeye fans make a player into a legend in their own minds and just assume that he'll flourish at the pro level.

Does AW help the Hawks? Sure. Is he one of the best 40-50 centers in the world (i.e. NBA material)? Not even close.

The NBA has started to realize that seven feet isn't some magical number, and even if it were, there are a few hundred of them out there to choose from.

Not necessarily the reason. The NBA game, like the college game and the high school game, has changed; and not necessarily for the better. The main agent of that change is the three point line. Too many coaches value the three point shot over good overall offensive play.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Well, if you had told me in 1997 that Ryan Bowen would have a 10 year NBA career... I would have laughed at you. Bowen was more athletic but was also smaller; he was never a good shooter but was a scorer - garbage buckets and hustle scores. He was in the NBA for 10 years because he did the things Woody does - things that don't show up on stat sheets.

I remember Bowen well. He was similar to White. I'd argue White was a stronger better version of Bowen if you were to compare just their senior years. The NBA however is way way different in 2016 then it was back in the 90s and early 2000s. Woody doesn't have the foot speed or overall defense to play against NBA bigs. If you think he has no offensive game in college he most certainly won't in NBA. Bowen as a forward and what he was asked to do during that era of ball was able to find a nitch yes. Any kind of one Woodbury would try and get he just isn't qualified or good enough... The only thing Woody can offer an NBA team is setting screens and fouling. That's about it.

 

[PCHawk]

Fail. you have to say it like the original post:

does anyone else think Baer hustles even more than White? The way he hustles he will bypass in one season more in hustle than White did in his career.

Sounds like a really positive Baer post to me.

 

[ThunderHawk]

Jarrod Uthoff has 50 blocked shot this season.
Adam Woodbury has 64 blocked shots...in his career (he has 3 this season).
At their current rates, Uthoff will pass him by the end of January.

Ultrahoff is athletic, super coordinated and can jump outta the gym.

Woodberries...well, you've all seen it, no need to elaborate.

 

[Seth53]

lol... You e got to be kidding me right? Seriously No way!!! Les was a 2nd round Pick and came on and had strong Senior Season both offensively and Defensively. Woody will have to do more than he has done to date to even get on a draft radar..

Hope Woody is brushing up on his Spanish, Italian or German.

 

[Seth53]

The Woodbury bashing is getting quite old. We've known from his freshman year that he wouldn't be an offensive juggernaut. We've also known he doesn't have hops. He is a space eater who can alter shots by having his hands up and taking up space as well as pushing bodies away from the basket which opens up rebounds for Woody as well as others.

Well, no, not really.

Go back and look at those posts, especially from Jon Miller. The underlying theme was "Big guys take longer to develop offensively." Heard that over and over and over....so the hope was he'd develop into, what, a 12-14 point/night guy?

Maybe expectations were too high, but then again, they should be for a 4*/UNC-has-to-have recruit.

 

[JonDMiller]

Jarrod Uthoff has 50 blocked shot this season.
Adam Woodbury has 64 blocked shots...in his career (he has 3 this season).
At their current rates, Uthoff will pass him by the end of January.

When Woody was coming out of high school, nobody expected him to be a shot blocker. Because he wasn't in high school

 

[JonDMiller]

Well, no, not really.

Go back and look at those posts, especially from Jon Miller. The underlying theme was "Big guys take longer to develop offensively." Heard that over and over and over....so the hope was he'd develop into, what, a 12-14 point/night guy?

Maybe expectations were too high, but then again, they should be for a 4*/UNC-has-to-have recruit.

Never thought he'd be a shot blocker. I expected more offense eventually than what we have seen. I would say he has also been a disruptive force on defense in areas that don't show up on the stat sheet. All in all, I am glad Woody came to Iowa and he will likely leave the school having been a part of three NCAA teams, among the first Hawkeyes to be able to say that since JR Koch was a senior at Iowa in 1999

 

[Seth53]

Never thought he'd be a shot blocker. I expected more offense eventually than what we have seen. I would say he has also been a disruptive force on defense in areas that don't show up on the stat sheet. All in all, I am glad Woody came to Iowa and he will likely leave the school having been a part of three NCAA teams, among the first Hawkeyes to be able to say that since JR Koch was a senior at Iowa in 1999

Agree with this post. Much rather have had him than not.

With that said, it still is a head-scratcher that he hasn't developed a "go to" Woody shot....something he's practiced a million times and it's almost automatic....fade jumper, lane jumper, little hook, drop step/hard to the basket...something...but after four years, for some reason, that bag is empty.

 

[DDThompson]

Agree with this post. Much rather have had him than not.

With that said, it still is a head-scratcher that he hasn't developed a "go to" Woody shot....something he's practiced a million times and it's almost automatic....fade jumper, lane jumper, little hook, drop step/hard to the basket...something...but after four years, for some reason, that bag is empty.

This is a great point. Never really thought of it but it seems to be true: big guys develop a dependable move or shot. Why hasn't that happened?

It's also good constructive criticism. Not like the rubes' criticism in this thread.

 

[PCHawk]

It takes a certain amount of coordination to consistently make shots while your body is moving. He's pretty good at set shots but he can't consistently make wide open layups. If he was on a team that stuggled offensively, it would maybe make sense for him to attempt moves like that, but on this team it's not worth it.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Agree with this post. Much rather have had him than not.

With that said, it still is a head-scratcher that he hasn't developed a "go to" Woody shot....something he's practiced a million times and it's almost automatic....fade jumper, lane jumper, little hook, drop step/hard to the basket...something...but after four years, for some reason, that bag is empty.

I hope all of you don't get me wrong because I agree with you and Miller that I'm happy we have him too. Especially when you remember back to when we first got him and where the program was back then. We needed him. NC and other big schools after him just would have liked to have him... It's just fair to say he never developed an offensive game that you'd hope he would have. You'd think he could make the inside layups and have a go to move of somekind but he just doesn't. He doesn't have any explosion in his legs to go back up with the ball after an offensive rebound or off a pass. Be it his lack of ability or confidence in himself he just don't even seem to try sometimes...

 

[docholihawk]

Woody as with all Iowa players have achieved much more than I ever could have. I have to smh at myself when I criticize players and coaches.

 

[bcl20]

He seems to have the mechanics of a post game down. When he has the ball it looks like he goes through different moves that a big man would be taught. For whatever reason it doesn't often lead to much. I don't know if quickness is an issue or if the moves have never become instinct or what it is.

We have to praise him though for his free throw shooting now though. He's become almost automatic at the line.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

He seems to have the mechanics of a post game down. When he has the ball it looks like he goes through different moves that a big man would be taught. For whatever reason it doesn't often lead to much. I don't know if quickness is an issue or if the moves have never become instinct or what it is.

We have to praise him though for his free throw shooting now though. He's become almost automatic at the line.

Yes I'd failed to bring up free throw shooting too. He was like a 50% guy coming out of HS and his first year or so at Iowa. He's borderline our best one now. Isn't he around 80% for the year? So for me to be fair to him yes he's worked at that and improved a ton at it. Because he's been able to do that I wish he'd have more confidence in taking a 14 footer when he has the chance. Seems like he always has to slowly size up the situation when he catches a pass in that situation before he decides to shoot. If he'd just rise up in rhythm to shoot it I bet that'd help him convert more.