How can this stat be right?
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RocknRollface
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I find it hard to believe that anyone who's watched Iowa play would be surprised at those numbers.
atomicblue224
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I think he's doing a great job! He's important part of the winning formula.
Don't fix whatever it's working for the Hawkeyes.
Don't fix whatever it's working for the Hawkeyes.
bcl20
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We really need more threads praising uthoff. He's God's gift to basketball right now.
I'd do it myself but I'd probably break him with my ability to jinx
99topdawg
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Then start a thread about how overrated he is and how this team will never win a Big Ten Championship or get to a Final Four.
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DDThompson
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Nope. Not when the control to gauge JU is Woody.
Stanzi
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I took this as a praise Uthoff thread. It seemed pretty obvious. People need to stop jumping to far fetched conclusions.
Woodbury is kind of like a guard in football. They can both be very effective and do what they are needed for, but the average person wouldn't recognize it whatsoever.
Woodbury is kind of like a guard in football. They can both be very effective and do what they are needed for, but the average person wouldn't recognize it whatsoever.
HiltonHeadHawk
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I'm not a Woody fan and think he does an okay job when in there. Sometimes its surprising and some is unwatchable. He will NOT be in the NBA, that is delusional. Noel in Philly might be out of the league in 2 years. Rather than just the eye test in which he is unable to leave the floor, block anything, box out, or dunk a basketball, basketball reference has added a statistic just like the NBA +/- system. Here is Iowa's that might be interesting...
OBPM - Offensive Box + - which is what a player contributes offensively per 100 possessions compared to avg player
DBPM - Defensive Box + - which is what a player contributes defensively per 100 ........
BPM - Box + - basically the overall .........
OBPM DBPM BPM
Woody 3.0 1.9 4.9
Wagner 2.3 4.9 7.3
Uhl 4.4 3.5 7.8
Baer 6.5 6.1 12.6
Defend all you want, but for everyone claiming that they are better with Woody at the post defensively, you are not necessarily correct and there is statistics to back it up. I thought vs. Purdue Woody did ok, but Uhl actually looked better defending the post against good big men. Uhl also creates a horrible mismatch on the offensive end that tends to open up the court for Gessell and Uthoff to get to the basket. I didn't look at Uthoff's numbers but I'm guessing they destroy these.
OBPM - Offensive Box + - which is what a player contributes offensively per 100 possessions compared to avg player
DBPM - Defensive Box + - which is what a player contributes defensively per 100 ........
BPM - Box + - basically the overall .........
OBPM DBPM BPM
Woody 3.0 1.9 4.9
Wagner 2.3 4.9 7.3
Uhl 4.4 3.5 7.8
Baer 6.5 6.1 12.6
Defend all you want, but for everyone claiming that they are better with Woody at the post defensively, you are not necessarily correct and there is statistics to back it up. I thought vs. Purdue Woody did ok, but Uhl actually looked better defending the post against good big men. Uhl also creates a horrible mismatch on the offensive end that tends to open up the court for Gessell and Uthoff to get to the basket. I didn't look at Uthoff's numbers but I'm guessing they destroy these.
ChosenChildren
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Hey, bottom line, we won't be the same team with Uthoff and Woodbury. they both will be huge losses when they graduate.
SteveGarvey
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MLB rosters are about twice as big as NBA ones so don't see it. Back in the old days the Pistons had room for a guy named Chuck Nevitt but teams don't hold sentimental spots for 7 foot dudes just because they're 7 footers anymore.
But we know Woody is an under the rim guy who works his butt off and we'll take him.
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DDThompson
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You all need to improve your comprehension skills. If this were a thread to praise JU it would look like this:
"Uthoff has 50 blocks this season. That number places JU first in the Big Ten, ranks third in the nation and ties for second nationally at 3.3 blocks per game."
What's missing from the above line compared to the original post?
SteveGarvey
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The constant need to knock down others to make us feel better about ourselves, I suppose?
HawkAssassin
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How does that formula define contributions? Not everything a player does shows up on a stat sheet.
Uhl did a good job against Purdue, but still had a couple of moments where he got pushed around. I can also tell you that our guards were more alert to helping in the post when Uhl was there instead of Woody because they trust Woody much more in that situation. Uhl's generally fine guarding someone individually, but he sometimes loses his head off the ball causes he's still learning all of his responsibilities as a big man. He's making progress though.
When Woody went out against MSU... there was blood in the water, and sparty immediately hit the glass which almost got them back in the game. I expect similar results without Adam.
When Dom decides to go, he is dangerous. I thought he built off his late performance vs Purdue and came out aggressive against the Huskers. He's gotta prove over the next couple games that he can do this consistently.
When Woody first came to Iowa I made the mistake in thinking he'd avg 1 blk per game for his career.... I just assumed that a 7'1 center playing as much as he has would accidently get 1 a game in the paint be it on his man or helping off on to a driving wing player. He's just not even a guy that tries to block shot due to his lack of athleticism/quickness/anticipation. Is he good at other things? Sure he can read and play defense against pick and rolls as good as any big man as we've ever had. And that's worth something sure. But he's just never been a volume rebounder or inside presence on offense that most people thought he'd be. The NBA is certainly not on his radar. Way better big guys have not cashed an NBA pay check then him. If he wants to cash checks playing ball he'll have to go over seas. Bottom line on him for me is if he would have been a 3 star middle of the pack recruit we'd look at him as a heck of a snag. But he was brought in as a 4 star big time top 100ish player I think. If he'd have gone to UNC instead they'd have looked at him as a bust. Their fans would have chewed him up and spit him up. They wouldn't go for his getting in foul trouble like he did a lot early and lack of offense and missing dunks etc etc... Iowa fans are pretty generous to kids of our own. And that's fine. But let's not ignore reality.
And honestly when Woody first came in I was as patient as could be. I was well aware that big guys take time to develop usually. But how much has his game really improved since his first game? Well he is in great shape. He can play more mins now due to both not getting in foul trouble as fast and his shape. He is a great passer and setter of screens I'd forgotten to mention those earlier. But he has no offensive game to speak of. He's not a great rebounder and still commits a silly foul you scratch your head at... That said he's helped win a lot of games. It's just a good thing we haven't needed him to be an offensive threat any more then he is. I really was hoping he'd have been a 10-12 pt a game guy with 6 to 8 boards this year... I didn't think that'd have been asking too much without Gabe... But he's just not capable of it.
Fryowa
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That is easily one of the most delusional things I've read on HN. There is no way that happens. Once again here's the Mitch King effect where tunnel-visioned Hawkeye fans make a player into a legend in their own minds and just assume that he'll flourish at the pro level.
Does AW help the Hawks? Sure. Is he one of the best 40-50 centers in the world (i.e. NBA material)? Not even close.
The NBA has started to realize that seven feet isn't some magical number, and even if it were, there are a few hundred of them out there to choose from.
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DDThompson
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Fail. you have to say it like the original post:
does anyone else think Baer hustles even more than White? The way he hustles he will bypass in one season more in hustle than White did in his career.
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Knight78
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Exactly. A role player who sets picks so that others are wide open to score, who is forces someone to make a bad pass that a teammate gets a steal on, who boxes out and a teammate crashes in front and gets a rebound... those kinds of things are NEVER going to be quantified by any statistic. Those are things Woody excels at.
Knight78
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Well, if you had told me in 1997 that Ryan Bowen would have a 10 year NBA career... I would have laughed at you. Bowen was more athletic but was also smaller; he was never a good shooter but was a scorer - garbage buckets and hustle scores. He was in the NBA for 10 years because he did the things Woody does - things that don't show up on stat sheets.
