Here's How the Players Feel When They Lose...

[HuckFinn]

An inconsistent team at this point of the season. Without 2 miracle wins we are nothing more than a bubble team.
Is it me or did that last drawn up play look like one we see failed by Mike Gesell for 4 consecutive years....might want to look around ...on the film you see 2 guys were wide open for dunks on that forced 25 foot shot.Common sense does not fit into this teams chemistry.

Hey, thank you so much for your great analysis! You are indeed a breath of fresh air on this thread! (20-6)

 

[InGoodCo]

Hey, thank you so much for your great analysis! You are indeed a breath of fresh air on this thread! (20-6)

Again, IMO - these kind of things just don't scream inconsistent or poor play to me.

 

[HuckFinn]

Again, IMO - these kind of things just don't scream inconsistent or poor play to me.

Sarcasm alert.

 

[karras]

It's a loss, not the end of the world. They didn't play well enough to win....but still were in position to win at the end. That's gonna happen in a 31 game season. The fact that they don't wilt is very encouraging to me and speaks volumes to the chemistry of this team. I love this team. Are they all time great @ Iowa? I don't know. I personally think it's Fran's best team. But that's just my opinion. They have already performed so far over my expectations that everything from here on out is gravy. Of course I want more, but of course when you play a quality opponent and spot light is on, you don't play as well. That's every team in the country when they are playing quality opponents. Let's not act like this team didn't hand Michigan its 2nd loss of the season under the spotlight less than 20 days ago. Good teams lose, ask @BryceC

Not to be overly harsh or snowflakey, and you're in good company with millions of other netizens. But can we get rid of the "not the end of the world" trope. I get it, it's an expression. Probably the dumbest expression homo sapiens have ever come up with. Nobody in this galaxy thinks that losing a basketball game signals the end of the world.
Thanx for your kind adherence to this new policy.

 

[NikeHawk21]

Indiana game is important to keep us in the 6 seed or higher talk, but I don't agree that the team has been playing poorly lately. They shot poorly last night, had some sloppy TO's but IMO - the effort and D was there. Sometimes, the ball doesn't go in. IMO that's gonna happen when you play upper tier teams, or at least, it happens to MOST teams when they play upper tier teams.

Iowa is 9-3 in their last 12 after starting conference play 0-3 - think about that. Is 9-3 in what people are saying is either the #1 or #2 conference in the country "poor play" as of late? IMO, and I think most would say that they are playing as well as any team in the country over the last month and a half. That said, I know what you mean - the last second shots could have went either way - but those are common end of game scenario's for good teams. You steal a few that you don't normally. I too am concerned about the turnovers, but most of them don't bother me unless it's MD or Kriener - because to me, they seem to turn the ball over at a higher rate then most considering their minutes.

When I say as of late I’m talking about the last three games. Again we have 40 turnovers in those three games (13.333/game). We are shooting 42% from the floor in those 3. Not good.

I see you mention our defense being good last night. I would disagreed on that. I saw a stat that Maryland started 0-6 on 3 and shot 55% from 3 after that. Most of those were wide open looks. We did a decent job on Bruno inside and forced some turnovers but overall I wouldn’t consider that great defense.

Again I’m not saying we are screwed just that we haven’t played well these last few games and need to get back on track.

 

[WindsorHawk]

Back when Iowa was 0-3 and I predicted 12-8 more than a couple posters were calling me out. But IIRC everyone said they would take 12-8 if offered. Well that’s most likely the floor at this point. We could still be 14-6 which would be an outstanding year in this year’s Big 10. I think 13-7 is the most likely outcome...and still an outstanding year to me.

 

[InGoodCo]

Not to be overly harsh or snowflakey, and you're in good company with millions of other netizens. But can we get rid of the "not the end of the world" trope. I get it, it's an expression. Probably the dumbest expression homo sapiens have ever come up with. Nobody in this galaxy thinks that losing a basketball game signals the end of the world.
Thanx for your kind adherence to this new policy.

sure, it was just a figure of speech. I never really thought about it.

 

[InGoodCo]

When I say as of late I’m talking about the last three games. Again we have 40 turnovers in those three games (13.333/game). We are shooting 42% from the floor in those 3. Not good.

I see you mention our defense being good last night. I would disagreed on that. I saw a stat that Maryland started 0-6 on 3 and shot 55% from 3 after that. Most of those were wide open looks. We did a decent job on Bruno inside and forced some turnovers but overall I wouldn’t consider that great defense.

Again I’m not saying we are screwed just that we haven’t played well these last few games and need to get back on track.

We're gonna agree to disagree on the D then - Iowa help a top 20 Offensive team to 65 points and almost 8 points below their average last night. Other teams are going to score and get open shots, Maryland does it as well as anyone. I think there were at least 3 shot clock violations last night - maybe more, not sure if that's a stat that is easy to look up.

I agree, we have not shot it well and been turning it over over the last 3 - we're also 2-1.

 

[WindsorHawk]

We're gonna agree to disagree on the D then - Iowa help a top 20 Offensive team to 65 points and almost 8 points below their average last night. Other teams are going to score and get open shots, Maryland does it as well as anyone. I think there were at least 3 shot clock violations last night - maybe more, not sure if that's a stat that is easy to look up.

I agree, we have not shot it well and been turning it over over the last 3 - we're also 2-1.

Bad teams...like Iowa last year...go 0-3 when they play poorly 3 consecutive games. Good teams...like Iowa this year...find a way to go 2-1 and almost 3-0.

Now it’s time to start fixing things and getting back in a groove. The ultimate goal IMO is to be peaking on March 21st.

 

[NikeHawk21]

We're gonna agree to disagree on the D then - Iowa help a top 20 Offensive team to 65 points and almost 8 points below their average last night. Other teams are going to score and get open shots, Maryland does it as well as anyone. I think there were at least 3 shot clock violations last night - maybe more, not sure if that's a stat that is easy to look up.

I agree, we have not shot it well and been turning it over over the last 3 - we're also 2-1.

I think our defense was enough for us to win the game if we played good offense, but I don’t think the defense was “good”

Maryland only averages 72.5/game and that includes all the non conference drubbings. In their last four road games they were averaging 57. Maryland also didn’t get to play their second best offense player many minutes due to foul trouble.

Again defense didn’t cost us in this one, but I don’t feel like they were good.

 

[SpiderRico]

I think our defense was enough for us to win the game if we played good offense, but I don’t think the defense was “good”

Maryland only averages 72.5/game and that includes all the non conference drubbings. In their last four road games they were averaging 57. Maryland also didn’t get to play their second best offense player many minutes due to foul trouble.

Again defense didn’t cost us in this one, but I don’t feel like they were good.

Maryland is in the Top 25 of offensive efficiency teams in the country (with the 18th toughest schedule in the country). We made them anything but efficient. They were barely 40% from the field, we limited their offensive rebounding (except, of course, for the one that really mattered) and turned them over quite a bit. So I would quantify our defense against them as good....

 

[InGoodCo]

Maryland is in the Top 25 of offensive efficiency teams in the country (with the 18th toughest schedule in the country). We made them anything but efficient. They were barely 40% from the field, we limited their offensive rebounding (except, of course, for the one that really mattered) and turned them over quite a bit. So I would quantify our defense against them as good....

amen - it gets awful cloudy and dusty on message boards after a loss.

 

[Ree4]

Not to be overly harsh or snowflakey, and you're in good company with millions of other netizens. But can we get rid of the "not the end of the world" trope. I get it, it's an expression. Probably the dumbest expression homo sapiens have ever come up with. Nobody in this galaxy thinks that losing a basketball game signals the end of the world.
Thanx for your kind adherence to this new policy.

At the end of the day, everything happens for a reason

 

[PCHawk]

With the play in games isn’t there like 68 to 70 teams that can say they got to play in the NCAA? That’s like bragging about playing is the frozen bowl in New York City. In other word s it’s nice to get to the tourney but one and done is nothing to crow about. When it becomes your pride and joy just to get to the tourney for a university laced with the money, facilities, and fan base Iowa has THEN there is a serious problem with your program.

Quite a few of those spots are locked up to small conference schools. If the top 68 teams made it, I would agree that it wouldn't be a big deal.

 

[BigD]

Quite a few of those spots are locked up to small conference schools. If the top 68 teams made it, I would agree that it wouldn't be a big deal.

Yeah I know they want to include some of the smaller conference schools. That also helps get many teams past the first round. Unless of course your name is Steve and your second in the B1G conference team get beat by a nobody.

 

[NikeHawk21]

Maryland is in the Top 25 of offensive efficiency teams in the country (with the 18th toughest schedule in the country). We made them anything but efficient. They were barely 40% from the field, we limited their offensive rebounding (except, of course, for the one that really mattered) and turned them over quite a bit. So I would quantify our defense against them as good....

amen - it gets awful cloudy and dusty on message boards after a loss.

Whoops I missed this post yesterday.

Limiting a team to 40% is good, but when a team makes 12 threes (Maryland’s season high) on 42% that’s not good. Maryland’s effective field goal percentage was 52.8%. For reference Michigan’s was 38.5% when Iowa beat them at Carver. Interesting enough Maryland’s Effective field goal percentage on the season is at 52.8%, and remember that includes all the non conference cream puffs. Iowa did do a good job of forcing turnovers that I agree with.

Another good advanced stat is Offensive rating or O Rating. 100 is average, and Maryland had a 100 O Rating on Tuesday. Again to reference the Michigan game they had an O Rating of 81.9, that’s good defense. Ohio State had an O Rating of 84.9 at Carver.

So as I noted in this thread on a few occasions, Iowa’s defense was okay, which on most nights gives us a chance to win with our offense. Unfortunately we had an off shooting night.

I hope that clears the clouds and dust for ingoodco on why I thought the defense was just okay Tuesday.

 

[PCHawk]

Whoops I missed this post yesterday.

Limiting a team to 40% is good, but when a team makes 12 threes (Maryland’s season high) on 42% that’s not good. Maryland’s effective field goal percentage was 52.8%. For reference Michigan’s was 38.5% when Iowa beat them at Carver. Interesting enough Maryland’s Effective field goal percentage on the season is at 52.8%, and remember that includes all the non conference cream puffs. Iowa did do a good job of forcing turnovers that I agree with.

Another good advanced stat is Offensive rating or O Rating. 100 is average, and Maryland had a 100 O Rating on Tuesday. Again to reference the Michigan game they had an O Rating of 81.9, that’s good defense. Ohio State had an O Rating of 84.9 at Carver.

So as I noted in this thread on a few occasions, Iowa’s defense was okay, which on most nights gives us a chance to win with our offense. Unfortunately we had an off shooting night.

I hope that clears the clouds and dust for ingoodco on why I thought the defense was just okay Tuesday.

It's funny how good defense has a lot to do with how the opponent is shooting the ball. Michigan was missing everything that night. I think our defense against Maryland was way better than it was against Michigan. the numbers don't agree because Maryland had a better shooting night.

 

[NikeHawk21]

It's funny how good defense has a lot to do with how the opponent is shooting the ball. Michigan was missing everything that night. I think our defense against Maryland was way better than it was against Michigan. the numbers don't agree because Maryland had a better shooting night.

That’s a fair point no question.

Did Maryland play good defense on us or did we just miss a ton we normally make and throw a bunch of bad passes? Probably a little of both.

I thought Iowa’s defense was really good for the first 5 minutes but after that they gave up way too many wide open threes. I never thought to myself wow Maryland is just making tough shots right now.

 

[InGoodCo]

Whoops I missed this post yesterday.

Limiting a team to 40% is good, but when a team makes 12 threes (Maryland’s season high) on 42% that’s not good. Maryland’s effective field goal percentage was 52.8%. For reference Michigan’s was 38.5% when Iowa beat them at Carver. Interesting enough Maryland’s Effective field goal percentage on the season is at 52.8%, and remember that includes all the non conference cream puffs. Iowa did do a good job of forcing turnovers that I agree with.

Another good advanced stat is Offensive rating or O Rating. 100 is average, and Maryland had a 100 O Rating on Tuesday. Again to reference the Michigan game they had an O Rating of 81.9, that’s good defense. Ohio State had an O Rating of 84.9 at Carver.

So as I noted in this thread on a few occasions, Iowa’s defense was okay, which on most nights gives us a chance to win with our offense. Unfortunately we had an off shooting night.

I hope that clears the clouds and dust for ingoodco on why I thought the defense was just okay Tuesday.

It doesn't clear up anything for me. I watch the games. I saw 3 or 4 TO's by Maryland due to shot clock violations. I saw several desperation shots with less than 5 on the shot clock go in. Those #'s mean virtually nothing to me, nor do I care about them in even the slightest little bit. I don't care about per. I care about what I see with my eye balls and always will. My comment about it being dusty in here was also more directed at comments about "poor D, inconsistent team and suddenly not "all that" sentiment on a team that is 20-6 and been ranked in the top 25 for 95% of the season.

 

[NikeHawk21]

It doesn't clear up anything for me. I watch the games. I saw 3 or 4 TO's by Maryland due to shot clock violations. I saw several desperation shots with less than 5 on the shot clock go in. Those #'s mean virtually nothing to me, nor do I care about them in even the slightest little bit. I don't care about per. I care about what I see with my eye balls and always will. My comment about it being dusty in here was also more directed at comments about "poor D, inconsistent team and suddenly not "all that" sentiment on a team that is 20-6 and been ranked in the top 25 for 95% of the season.

Oh for sure. Some people were like the best we can do now is a 7 seed and all that. Which doesn’t seem to be accurate. Happens after every loss.

Really we didn’t play our best game and lost a close game to a pretty good team, there is no shame in that.

We saw a different game, as I saw numerous wide open 3 point shots, but that’s okay. I was just trying to back my thoughts up with stats.