Hope Ferentz doesn't do what Pinkel did

hogeye said:
In principle it would be nice if that's the way it worked, but reality is another story.
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I'm not sure what reality you're looking at, but perception is everything and JoePa's "good deeds" are never going to be listed as a "Yeah, but" by a HUGE majority of people who know of this scandal...

I can almost see it now...

Mom: Timmy, Joe Paterno helped build this library that you're reading your book in...

Timmy: -confused look of "who?"-

Mom: And if you were lucky enough back when it was built, his Defensive Coordinator wouldn't lead you to a shower and rape you! Cuz JoePa wouldn't do a darn thing about it...cept maybe let it happen again! :)
 
hogeye said:
I agree wholeheartedly with him that you can't place all of the blame on JoePa. That's an accurate statement.

To some degree he's right about JoePa's legacy. Where he is wrong is that there are people who can do that. There are many people who can diminish JoePa's legacy based on this one incident.

However, he's right from the perspective that his greatness of what he did do good won't go away. JoePa will always be involved in conversations about the history of college football and Penn State regardless of this incident. You can try to take away his wins and retrofit punishment, but it doesn't really erase what history.
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HawkeyeShane said:
Yes it does. You don't get credit for doing great things for 99 kids and then get to say "and I really feel badly for the one I let get a$$ raped by my D-coordinator"...JoePa=POS...end of story.
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Gotta agree with Shane here. JoePa was fully aware of what was going on with Sandusky and actively worked to cover up the rape of young boys so the scandal did not get in the way of restoring PSU to national champion status, building his lifetime W-L record or polishing his legacy. In the eyes of many people, that legacy is not only tarnished, it is demolished in pieces on the ground, well beyond repair.
 
tweeterhawk said:
Gotta agree with Shane here. JoePa was fully aware of what was going on with Sandusky and actively worked to cover up the rape of young boys so the scandal did not get in the way of restoring PSU to national champion status, building his lifetime W-L record or polishing his legacy. In the eyes of many people, that legacy is not only tarnished, it is demolished in pieces on the ground, well beyond repair.
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Again, I never contested this point. In fact, I specifically pointed out that was part of the flaw in Pinkel's statement.
 
tweeterhawk said:
This from Hawkfan340:

"We're just focused on our football team" or other such coachspeak will rule the day. Book it.
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Yes, yes. I was more focused on the poster who offered the lawyerly reply. 340's efforts are mucho appreciated.
 
hogeye said:
In principle it would be nice if that's the way it worked, but reality is another story.
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Yes, it does. If my kid was brutally raped by that monster after Paterno knew and allowed it to continue I certainly wouldn't care what "Good" things he might have done.
 
ThunderHawk said:
Two things:

I only know Ferentz in passing, but I know him enough to safely say that he views this Penn State atrocity with absolute disgust.

Second: He doesn't want to talk about it, and probably won't. If he pulls a Pinkel, I'd be stunned.

Anybody here think KF would say this?



Pinkel is an absolute slimeball POS. He's in the right conference, though.
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Am I the only one who thinks this quote is not that bad? Politically correct, perhaps not, but not terrible.
 
Joe Paterno made a mistake, a big one. I still think Paterno did a lot for Penn State, a lot for college football. He stood for everything that is right when it comes to college football.

Joe Paterno also enabled a child molester. There's no getting around it. He will always be known for enabling a child molester. His name is greatly tarnished. He will also still be known as a football legend. His harboring a child molester doesn't totally erase his college football track record.

Joe Paterno is a football legend who harbored a child molester.

Hitler was a great leader who killed millions. His killing of millions does not mean he wasn't a great leader even if he was leading people down a path to destruction.
 
TheOnePercent said:
Joe Paterno made a mistake, a big one. I still think Paterno did a lot for Penn State, a lot for college football. He stood for everything that is right when it comes to college football.
Joe Paterno also enabled a child molester. There's no getting around it. He will always be known for enabling a child molester. His name is greatly tarnished. He will also still be known as a football legend. His harboring a child molester doesn't totally erase his college football track record.

Joe Paterno is a football legend who harbored a child molester.

Hitler was a great leader who killed millions. His killing of millions does not mean he wasn't a great leader even if he was leading people down a path to destruction.
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I don't even think you can say the bolded anymore. At this point all Paterno is, was a good football coach who helped enabled a man to **** kids.
 
Can we stop referring to Sandusky as a child "molester"? Dude is/was a child rapist..."molester" makes it sound like he was copping a feel and as bad as that is, he was a thousand times worse than that...I know it's semantics and he's going to burn in hell anyway, but still...
 
hogeye said:
In principle it would be nice if that's the way it worked, but reality is another story.
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Um, TOTALLY WRONG.

A lifetime reputation can be crushed in a moment with a vile act.

That is exactly the case here.

Paterno won't be remembered for his wins. He's Chernobyl.
 
What an idiot. "You can't take away what he has done?" EXACTLY... he enabled a child abuser for an extended period of time. How the hell can you ever take that stain away?

Anything good Paterno has ever done, will always be tainted by the above. And the phrase "yes, but at what cost" will forever be attached to his achievements.
 
You guys can all sit there and pretend that what happened with Sandusky will be all that is ever talked about with JoePa, but you're mistaken. There are too many people that are apathetic to the situation. The same people criticizing me about pointing out that fact are the same ones whining in outrage in other threads about why Penn State can't get it right with the statue, whining about why public opinion polls aren't more decisively against JoePa and the list goes.

Keep peeing in the wind, but when this story is behind us there are many people in college football that will still talk about JoePa's coaching legacy at Penn State. This whole ordeal isn't going to magically make all that he did as a coach go away.
 
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