Hey Deace.....

1) Dean's original post on this was more about who HF / KF scheduled than about who they played. I know in my followup I said "played", but I didn't consider the situation your list highlights- clearly, KF would have had no input into the non-con schedule for his 1st years on the job (schedules being set years in advance), so 1999 & 2000 schedules would more realistically be attributed to HF, even though KF "played" them.

2) ASU (#18) and AZ (#24) were top-25, not top-10

So, KF has been part of scheduling 0 top-10's- less than you'd expect from random scheduling.

You're right, I missed that they weren't top 10, that's my bad. But that said, I really do still think that my main point stands, which is that you don't exactly expect to schedule more than one top ten team per decade, if even that. And since scheduling occurs roughly two to three or more years in advance, scheduling a top ten team isn't something you can do without a little guesswork. I would argue that having a series of home/home with Pitt and Arizona is a good faith effort to play teams who could be ranked (maybe not top ten). But another thing to think about is if you look at the way Iowa made #2 ranked PSU look, I can imagine a lot of potential top ten teams not wanting to get into that kind of fight. What's the saying? Never getting into a mud-wrestling match with a pig, the pig will enjoy it and you'll both get dirty?
 
What's the saying? Never getting into a mud-wrestling match with a pig, the pig will enjoy it and you'll both get dirty?
What? Never heard that and have no idea what it means- is that a Bielema t-shirt or something?

My point was never that the Hawks should be scheduling a bunch of top-10's. It was that Hayden played #1 and a few other top-10 games, plus several other big-names. His non-cons were tougher than KF's have been.

Tougher non-cons are more entertaining for the fans, and help to build the national profile (see Wisconsin).
 
What? Never heard that and have no idea what it means- is that a Bielema t-shirt or something?

My point was never that the Hawks should be scheduling a bunch of top-10's. It was that Hayden played #1 and a few other top-10 games, plus several other big-names. His non-cons were tougher than KF's have been.

Tougher non-cons are more entertaining for the fans, and help to build the national profile (see Wisconsin).

Fry's non con schedule over his final 10 years was cupcake city. Fry ushered in the era of cupcake city. In his last 10 years the only time Fry played a difficult non con. schedule ('92) Iowa went 5-7.
 
In his last 10 years the only time Fry played a difficult non con. schedule ('92) Iowa went 5-7.
So you're still not gonna acknowledge that they played at #10 Miami in '90? Or that doesn't count as difficult?

And, Arizona was a pretty damn good program in the 90's. Dick Tomey coached the "desert swarm". The team Iowa lost to early in '98 was #17 at the time, but they finished 12-1, #4
.
 
I don't even know what your point is anymore. If you could 100% guarantee that Iowa's success would go up with a new coach then by all means I'm all for it. However, you can't. Nobody can. Its all speculation. I'm just saying that the Ferentz era could have been a lot worse, and it could only have been slightly better. We could have been a Michigan State or a Wisconsin, we'll never be Ohio State or Oklahoma.

I'm a gambling man and the odds of a new coach turning in worse results are a lot better than rolling the dice and hoping it comes up a boxcar.
Sorry but your reasoning is flawed.
 
Fry's non con schedule over his final 10 years was cupcake city. Fry ushered in the era of cupcake city. In his last 10 years the only time Fry played a difficult non con. schedule ('92) Iowa went 5-7.
In the last ten years how many years has Iowa played two power five programs in the non con?
 
The argument goes like this:
Well Wisconsin has more resources
Missouri has more resources
Minnesota has more resources
Illinois has more resources
etc.
*****Resources = population (and sometimes no competing P5 school)*****

So why wasn't it mathematically impossible for Hayden to elevate Iowa above those schools?
Because you can overcome population; beaches; sunshine; competing P5 schools; ETC. - if you're head coach is a man, like JHF. Our head coach is a boy. And his number 1 accomplishment is convincing people that he has it harder than Hayden and shouldn't be expected to win more than 7 games per season. Considering he schedules 3 gimmes each year, we're paying him more than 1 million per respectable win.:eek:
 
The argument goes like this:
Well Wisconsin has more resources
Missouri has more resources
Minnesota has more resources
Illinois has more resources
etc.
*****Resources = population (and sometimes no competing P5 school)*****

So why wasn't it mathematically impossible for Hayden to elevate Iowa above those schools?
Because you can overcome population; beaches; sunshine; competing P5 schools; ETC. - if you're head coach is a man, like JHF. Our head coach is a boy. And his number 1 accomplishment is convincing people that he has it harder than Hayden and shouldn't be expected to win more than 7 games per season. Considering he schedules 3 gimmes each year, we're paying him more than 1 million per respectable win.:eek:

It's bogus. KSU for example. It's about excuses. It's a challenge. If we don't get top recruits it has more to do with O than X with X being location.
 
So you're still not gonna acknowledge that they played at #10 Miami in '90? Or that doesn't count as difficult?

And, Arizona was a pretty damn good program in the 90's. Dick Tomey coached the "desert swarm". The team Iowa lost to early in '98 was #17 at the time, but they finished 12-1, #4
.

Missed the '90 playing of Miami. Either way the point stands. Fry ushered in the Cupcake schedule. He scheduled an Oregon twice and an Arizona twice. Nothing different than scheduling a Arizona or Pitt now.

This was a huge departure from Fry's first 10 years. It was full of tough non conference games. There was a point where football changed, all schools (including Iowa) fell away from scheduling tough non conference games. This didn't start with KF, it started with Fry.
 
Do you? What's with all the Marxist salary-envy personal attacks in this thread? What's next? Charle Weiss fitness video series takes? We're already beating on people's gym hottie fantasies too. It's starting to sound like a Jim Rome show in here.

Hi,

My name's CincyHawk, and I have Wisconsin Envy. I envy that they have an offense and a defense. I envy that they win more games than Iowa in basketball and football. I would like to think that a simple change to the power-o based run game with motion out of the tight ends would put this team at that level with the line we have. I don't believe it is a huge change in offensive philosophy. I think not trying it means the coaches are stubborn. I'd also like to see Wadley lined up in space, and some more middle screens and slants against the blitz. I'd like to see us check into the quick slants when there are 8 men in the box, with Fant running one inside slant and Wadley running the other. If we occupy space the Lbs vacate, I think we'll move the ball more consistently. I also think the reason we haven't tried it is because our philosophy is to never change. That's not on the players.

I want improvement and not stagnation, and I don't care how we get it, within the rules of the game. Even Kirk is saying that we are not improving quickly enough. So, let's shake things up.

My criticism of the coaches lies in the fact that, although they do wonderful off the field things for the State of Iowa, what they do on offense for the excellent defensive players they recruit and develop is, to quote Jon, "criminal".

We're 90th in the country on offense. Trying anything else and failing will put us at what, 100th? If you aren't willing to risk change for improvement over that - you just aren't ready for the responsibility that's been handed to you.

Don't mind Deace. He is just salty because the best recruiter in the country can't run an offense without a backup Iowa QB.

Wow. That was...weird?
 
The argument goes like this:
Well Wisconsin has more resources
Missouri has more resources
Minnesota has more resources
Illinois has more resources
etc.
*****Resources = population (and sometimes no competing P5 school)*****

So why wasn't it mathematically impossible for Hayden to elevate Iowa above those schools?
Because you can overcome population; beaches; sunshine; competing P5 schools; ETC. - if you're head coach is a man, like JHF. Our head coach is a boy. And his number 1 accomplishment is convincing people that he has it harder than Hayden and shouldn't be expected to win more than 7 games per season. Considering he schedules 3 gimmes each year, we're paying him more than 1 million per respectable win.:eek:
Reading your posts only confirms your idiocy and fair weatherness as a fan. Earlier this year you were all pumped up about the team and gave us all these long, boring, incoherent, posts about how you were pumped up about this team, and Ferentz, and all “DA HORSES” and now you’re just jumping on whatever bandwagon is convenient.

What a bunch of drivel.
 
OK, here we go.
Colorado 8-4
#3 Miami
#1 Miami
#10 Co
#11 Oregon
AZ x2

All in last 10 year NC. Dean...Dean... Dean....

Nice try. First of all Fry played Miami twice and Colorado once (the other time was '88 and I didn't go back 11 years). Yes, playing Miami was tough, and I gave him credit for that in '90 and '92. Scheduling Oregon was trying to schedule a patsy. The previous 3 years before playing Oregon they were 3-8, 6-6, 5-6. Then the year Iowa played them, they had a good year. That wasn't trying to schedule some tough opponent, they just happened to be good is all that year.

’89 Oregon, ISU, Tulsa
’90 good schedule
’91 Hawaii, ISU, Northern Ill.
’92 good schedule
’93 Tulsa, ISU, Northern Ill
’94 Central Michigan, ISU, Oregon
’95 UNI, ISU, New Mexico St.
’96 Arizona, ISU, Tulsa
’97 UNI, Tulsa, ISU
’98 Central Michigan, ISU, Arizona

The last 10 years of Fry he had 8 schedules that paved the way for what KF does now. He plays ISU + one P5. 8 out of 10 years is a vast majority and pointing to 2 games doesn’t change that.
 
Kind of a brash statement, but didn't that happen already with Barta's diagnosis with cancer? Hasn't he stepped aside for a while and let Burke take over?

Ugh. Forgot about that, and it is insensitive to talk about on the field performance in the face of cancer. I hope he beats it, he's done very nice things for the athletic facilities and venues at Iowa, and he comes across as a good man.
 
I'm pretty sure Hayden had it harder to establish Iowa Football and I will admit as much as I get frustrated with KF he has done good things for Iowa FB. Fry just came in with the no nonsense, no BS Marine Corps attitude that failure wasn't an option. I will admit at this point if KF was fired today do any of us have the confidence in the AD to hire someone who could do better or would it sink lower to where we're hoping we can just beat Ill occasionally? I wish I had the answers.....
 
Nice try. First of all Fry played Miami twice and Colorado once (the other time was '88 and I didn't go back 11 years). Yes, playing Miami was tough, and I gave him credit for that in '90 and '92. Scheduling Oregon was trying to schedule a patsy. The previous 3 years before playing Oregon they were 3-8, 6-6, 5-6. Then the year Iowa played them, they had a good year. That wasn't trying to schedule some tough opponent, they just happened to be good is all that year.

’89 Oregon, ISU, Tulsa
’90 good schedule
’91 Hawaii, ISU, Northern Ill.
’92 good schedule
’93 Tulsa, ISU, Northern Ill
’94 Central Michigan, ISU, Oregon
’95 UNI, ISU, New Mexico St.
’96 Arizona, ISU, Tulsa
’97 UNI, Tulsa, ISU
’98 Central Michigan, ISU, Arizona

The last 10 years of Fry he had 8 schedules that paved the way for what KF does now. He plays ISU + one P5. 8 out of 10 years is a vast majority and pointing to 2 games doesn’t change that.

First, I congratulate the thought out respectful post.

My bad on 88. Guilty.

I don't disagree a lot here. Don't think you'll get much traction defending KF by dissing HF. UNI, ISU (the other one) and NDSU are missing from KF's. That said, KState was an attempt at a cupcake and it backfired. Going to Hawaii isn't easy.

To digress a bit, I think HF and KF have a lot in common and a lot different. The main diff is that HF was a marketer. He pumped Iowa and the program. KF is a bit of the donkey on Peanuts. HF usually didn't run into brick walls. He was stubborn such as the shoe/injury fiasco at Tulsa.. KF is stubborn on a whole different level.

KF gets his conservative roots with HF. It oft looked different. Shuffle passes on 3rd and long. 3rd down draw plays and so on. Both liked the run as a first option, but HF used it more later and KF earlier on more on first down. Haven't looked it up but I"d guess HF had a much more consistent running game. HF if I remember seldom avoided the top teams of the conference (scheduling by the Big). Iowa beating OSU in 02 and 0 whatever it was is iffy at best. Both (my opinion) didn't always play the best QB (my opinion) with Long/Vlasic, but either were great choices.

Both loved to go conservative late in games (HF with leads and close), KF most always. HF's prevent defense (bend) prevented a number of wins. Both were creatures of habit. In my opinion, some of Fry's clobberings in the RB were from predictability. He created an image of not being predictable, but in fact he was (just not as much as KF). Long layoffs gave the RB opponents plenty of time to develop a strategy. That was a bigger problem than Ronnie H. Big Ten teams tended to do the same things as well. Pac 10 didn't.
 

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