BLKNGOLD48
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Exactly my thinking as well. That's why the Hoke is ****** that ND backed out playing Michigan is he uses that as a selling tool to recruits and who wouldn't.
Help me understand the $cheduing dilemma
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Exactly my thinking as well. That's why the Hoke is ****** that ND backed out playing Michigan is he uses that as a selling tool to recruits and who wouldn't.
AngelEyes
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Minnesota and Illinois have been "Scheduling up" for a few years. Where has that gotten them? Purdue was playing Oregon and Notre Dame a couple years back. How'd that work out?
The game is simple here: You only need SOS if you have a legitimate shot at the national championship, and Iowa WILL NEVER DO THIS. So what's the name of the game? Get wins, make money.
PJHawk
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Playing for a NC is unrealistic but playing for a Big Ten championship is not. Barta reiterates that in this quote from Rittenburg's Blog. AR also asks a valid question in "I'm not sure what playing Iowa State annually has to do with winning the Big Ten" - just another example of Barta being in over his head as AD of a BT institution:
"It's a good rivalry, it's good for college football, but the unique challenge is they're [Iowa State] not in our conference," Barta said Tuesday. "Our No. 1 goal is to win the Big Ten Conference and whatever beyond that. But because our in-state rival is there, it's great for the game, it's great for for the state, it just doesn’t apply toward that No. 1 goal of winning the Big Ten Conference, which is unique."
AngelEyes
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Your first paragraph does not agree with paragraph B.
STILLBUSTER
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Good point, for their case. However, those schools have never had the fan base, even in their better years, that Iowa has in it's mediocre / down years. Even more importantly, Iowa has tread in "national brand" territory before but has now become a has-been / afterthought. I'd argue, not because they were beaten by a "name brand" on a national stage, but because they struggle to bat .500 against weak competition.
You're spot on about the "make money" part. The "get W's" part is merely a hope. As a fan, that disappoints me that my team doesn't have the ambition to even strive for the next level; it's comfortable being a 2nd or 3rd tier program, as long as it's bottom line is black.
I just think that's a myopic recipe for ultimate failure. Sure you're making money, now but how far down into obscurity are you willing to let things slide before your irrelevence leads you into the red?
AngelEyes
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If you think Iowa has ever been in "National Brand" territory, you're either delusional, or have never lived outside of Iowa. National brands can suffer through a streak of disappointing seasons. Just in the past 15 years, USC, Alabama, ND, Michigan, Florida...they all went down but never lost their luster. Iowa will never have this luxury. They do not have to posture for national attention, because they will never get it.
GET WINS-MAKE MONEY
That's the name of the game.
FreedComanche
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As pessimistic as this sounds, it's true. And, yes I hate to say that.
It's very improbable for Iowa to ever compete for a Big Ten championship again (the way the conference is now), let alone be considered a national brand. I've always said that Iowa is similar to a K-State or Oregon before they got very good. Iowa will never have success like those two schools unless they get a very dynamic coach that takes risks. Kelly and Snyder are "one in a million" head coaches. Get a coach like that and you got a shot to compete for big ten titles every year and get good national exposure. But that's not likely to happen as there are very few coaches that can take a school like Iowa to extreme success.
FreedComanche
Hey, quit picking on us ..............
Barfknecht: Big Ten should wake up, cut out September snoozers - Omaha.com
Barfknecht: Big Ten should wake up, cut out September snoozers - Omaha.com
What would a Big8 reporter know about Iowa anyway ?
AngelEyes
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It is not pessimism, it is a clear reality that most can see, but few here acknowledge.
Also, Iowa is not a dynamic head coach away from being a national brand. Iowa is just Iowa. Kansas St. is not a national brand, they are just Kansas St. having a couple of good seasons. Oregon slowly morphed into a national brand in part because of their coach, but also in par that they have a billionaire patron who has buoyed them in ways most programs could never fathom.
eveningnewsteam
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Nobody is asking Iowa to be Alabama, USC, Michigan, etc.............That will never happen. Kirk Ferentz results and his contract defy all logic to anyone that isnt a Kirk Ferentz homer. All Iowa fans ask is to not lose at HOME to Western Michigan and Central Michigan. Beat pathetic Minnesota teams, instead of losing 2 years in a row up there. Not losing at home or on the road to Indiana. Not be 6-9 vs Iowa State. Just beat the teams you should beat!!!!!!!! With the amount of $$$$, fan support, alumni support, resources, etc......... pumped into that football program, this isnt to much to ask for Iowa.
SmokeTownHawk
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Dilemma? Did someone hold an umbrella for KF?
ColoradoHAWKEYE
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No ****! This....i'm thinking some of you are actually making sense...it would beheave us to move beyond tje uni's of the world if we want to achieve and maintain a better qualitu program. I think we have scheduled well in the past, but I dont think barta has done so well in "his" non-conf gets, and a some of you have indicated, that may well be another reason why we have spiraled down to where we are today.
The isu game is fine, and as shane said above, there maybe some outside pressure to keep it in tack. It would be good if maybe they could schedule and play 2 years on and 2 years off. But, they may need to eliminate the 7 home game plan from their thinking, and financially compensate in a different way. One way of such is playing some teir 1 programs...the delemna of course is finding a school that is high profile, but that also wants to give up that 7th home game and play away in iowa city.
But more than anything, we just need to take care of the games we are supposed to win (and get back to doing it soundly).
deanvogs
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I am not sure why anyone is saying or even thinking that we should go below 7 home games a year. The budget is set up with 7 home games in mind. Also remember that football revenue pretty much pays for all the non revenue sports. Plus all of the money that come into IC on a game day is quit considerable, and local business would not like losing one of their most lucrative days.
I guess in the end why leave millions on the table to play 11 BCS conference opponents, when every other program in the country is playing 10 tops, with lots of teams playing 9 BCS opponents? It would be suicide.
I guess in the end why leave millions on the table to play 11 BCS conference opponents, when every other program in the country is playing 10 tops, with lots of teams playing 9 BCS opponents? It would be suicide.
AngelEyes
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This rant, while mostly accurate, has no bearing on the discussion we're having, which is about scheduling, not how much KF sucks. This thread is about scheduling, not about how much KF sucks. Please reference you comments to one of the other 6000 KF sucks threads please.
tubahawk
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Point of clarification;
Who determines the schedule? Ultimately I understand the AD does this, but I look at the Basketball team and they've upped their strength of schedule for next year (I assume because Fran wanted too).
Is the football scheduling debacle Barta trying to keep the finances flowing or KF's wishes? Granted there is probably an element of both at play, but if KF went to Barta and asked for a tougher non-conference I would think he would get it.
I'm not sure this is squarely on the shoulders of Barta.
Who determines the schedule? Ultimately I understand the AD does this, but I look at the Basketball team and they've upped their strength of schedule for next year (I assume because Fran wanted too).
Is the football scheduling debacle Barta trying to keep the finances flowing or KF's wishes? Granted there is probably an element of both at play, but if KF went to Barta and asked for a tougher non-conference I would think he would get it.
I'm not sure this is squarely on the shoulders of Barta.
Eda
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Agreed. It seems that some are very willing to just toss a home game away like it ain't no thang. And for what? So we can go play a top tier school and pad their athletic department?
I don't think many realize that the budget for the athletic department is huge ($85 million, this year alone), and the millions a home game generates is critical to the financial stability of the department.
hawkeyebob62
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In addition to that, a lot of teams won't even do home-and-home, just one-sided or home-and-neutral (much like we have done with NIU).
And we HAVE had several "high-profile" teams back out. Miami/FL in the 1980s and Missouri in the mid-2000s come to mind.
